Tiamat / Cerberus random death and damage :(

[Ragnard]

Since TAU came out, during Cerb or Tia fights, we've been seeing some random deaths and damage taken, without anything in the chat log.

For example, a THF does a TA Sharkbite or something on a tank, and just dies. No damage in the log. No hate or hit or spell from Tia. Just random THF death. It doesn't happen all the time, but it happens often enough to start to wonder.

Or during Cerberus, a SAM will just randomly die, or drop to red HP. I think that happens after using a WS. Maybe Kurokikaze can post when it has happened to him, since I don't know exactly.

Anyone else seeing this phantom damage effect? It's not like it has been a gamebreaker for any of these fights, but it's just annoying to have someone without hate drop to the ground without any chat log record! Weird. Maybe there's a way to avoid it? :/

I looked for other threads about this, but I didn't find anything. If this is already a topic, could someone link me?

[Raineer]

People say it's counter.

[Vanostek]

it's happened to us with tiamat too. the counter dmg seems to not be a constant either. on my War/Thf i would be able to take 4 of these invisible hits. but 2 of our Sam/Thf died in one shot counter.

[Not Kuno]

They are emo and kill themselves.

[kisada]

this happens for us all the time for us with tiamat, but i've never noticed it with cerberus. i think the reasoning was that when tiamat tries to swing at a tank, it occasionally hits whomever is tricking him/her at the same time. there isn't really much you can do to avoid it, i don't think.

[Jeryhn]

I GUESS WE SHOULD JUST THROW MORE SUMMONERS AT THINGS THEN.

[aurik]

Happens on Genbu too.

[Ragnard]

Hmmm...
So it's suspected to be triggered by TA?

Did anyone see this before TAU? I don't think I did.

Also, shouldn't that damage be seen in the log still? @_@

So many questions! Seems weird though, and definitely not intentionally coded that way.

[Tilo]

It's been seen at Genbu and Tiamat before TAU I believe.

[Raineer]

It's been seen at Genbu and Tiamat before TAU I believe.

So have I, definately. Tanks don't notice it as much because they don't hit too much, definately noticeable by other melees.

[Kaziel]

First thing, we need to know if the SAM in the situation listed in the OP was /THF or not. If not, it immediately discounts TA. Another option is that it's a counter triggered by a crit hit.

[aurik]

The one at Genbu isn't triggered by TA, I don't think. Tanks have reported missing shadows and huge chunks of life where nobody was TAing them.

[McSpiffy]

Maybe I'm a noob, but this kinda thing happened 2 different times at 2 different KBs for me.

I was at the mouth of the lower left tunnel, KB was as far away as possible to the upper right of his area. I was raising a PLD, KB was being kited far away, and I just dropped dead. No damage, nothing. No one around me was hurt in any way, I just dropped dead and all chat had was me being defeated by KB. Couldn't get any explanation from anyone around. He hadn't done Meteor any time recently or near me at all.

The second time it happened, I was about max distance away to cast Elegy. His back was to me, front was facing our NIN. No Meteor, attacks or anything. Just got:

Deathonthesnow starts casting Elegy or whatever.
Deathonthesnow is defeated by the King Behemoth.
KB resists Elegy.

I guess that's what I get for wanting to cast Elegy for the hell of it. Lame.

[Koga]

Happened in Dynamis Once too >.> Was kiting a mob with full heath and Full Utususemi.. and then I Fell to the ground... no idea what happened. >.>;

[Jeryhn]

500 gil says it's GMs randomly using HP Debugs on players.

I mean, who wouldn't get a laugh of some random person dying to Genbu?

[Machazareel]

On Genbu it always seemed to be a counter without a log entry. I see the animation of him hitting me back, but nothing shows up, and I'm one shadow lower.
It got so annoying that I just started tanking with an earth staff, because a flurry of katana swings with haste and dual march could sometimes rip off my shadows right after I put them up. D:

[Tymon]

Genbu counter's alot.

Also I've noticed that the lower his hp gets, the harder he hits.

near the start he hits for like 150-200 with defender up and at the end he hits for like 500

I actually died once when I was at full HP (1800~) he double critical'd me for around 1000 of it, but I died. Counter for 1000 HP could KO a THF in some occasions, so that's probably the issue.

Also I've noticed he counters me more when a melee TA's on to me.

[kemigumi]

...gods do not counter, they attack anything standing in front of them.

[Tymon]

...gods do not counter, they attack anything standing in front of them.

You're either being sarcastic or have never fought genbu as a non-shadows job.

[kemigumi]

sorry, sarcasm is my forte