Defending Ring

[Aratharn]

NAs with dring on midgard:

Ethreal(lol)
Sanou
Hyjinx
Some PLD from old PD which dropped on one of their 2? kills who i think quit soon after =x.

Chronoh, I think.

JPs:

Micken/Zein w/e the fuck his name is now
Lei
Maris
Rixyuuga?
some mithra i think

havent seen any others around =x

Rixyuuga does have D.Ring and full Koenig, and Momiji is the mithra you're thinkin of. ;o

[Koyangi]

Did a little research for Siren #'s:
EC Before Splitting into NEC and Priceless and/or certain members who went to neither of them, gained 10, OO has 3, PL had a total of 12-13, and new EC has 10, so Siren has 25 D rings, all JP.

[Jazelon]

Did a little research for Siren #'s:
EC Before Splitting into NEC and Priceless and/or certain members who went to neither of them, gained 10, OO has 3, PL had a total of 12-13, and new EC has 10, so Siren has 25 D rings, all JP.

Nerf the JP on Siren;;

[Smartdrv]

Yeah no active NA's with D-rings on Lakshmi anymore, the previous leader of TheFallenAngels had the first.

The linkshell I'm in (SearchAndDestroy) holds the record for the most Defending Rings stolen from us I think, the first going to the NA that was previously mentioned. The second going to that noob JP with no Koenig in Jan. (they got m.legs that day also, something we had none of in the LS until about 3 weeks ago)

As a side note, they have played with abjuration drop rates a bit on Lakshmi. The rarest abjurations here have always been m.legs, m.feet and w.body. Then they bumped the rate up on feet and then on the legs. The others from my server that have posted here can contest to this. After their leader got the legs, it took practically a year for them to get another set. And I think they must have killed KB like 15 times in that span. After TFA's second more recent set another LS on our server got two in a row and then I finally got mine.

Similar story on the m.feet, I believe that after the TFA leader got (I heard there was a double drop) none dropped at all for a few months when a Paladin in a less active HNMLS got lucky. Then it was another few months at least before my linkshell got 3 in a row and TFA got a couple shortly after. Now they are dropping every second aspid pretty much and the one LS that has been the most active in camping it probably has like 6 of them.

Now the stats are probably a bit skewed as the JP's dont always reveal what they get, but on Lakshmi the HNMs are mostly NA dominated with one JP linkshell that goes after KB for ring and occasionally shows up at the odd other HQ.

[Angelsin]

Did a little research for Siren #'s:
EC Before Splitting into NEC and Priceless and/or certain members who went to neither of them, gained 10, OO has 3, PL had a total of 12-13, and new EC has 10, so Siren has 25 D rings, all JP.

Nerf the JP on Siren;;

NEC and PL were the ones that got their rings from the Earring glitch. Have 6 ppl that all have Pixie Earrings (or the whole ally - I forget which) kill KB and it forces the ring to drop.

[Toth]

I believe there are 5 Confirmed Defending Rings on Fairy:

NA: Truezero (PLD - very active)
Doshu (NIN lol - very active)
Whitesnake (PLD - very active)
Zenx (quit I think)

JP : Secure (botting GSelling LS owned BD for a long time before the nerf)

[Veli]

Is it me, or are JP just not caring enough anymore? On Ragnarok, it was uncommon to not see 2+ JP LS' at king camps in NA time. But now, its even uncommon for them to camp in their own time. JP have everything and just dont care anymore. NA are starting to catch up / pass the JP a lot now.

I think they JP stopped heavily camping around a year or so ago, and I noticed a huge turn around when SE implemented the way mobs are claimed after they pop. NA out claimed JP almost 90% of the time after that patch.

Meh, I dunno, just something I noticed, whether its correct or not.

LOL I see why they dont camp them anymore. I'm shocked that some NA LS on my server still camp them. NA might be pass jp now but i dont see jp shells with like 70 people in ls but i see that in alot of NA shells on my server. LOL I wish jp didnt care about crafting anymore.

[loial]

The second going to that noob JP with no Koenig in Jan.

Koenig is a requirement for defending ring? This is the second or third reply with "D.Ring went to somebody with no Koenig."

