Asuran Fists "stunning/canceling" mob WS...

[aurik]

[quote=Raineer]

btw: I could be wrong but Acid Bolts, Dia, Frightful Roar, and Spirit Surge Jump should stack IIRC. But SS is a huge def Down.

Which doesn't matter one bit when your attack is capped because of meat + berserk.

You honestly found out how much defense it has? For some reason I dont think you have done that many tzars.

Aurik lives in a perfect world where everything he fights, he meets the attack cap, he never misses, and is always right(and those around him obviously).

Have anything useful to say or are you just here to bash me?

lol...

I like you aurik, but you have to admit that's exactly the point of 99% of your posts

we debated on tamas about how -3 enmity was worth picking the ring, then you say a MNK should have aqua because it doesn't matter[/quote:2ad6b]

The difference between Koyangi's posts and mine is that I actually make a point with my posts -- for example, bringing up the fact that mnd+5 enmity -3 is strictly better than plain old mnd+5 for a mage -- whereas he simply bashes me. If he brought up some evidence that supported his opinions, or even voiced an opinion, this could be a constructive argument. But his posts are the equivalent of just retorting "Oh yea, well your MOTHER!".

Even this post has more constructive content than Koyangi's.

[aurik]

2 Penta and jumps, even with surge, is never going to outdamage 3 MS rushes followed by MS gax crits.

Wait a second, why the HELL do you think the DRG will get less WSes. And you dont even know how much spirit surge does.

Yes, I do know how much spirit surge does, I am in a limbus shell with a drg and I get to see it happen 3-4 times twice a week.

And DRG gets less WS because WAR can use wing gorget. Was already brought up earlier, please pay attention.

Which isnt even a full 100 tp. Jumps give tp too did you know that omg. And if they time spirit surge right they can get a tp boost from it.

Bring 5, stack em. It's sleep TP pre-60.

[aurik]

[quote=Koyangi]

btw: I could be wrong but Acid Bolts, Dia, Frightful Roar, and Spirit Surge Jump should stack IIRC. But SS is a huge def Down.

Which doesn't matter one bit when your attack is capped because of meat + berserk.

You honestly found out how much defense it has? For some reason I dont think you have done that many tzars.

Aurik lives in a perfect world where everything he fights, he meets the attack cap, he never misses, and is always right(and those around him obviously).

Have anything useful to say or are you just here to bash me?

Most of your posts tend to boast that that the world you live/play in is perfect, what works for you is the only way etc.[/quote:40e9a]

OK, but we're discussing here Maxx's claim that clearly DRG > WAR for Snoll, so what relevance does your bleeding vagina have?

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

2 Penta and jumps, even with surge, is never going to outdamage 3 MS rushes followed by MS gax crits.

Wait a second, why the HELL do you think the DRG will get less WSes. And you dont even know how much spirit surge does.

Yes, I do know how much spirit surge does, I am in a limbus shell with a drg and I get to see it happen 3-4 times twice a week.

And DRG gets less WS because WAR can use wing gorget. Was already brought up earlier, please pay attention.

Which isnt even a full 100 tp. Jumps give tp too did you know that omg. And if they time spirit surge right they can get a tp boost from it.

Bring 5, stack em. It's sleep TP pre-60.

Well if thats the make or break thing, I'd say DRK is best for this.

And for the record: I have never seen anybody wear or use a wing gorget.

[Krandor]

Inc DRK Derail courtesy of Maxx

[aurik]

[quote=Jooeetheplatypus]

2 Penta and jumps, even with surge, is never going to outdamage 3 MS rushes followed by MS gax crits.

Wait a second, why the HELL do you think the DRG will get less WSes. And you dont even know how much spirit surge does.

Yes, I do know how much spirit surge does, I am in a limbus shell with a drg and I get to see it happen 3-4 times twice a week.

And DRG gets less WS because WAR can use wing gorget. Was already brought up earlier, please pay attention.

Which isnt even a full 100 tp. Jumps give tp too did you know that omg. And if they time spirit surge right they can get a tp boost from it.

Bring 5, stack em. It's sleep TP pre-60.

Well if thats the make or break thing, I'd say DRK is best for this.[/quote:e8359]

We aren't discussing DRK, we're discussing your claim that DRG is clearly better than WAR for this BCNM. But by now you must realize that's a shaky claim and hard to back up with evidence, so by all means distract everyone with another argument so that you don't have to admit you're wrong.

PS. Drk is damn good in this BCNM.

[Koyangi]

[quote=aurik][quote=Raineer]

btw: I could be wrong but Acid Bolts, Dia, Frightful Roar, and Spirit Surge Jump should stack IIRC. But SS is a huge def Down.

Which doesn't matter one bit when your attack is capped because of meat + berserk.

You honestly found out how much defense it has? For some reason I dont think you have done that many tzars.

Aurik lives in a perfect world where everything he fights, he meets the attack cap, he never misses, and is always right(and those around him obviously).

Have anything useful to say or are you just here to bash me?

lol...

I like you aurik, but you have to admit that's exactly the point of 99% of your posts

we debated on tamas about how -3 enmity was worth picking the ring, then you say a MNK should have aqua because it doesn't matter[/quote:324b0]

The difference between Koyangi's posts and mine is that I actually make a point with my posts -- for example, bringing up the fact that mnd+5 enmity -3 is strictly better than plain old mnd+5 for a mage -- whereas he simply bashes me. If he brought up some evidence that supported his opinions, or even voiced an opinion, this could be a constructive argument. But his posts are the equivalent of just retorting "Oh yea, well your MOTHER!".

