leveling black mage is fun.

[Alleya]

iI have also done burn pt's as melee and it is 10834587432 easier, all you do is engage and spam your WS's. If you find the mages on your server unacceptable, lvl it yourselves and stop your bitching. I see only a few here that are entitled to bitch because they have lvl'd these jobs. Bottom line is that melee are easy mindless jobs to do in these pt's.

Maybe if you suck at it, like most melees do.

Yes I do have a mage job, and I have played it in many burn parties. (I went 65-70 in thickets with everyone else 75)

Melees who just engage and WS are the ones who suck at it. There's a lot more responsibility than mages want to admit, namely, keeping them alive so they don't bitch quite as much. Staying on top of provoke and being aware of what the mages are doing/not doing at all times is more work than most people realize, and what most people don't actually do. A good melee has to pay just as much attention as a mage and be as active in keeping the exp flowing.

[Yeargdribble]

I personally prefer /NIN in U. Range PTs because Demons are fast and hit hard. I like /RDM for Mamool SP and Caedarva PTs most though. What people fail to realize is that if I'm spending that much time curing the PT is a failure and we're not gonna get any decent chains. Sure a Curaga here and there is nice but in general I don't have time.

Going off of what Geno was saying. If I don't even have time to sing 2xBallad I really don't that that much time for Curaga and in a really smooth PT I shouldn't need to cast it anyway.

[Awoir]

i agree that so many rdm and bards are shitty, but i notice a good portion of the people complaining are melee I rarley play my rdm, and when i do it is for burn pt's, and after awhile you start burning out because it is high paced and you have many responsibilities at the same time. I have also done burn pt's as melee and it is 10834587432 easier, all you do is engage and spam your WS's. If you find the mages on your server unacceptable, lvl it yourselves and stop your bitching. I see only a few here that are entitled to bitch because they have lvl'd these jobs. Bottom line is that melee are easy mindless jobs to do in these pt's.

One last thing, i am a good rdm, and when i do my burn pt's ppl are always hasted, status effects are always gone, and ppl always live. Just had to get the "you probably suck as rdm" argument out of the way.

MNK was my first job to 75. In KRT PTs I would always bitch about crappy BRDs. Then Russta (Who has BRD and MNK at 75, along with god knows how many other jobs) told me that I shouldn't bitch about it till I learn how hard it is. Well I kinda shrugged it off at first, then thought about it and realized how true it was. I leveld BRD to 75, and now most of my meleeburns I'm the BRD, because 1) My MNK is gimp, and 2) I don't like most other BRDs in meleeburns (So many do 2 minuet, min+march is better).

[Viq]

i agree that so many rdm and bards are shitty, but i notice a good portion of the people complaining are melee I rarley play my rdm, and when i do it is for burn pt's, and after awhile you start burning out because it is high paced and you have many responsibilities at the same time. I have also done burn pt's as melee and it is 10834587432 easier, all you do is engage and spam your WS's. If you find the mages on your server unacceptable, lvl it yourselves and stop your bitching. I see only a few here that are entitled to bitch because they have lvl'd these jobs. Bottom line is that melee are easy mindless jobs to do in these pt's.

One last thing, i am a good rdm, and when i do my burn pt's ppl are always hasted, status effects are always gone, and ppl always live. Just had to get the "you probably suck as rdm" argument out of the way.

MNK was my first job to 75. In KRT PTs I would always bitch about crappy BRDs. Then Russta (Who has BRD and MNK at 75, along with god knows how many other jobs) told me that I shouldn't bitch about it till I learn how hard it is. Well I kinda shrugged it off at first, then thought about it and realized how true it was. I leveld BRD to 75, and now most of my meleeburns I'm the BRD, because 1) My MNK is gimp, and 2) I don't like most other BRDs in meleeburns (So many do 2 minuet, min+march is better).

After getting a decent supply of merits built up I started refusing KRT pts just because of how much harder they are than any other place for a BRD. I'll take an easier 8k/hr somewhere like U.range than suffer KRT for that extra 2-3k/hr. This was before ToA, of course. Who goes to KRT anymore, seriously?

[Mifaco]

Who goes to KRT anymore, seriously?

There was a time where I NPCed this scroll....

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/7938/img00298cs.png

[Toadicus]

Same thing happened to Gilgamesh (Bliz IV), but it's @350k.

[Awoir]

Yea, I got like 10 merits in thickets today (Trying to help a friend leech his SMN to 75). Just checked AH and Blizz 4 is 210k, might head back to KRT and log a few of my mules there, I don't care if I lose XP chain for a few mil.

