Asuran Fists "stunning/canceling" mob WS...

[aurik]

btw: I could be wrong but Acid Bolts, Dia, Frightful Roar, and Spirit Surge Jump should stack IIRC. But SS is a huge def Down.

Which doesn't matter one bit when your attack is capped because of meat + berserk.

Well, why do you start doing 4 times when the snoll tzar use berserk? (500sidewinder -->2000sidewinder) It's most likely because its def was dropped >_>

Same goes in xp party end game. There is a difference between pure acc build, acc build + meat, atk build + meat, and atk build + meat+ atk song. Of course, you can "cap" atk when you go fight ronfaure bunny, but it's most likely not going to happen in a BC like this.

Sam/rng and Rng use sushi most likely, and the attack cap, pDIF cap, and pDIF formula for on ranged attacks is calculated differently.

[Jeryhn]

Spirit surge is simply not stronger than having a toon that can drop 3 raging rushes in 15 seconds.

What's a greataxe? Is it good to eat?

DRG may not be uberiffic, but its no slouch in the Snoll Tzar BC.

[aurik]

I've fought the BCNM over 10 times, FYI, and helped a whole lot of people get through chapter 5.

Spirit surge is simply not stronger than having a toon that can drop 3 raging rushes in 15 seconds. Stop being a fucktard.

Because you see how strong spirit surge is all the time right?

Actually yes I do. And it's not better than dealing up to 40% of the mob's life and securing hate for everyone else to go crazy.

[aurik]

Spirit surge is simply not stronger than having a toon that can drop 3 raging rushes in 15 seconds.

What's a greataxe? Is it good to eat?

DRG may not be uberiffic, but its no slouch in the Snoll Tzar BC.

I never said DRG was a slouch, DRG is pretty good. Maxx is saying DRG > WAR for the BCNM, and that's just fucking wrong.

[Jeryhn]

Spirit surge is simply not stronger than having a toon that can drop 3 raging rushes in 15 seconds.

What's a greataxe? Is it good to eat?

DRG may not be uberiffic, but its no slouch in the Snoll Tzar BC.

I never said DRG was a slouch, DRG is pretty good. Maxx is saying DRG > WAR for the BCNM, and that's just fucking wrong.

Of course it is. Maxx did say it, after all.

[cassiraa]

I never said DRG was a slouch, DRG is pretty good. Maxx is saying DRG > WAR for the BCNM, and that's just fucking wrong.

Well, I logged on, got a WAR and a DRG, a parser, a stopwatch, 6 people who hadn't done the BCNM, for 4 trial runs with various food and... no, wait. It's an easy-ass CoP BC that can be done with 4 people.

Anyways, Both work well and can wax the Tzar good. *shrug*

*nibbles on a Gre-a-tax, whatever that is*

[Wizerd]

Just for the record, Spirit Surge's defense down is far stronger than Frightful Roar or Acid Bolts, and Dia's defense down is relatively unnoticable (although there). Acid Bolts don't bring your damage on Animated Longsword from 30 per punch with sushi to 55-60 per punch. >.>

And with that, I'm jumping ship early from this thread because you're talking about Snoll Tzar, of which I have but 1 fight on where I died 5 seconds in and my team killed it.

/trala

[Kaylia]

btw: I could be wrong but Acid Bolts, Dia, Frightful Roar, and Spirit Surge Jump should stack IIRC. But SS is a huge def Down.

Which doesn't matter one bit when your attack is capped because of meat + berserk.

Well, why do you start doing 4 times when the snoll tzar use berserk? (500sidewinder -->2000sidewinder) It's most likely because its def was dropped >_>

Same goes in xp party end game. There is a difference between pure acc build, acc build + meat, atk build + meat, and atk build + meat+ atk song. Of course, you can "cap" atk when you go fight ronfaure bunny, but it's most likely not going to happen in a BC like this.

Sam/rng and Rng use sushi most likely, and the attack cap, pDIF cap, and pDIF formula for on ranged attacks is calculated differently.

I know they cap, but it wont happen there most likely unless the Tsar use Berserk.

Spirit surge is simply not stronger than having a toon that can drop 3 raging rushes in 15 seconds. Stop being a fucktard.

I'm gonna disagree again. Drg can easily land 2 WS with tp wing followed by jump. With spirit surge, they could make up for the dmg lost over a war. This BC is easy in both case, so i dont think it matter in the end.

[Koyangi]

btw: I could be wrong but Acid Bolts, Dia, Frightful Roar, and Spirit Surge Jump should stack IIRC. But SS is a huge def Down.

Which doesn't matter one bit when your attack is capped because of meat + berserk.

You honestly found out how much defense it has? For some reason I dont think you have done that many tzars.

Aurik lives in a perfect world where everything he fights, he meets the attack cap, he never misses, and is always right(and those around him obviously).

[aurik]

btw: I could be wrong but Acid Bolts, Dia, Frightful Roar, and Spirit Surge Jump should stack IIRC. But SS is a huge def Down.

Which doesn't matter one bit when your attack is capped because of meat + berserk.