Even this post has more constructive content than Koyangi's.[/quote:324b0]
The point of my post wasn't about rajas vs tamas, it was pointing the exact point you're dodging, that any way but yours isn't the right way.
That's the content I chose to put in my post. It's not up to you to choose what I type about.

[Wizerd]

Hmm I think I'd have to say DRG looks tastier than WAR on the BC too. That gorget only means 1 more WS, where the jumps make up for at least half that. The wyvern makes up the lack of critical hits. And the extra damage done from other people in the group easily makes up for whatever is left. But again, I've never actually fought the thing. I do, however, know that when I did hit it like 4 times before dying, I was doing shit damage (with sushi), as were the other melee until it Berserked. Maybe they nerfed it since a year ago or so though, cuz this BC was deemed really hard back then. >_>;

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Inc DRK Derail courtesy of Maxx

whats funny is this thing was already derailed to hell. This was about WSes stunning spiders, not Snoll Tzar I'm honestly happy I have something to do while camping ulli.

[Khamsin]

But again, I've never actually fought the thing.

yet

I do, however, know that when I did hit it like 4 times before dying, I was doing shit damage (with sushi), as were the other melee until it Berserked.

?

Have you ever fought Snoll Tzar before or not?

[aurik]

[quote=Koyangi][quote=aurik][quote=Raineer]

btw: I could be wrong but Acid Bolts, Dia, Frightful Roar, and Spirit Surge Jump should stack IIRC. But SS is a huge def Down.

Which doesn't matter one bit when your attack is capped because of meat + berserk.

You honestly found out how much defense it has? For some reason I dont think you have done that many tzars.

Aurik lives in a perfect world where everything he fights, he meets the attack cap, he never misses, and is always right(and those around him obviously).

Have anything useful to say or are you just here to bash me?

lol...

I like you aurik, but you have to admit that's exactly the point of 99% of your posts

we debated on tamas about how -3 enmity was worth picking the ring, then you say a MNK should have aqua because it doesn't matter[/quote:b21d1]

The difference between Koyangi's posts and mine is that I actually make a point with my posts -- for example, bringing up the fact that mnd+5 enmity -3 is strictly better than plain old mnd+5 for a mage -- whereas he simply bashes me. If he brought up some evidence that supported his opinions, or even voiced an opinion, this could be a constructive argument. But his posts are the equivalent of just retorting "Oh yea, well your MOTHER!".

Even this post has more constructive content than Koyangi's.[/quote:b21d1]
The point of my post wasn't about rajas vs tamas, it was pointing the exact point you're dodging, that any way but yours isn't the right way.
That's the content I chose to put in my post. It's not up to you to choose what I type about.[/quote:b21d1]

There's a reason I'm often right, you know. It's because I listen to what other people say and when they have a convincing argument I change my opinion. So far, Maxx has totally failed to bring up a convincing argument why 2 pentas + surge + jump is clearly better than 3 MS Raging Rushes, so I don't see why you expect me to suddenly change my mind.

It's not up to me to choose what you post -- true! You could post porn or keylogged trojans here if you want (well until you get banned) but just because you post something doesn't mean you post something with value, and there are plenty of examples around of what happens to people who incessently post contentless trash.

[shihei]

one persons trash is another persons gold
god bless you, your going places
not sarcasm here either, you're smart

[Lordwafik]

Here's how I did this BCNM :

Mnk/nin + 5x blm

all blm have stoneskin/blink, mnk/nin engages tsaar to keep hate on him while he uses the time thingy, all blm are casting flare. You may or may not masturbate while doing this, because this is one awesome setup for this BC.

FUCK YOUR DRG AND WARS. 5 BLM + 1 hate holder > Snoll.

[Kaylia]

Or you could just take 1 single sam/rng and hope it berserk

[Nitecon]

It's all situational. Spirit Surge can be used to great effect depending on the setup you have for the BCNM.

My static took down Snoll with:

war/nin
sam/rng
loldrg/war <- Me
rdm/whm
whm/blm
blm/whm

1. WAR vokes it & BLM starts Flare
2. DRG 2hr + Jump
3. WAR fully buffs up TP wing + 2hr + WS
4. DRG TP wing + WS & SAM/RNG goes mental & RDM 2hr

During all that the BLM casts the next best fire spell after Flare goes off.

Rampage broke 1.2k easily, I some how penta'd for just over 900, the WARs MS hits were crit'ing from 125-140 a hit, SAM/RNG Sidewinders hit for 550-700, all before snoll even beserked up.

On a side note: The defence down from Spirit Surge is pretty insane.

I tested it out in the ENM40 at Pso'Xja where you fight the Diremite, regular DRG/WAR hits with sushi were 70-80, with 2hr and jump i was doing close to 120-130 a hit. Not sure if the Diremite has an equivalent move to berserk, need to confirm that.

Also, not entirely sure how long the effect lasts for, but even just to sub a DRG in for the defence down move will make any fight a lot quicker.


As always, what a Dragoon can do, another job can do better. Pretty much sums up the job, does not excel in anything. Nevertheless, I love the job, I have a linkshell that appreciates what I can do, not much more I can ask for. Plus there isn't really a hatred/dislike/disdain/loldrggimp mentalilty on Gilgamesh, or none that I have come across.

Healing Breath is the most MP efficient healing there is. Discuss.

[Khamsin]

Healing Breath is the most MP efficient healing there is. Discuss.

Except against Fafhogg and the wyrms.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Healing Breath is the most MP efficient healing there is. Discuss.

Except against Fafhogg and the wyrms.

Or anything where you want to top off HP past 50% or need fast healing or anything that spams AoEs

I like Healing Breath for fighting certain Exp mobs. If I was DRG I would love it solo. That's. It.