[Yeargdribble]

MNK was my first job to 75. In KRT PTs I would always bitch about crappy BRDs. Then Russta (Who has BRD and MNK at 75, along with god knows how many other jobs) told me that I shouldn't bitch about it till I learn how hard it is. Well I kinda shrugged it off at first, then thought about it and realized how true it was. I leveld BRD to 75, and now most of my meleeburns I'm the BRD, because 1) My MNK is gimp, and 2) I don't like most other BRDs in meleeburns (So many do 2 minuet, min+march is better).

KRT so much more stressful than the new areas. People try to get me to go burn there and I just laught at them.

As for the bold part QFT! Now go along and tell all of your friends because I usually get something along the lines of, "2xMinuet plz... it's better than Minuet+March because it makes my e-Penis bigger... don't question me because you're just a BRD so what would you know about melee."

[DrObvious]

After getting a decent supply of merits built up I started refusing KRT pts just because of how much harder they are than any other place for a BRD. I'll take an easier 8k/hr somewhere like U.range than suffer KRT for that extra 2-3k/hr. This was before ToA, of course. Who goes to KRT anymore, seriously?

You can get higher than 11k/hr in U.range, you know.

[Elcura]

If krt isn't stressing you out you aren't hitting 10k+ an hour.

[Nix]

Who goes to KRT anymore, seriously?

There was a time where I NPCed this scroll....

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/7938/img00298cs.png

400k on Valefor, and 0 in stock.. always ;;

[Saphirea]

I can count the number of times I've gotten refresh from every RDM I've been in a party with on one hand. I guess RDMs don't like to refresh their BRDs.

Sad but true, I've gotten to realize that the 1mp refresh from sanction is worth my IS.

in a 2x brd 1rdm party lastnight, I was pulling and 2x minuet. The other bard was 2x march and ballad. There were quite a few times I had to go and ballad myself after pulls because the rdm didn't refresh me at all. And lets not get started on the concept of being hasted.

[Janeru]

I can count the number of times I've gotten refresh from every RDM I've been in a party with on one hand. I guess RDMs don't like to refresh their BRDs.

get refresh gear narblar

[Septimus]

I can count the number of times I've gotten refresh from every RDM I've been in a party with on one hand. I guess RDMs don't like to refresh their BRDs.

Sad but true, I've gotten to realize that the 1mp refresh from sanction is worth my IS.

in a 2x brd 1rdm party lastnight, I was pulling and 2x minuet. The other bard was 2x march and ballad. There were quite a few times I had to go and ballad myself after pulls because the rdm didn't refresh me at all. And lets not get started on the concept of being hasted.

A lot of RDMs get into the habit of not refreshing bards because there are plenty of Bards who do not believe in using MP for anything other than stoneskin. I have no trouble casting Refresh on a BRD as long as they are going to make use of the 150 MP that they get from my 40MP.

[Daahan]

I can count the number of times I've gotten refresh from every RDM I've been in a party with on one hand. I guess RDMs don't like to refresh their BRDs.

Sad but true, I've gotten to realize that the 1mp refresh from sanction is worth my IS.

in a 2x brd 1rdm party lastnight, I was pulling and 2x minuet. The other bard was 2x march and ballad. There were quite a few times I had to go and ballad myself after pulls because the rdm didn't refresh me at all. And lets not get started on the concept of being hasted.

A lot of RDMs get into the habit of not refreshing bards because there are plenty of Bards who do not believe in using MP for anything other than stoneskin. I have no trouble casting Refresh on a BRD as long as they are going to make use of the 150 MP that they get from my 40MP.

[Lordwafik]

In parties, I do not initially count the bard as part of my refresh cycle untill a few fights in. When I see their MP dip, check the chatlog and see them curing or stoneskinning or whatever, then by all means you deserve refresh like everyone else.

Otherwise, dont even think of complaining.



There's a moron RMT'ing bard on asura who loves going brd/nin to everywhere he goes. I can understand sky decos, but in the thickets is a bit dumb, considering most of the time the mobs pop right near your camp, if not, stoneskin/blink will leave you with more HP than a puk or a mamool who double attacks you on the way.
Anyway, this peice of trash bard ALWAYS manages to keep up double minuet constantly, but NEVER manages to keeps ballad up "Because I need to keep pulling". Yeah ok, the party is melee x4, rdm/whm, and brd/nin. I was the sole healer for 6 people, including myself, the bard was constantly half HP , and I had to curebomb people with cure4's, eating my MP (and im sure I sound like a broken record when I say RDM has the smallest mage MP pool).
Nobody i've partied with likes him, alot of the time when there are no bards but him lfg, they're like "Ugh, are you guys sure you want a bard? the only one lfg is _ _ _." I'm just happy he's built up such a horrid reputation ^_^. We got more xp/hr when we decided to make a war pull and replace him for a whm. So many people died due to lack of refresh.