Well, why do you start doing 4 times when the snoll tzar use berserk? (500sidewinder -->2000sidewinder) It's most likely because its def was dropped >_>

Same goes in xp party end game. There is a difference between pure acc build, acc build + meat, atk build + meat, and atk build + meat+ atk song. Of course, you can "cap" atk when you go fight ronfaure bunny, but it's most likely not going to happen in a BC like this.

Sam/rng and Rng use sushi most likely, and the attack cap, pDIF cap, and pDIF formula for on ranged attacks is calculated differently.

I know they cap, but it wont happen there most likely unless the Tsar use Berserk.

If you know that ranged attack damage is calculated in a much different manner, then why are you even bringing it up? It's like saying "hey drg > war because in world of warcraft...", it's completely irrelevant.

[quote:f71b4]Spirit surge is simply not stronger than having a toon that can drop 3 raging rushes in 15 seconds. Stop being a fucktard.

I'm gonna disagree again. Drg can easily land 2 WS with tp wing followed by jump. With spirit surge, they could make up for the dmg lost over a war. This BC is easy in both case, so i dont think it matter in the end.[/quote:f71b4]

2 Penta and jumps, even with surge, is never going to outdamage 3 MS rushes followed by MS gax crits.

[aurik]

btw: I could be wrong but Acid Bolts, Dia, Frightful Roar, and Spirit Surge Jump should stack IIRC. But SS is a huge def Down.

Which doesn't matter one bit when your attack is capped because of meat + berserk.

You honestly found out how much defense it has? For some reason I dont think you have done that many tzars.

Aurik lives in a perfect world where everything he fights, he meets the attack cap, he never misses, and is always right(and those around him obviously).

Have anything useful to say or are you just here to bash me?

[Kaylia]

If you know that ranged attack damage is calculated in a much different manner, then why are you even bringing it up? It's like saying "hey drg > war because in world of warcraft...", it's completely irrelevant.

>_> Okay, if my comparison with rng was so irrevelant, can you please tell me you won't notice an increase of dmg with warrior on Snoll Tzar when it uses berserk. You know as well as me that you don't reach the cap on this one, and spirit surge "will" increase its damage. By how much, only a good old parsing could tell, but it's not insignificant

[Raineer]

btw: I could be wrong but Acid Bolts, Dia, Frightful Roar, and Spirit Surge Jump should stack IIRC. But SS is a huge def Down.

Which doesn't matter one bit when your attack is capped because of meat + berserk.

You honestly found out how much defense it has? For some reason I dont think you have done that many tzars.

Aurik lives in a perfect world where everything he fights, he meets the attack cap, he never misses, and is always right(and those around him obviously).

Have anything useful to say or are you just here to bash me?

lol...

I like you aurik, but you have to admit that's exactly the point of 99% of your posts

we debated on tamas about how -3 enmity was worth picking the ring, then you say a MNK should have aqua because it doesn't matter

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

2 Penta and jumps, even with surge, is never going to outdamage 3 MS rushes followed by MS gax crits.

Wait a second, why the HELL do you think the DRG will get less WSes. And you dont even know how much spirit surge does.

[Koyangi]

btw: I could be wrong but Acid Bolts, Dia, Frightful Roar, and Spirit Surge Jump should stack IIRC. But SS is a huge def Down.

Which doesn't matter one bit when your attack is capped because of meat + berserk.

You honestly found out how much defense it has? For some reason I dont think you have done that many tzars.

Aurik lives in a perfect world where everything he fights, he meets the attack cap, he never misses, and is always right(and those around him obviously).

Have anything useful to say or are you just here to bash me?

Most of your posts tend to boast that that the world you live/play in is perfect, what works for you is the only way etc.

[aurik]

2 Penta and jumps, even with surge, is never going to outdamage 3 MS rushes followed by MS gax crits.

Wait a second, why the HELL do you think the DRG will get less WSes. And you dont even know how much spirit surge does.

Yes, I do know how much spirit surge does, I am in a limbus shell with a drg and I get to see it happen 3-4 times twice a week.

And DRG gets less WS because WAR can use wing gorget. Was already brought up earlier, please pay attention.

[shihei]

my post about the wyvern doing damage too was not read or whaaaaaat?!

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

2 Penta and jumps, even with surge, is never going to outdamage 3 MS rushes followed by MS gax crits.

Wait a second, why the HELL do you think the DRG will get less WSes. And you dont even know how much spirit surge does.

Yes, I do know how much spirit surge does, I am in a limbus shell with a drg and I get to see it happen 3-4 times twice a week.

And DRG gets less WS because WAR can use wing gorget. Was already brought up earlier, please pay attention.

Which isnt even a full 100 tp. Jumps give tp too did you know that omg. And if they time spirit surge right they can get a tp boost from it.

[Awoir]

2 Penta and jumps, even with surge, is never going to outdamage 3 MS rushes followed by MS gax crits.

Wait a second, why the HELL do you think the DRG will get less WSes. And you dont even know how much spirit surge does.

Was already posted before, DRG can't use this[/url]

[Kaylia]

my post about the wyvern doing damage too was not read or whaaaaaat?!

Misc fact about wyvern: It was the best dd in my valkurm dune party. sad but true. (I wasnt the drg)