Hint to morons: If you do not ballad the mages, your party will get owned. Now I dont mind getting skipped a ballad here and there due to a longer pull, but when you got 5 pulls without ballad, while the bard is spamming minuet x2, I will have a vagina sandier than Agatha Trunchbull.

[Don Katsu]

Don't worry, once you get 70ish you'll get your payback.

No normal party will want you (this is the point where everyone changes to meleeburns) and no manaburn will want you (why take the non-75 blm when theres a 75BLM seeking).

You can always solo in sea.

BLM > Sea. I did this for four days 4-5 hours. 43k exp and about 40-44 organs 4 Luminian Tissue... heh

The crappy part is... you should be at least 73 for the Tiara (Enfeebling Magic Skill+10) as the Phuabo's sometimes resist sleep. I get resisted randomly on Phuabo even when I use Tiara, Enfeebling Torque, AF body and I even have merits in enfeebling magic skill. Might need the igquira legs =\

So yeah 70-73 is slow on BLM.

As for RDM refreshing Bard. I do this most the time. Most of the BRDs I party with use Dalmatica or V cloak which help decently with MP. I think it also depends on how often the BRD actually uses the MP they have. Much like Septimus said: they better make use of the 150mp they get from my 40.

[Lordwafik]

igquira legs are sex for enfeebling, paired with the rest, despite looking like something out of a swahili tribe, you get such high enfeebling boosts it's great.

[XxSlusherxx]

I can count the number of times I've gotten refresh from every RDM I've been in a party with on one hand. I guess RDMs don't like to refresh their BRDs.

Sad but true, I've gotten to realize that the 1mp refresh from sanction is worth my IS.

in a 2x brd 1rdm party lastnight, I was pulling and 2x minuet. The other bard was 2x march and ballad. There were quite a few times I had to go and ballad myself after pulls because the rdm didn't refresh me at all. And lets not get started on the concept of being hasted.

A lot of RDMs get into the habit of not refreshing bards because there are plenty of Bards who do not believe in using MP for anything other than stoneskin. I have no trouble casting Refresh on a BRD as long as they are going to make use of the 150 MP that they get from my 40MP.

I thought we covered this?

alot of the time when there are no bards but him lfg, they're like "Ugh, are you guys sure you want a bard? the only one lfg is _ _ _." I'm just happy he's built up such a horrid reputation ^_^.

sounds like a certian bard on Ragnarok.

[Daahan]

In parties, I do not initially count the bard as part of my refresh cycle untill a few fights in. When I see their MP dip, check the chatlog and see them curing or stoneskinning or whatever, then by all means you deserve refresh like everyone else.

Otherwise, dont even think of complaining.



There's a moron RMT'ing bard on asura who loves going brd/nin to everywhere he goes. I can understand sky decos, but in the thickets is a bit dumb, considering most of the time the mobs pop right near your camp, if not, stoneskin/blink will leave you with more HP than a puk or a mamool who double attacks you on the way.
Anyway, this peice of trash bard ALWAYS manages to keep up double minuet constantly, but NEVER manages to keeps ballad up "Because I need to keep pulling". Yeah ok, the party is melee x4, rdm/whm, and brd/nin. I was the sole healer for 6 people, including myself, the bard was constantly half HP , and I had to curebomb people with cure4's, eating my MP (and im sure I sound like a broken record when I say RDM has the smallest mage MP pool).
Nobody i've partied with likes him, alot of the time when there are no bards but him lfg, they're like "Ugh, are you guys sure you want a bard? the only one lfg is _ _ _." I'm just happy he's built up such a horrid reputation ^_^. We got more xp/hr when we decided to make a war pull and replace him for a whm. So many people died due to lack of refresh.

Hint to morons: If you do not ballad the mages, your party will get owned. Now I dont mind getting skipped a ballad here and there due to a longer pull, but when you got 5 pulls without ballad, while the bard is spamming minuet x2, I will have a vagina sandier than Agatha Trunchbull.

Thickets pulling is by far the easiest pulling out of almost all the burn pty camps in the game because chances are (when it's not overcamped which is like never these days), there will a mob at the doorstep of your camp.

Many people find NIN sub as the best for Thickets pty, and it is feasible but there are always times where your shadows can be unreliable. I still prefer either WHM or RDM(gasp) for that camp. I experimented with RDM sub there the other day and combined with Manteel and Rostrum Pumps
-spellcasting, pulling was a breeze. (Putting Phalanx up made a barely noticable difference) Also, when I got links and my HP went down etc I had MP to cure myself (WHM or RDM mp can often run out in thickets).

but anyway, BRD have no excuse to not ballad the mages. If you can't pull in a burn parties without giving both sections of your party their expected songs, then do not join a burn party until you are ready to do so.