I assume you mean he only had Koenig head and hands? Honestly, people put too much value on the gear in this game. A PLD doesn't equip Koenig Body and gain the effect of Invincible. I can only think of 1 or 2 pieces of gear that actually have a profound effect on a LS's ability to kill end-game mobs. Koenig/D.Ring are not on that list.

So what does it matter if some PLD w/o full Koenig gets a D.Ring?

[Lockecole]

The second going to that noob JP with no Koenig in Jan.

Koenig is a requirement for defending ring? This is the second or third reply with "D.Ring went to somebody with no Koenig."

I assume you mean he only had Koenig head and hands? Honestly, people put too much value on the gear in this game. A PLD doesn't equip Koenig Body and gain the effect of Invincible. I can only think of 1 or 2 pieces of gear that actually have a profound effect on a LS's ability to kill end-game mobs. Koenig/D.Ring are not on that list.

So what does it matter if some PLD w/o full Koenig gets a D.Ring?

You havent put the time into king camps if you have no Koenig and a D.Ring, is basically what everyone is saying. YOU DONT DESERVE IT. Not to mention most people have key tanks that tank most things, and they should be the ones being decked out in the best gear.

[Asy]

Is it me, or are JP just not caring enough anymore? On Ragnarok, it was uncommon to not see 2+ JP LS' at king camps in NA time. But now, its even uncommon for them to camp in their own time. JP have everything and just dont care anymore. NA are starting to catch up / pass the JP a lot now.

I think they JP stopped heavily camping around a year or so ago, and I noticed a huge turn around when SE implemented the way mobs are claimed after they pop. NA out claimed JP almost 90% of the time after that patch.

Meh, I dunno, just something I noticed, whether its correct or not.

There's an LS on Fenrir which are maliciously known for having at least 15+ at any king camp. (The same LS Rora stated earlier that has 12 Defending Rings). In the past 5 Fafnirs, and 1 Nidhogg, I haven't seem them there once.

Doesn't really prove much, but it goes along with what you said.

Roranora wrote:
A single JP LS on Fenrir has 12 Defending Rings, and not thanks to the trick that was nerfed before it would be applicable to any of us. All of their KBs drop nothing or defending, as everyone has a Pixie, well over 40. Only 2 NAs have a ring, and, about that many other JPs outside of said LS.


quickshot has 14? dang lolol

and both na rings belong to omen Razz

Your reading comprehension fails.

I can't give an exact number (However, Rora would know if anyone), but 2 NA Rings, (Omen), Alot in QS (Thier Brd has one), and a few in other assorted shells. (Stupidmaker has one I believe, along with Kamikaze, who is ex-QS)

[Maguspk]

The second going to that noob JP with no Koenig in Jan.

Koenig is a requirement for defending ring? This is the second or third reply with "D.Ring went to somebody with no Koenig."

I assume you mean he only had Koenig head and hands? Honestly, people put too much value on the gear in this game. A PLD doesn't equip Koenig Body and gain the effect of Invincible. I can only think of 1 or 2 pieces of gear that actually have a profound effect on a LS's ability to kill end-game mobs. Koenig/D.Ring are not on that list.

So what does it matter if some PLD w/o full Koenig gets a D.Ring?

i loled

This is probably some idiot who got 75 more or less a month ago and just got into an "uber hnm ls" and thinks he understands the HNM scene. Srsly, if you're on Lakshmi, tell me your name so I can laugh at you everytime I see you.

Oh ya and btw, Lockecole hit the name on the head, both of his points were extremely valid. One, if you don't have koenig you don't deserve a D Ring really because you most likely haven't put in time. Also, like he said, a LS usually has a few tanks that they deck out. This is very true, our tanks are all decked out really, cept a few, but our main decked out one is Arturos. Why? Because he goes to almost everything and is an integral part of our HNM scene, so he naturally gets lots of the drops and thusly will eventually get a D ring. And surprise, surprise he has full koenig, actually full kaiser (cept head) my bad. But yeh, when you deserve a ring/get a ring, you more than likely have made a name for yourself and when you haven't and you get one, people don't really take lightly of it. I can cite at least 3 instances in which I've talked with people from other HNM linkshells about how they'd hate to see certain ls's on my server ever claim/kill a KB and get decent drops (i.e. Forsaken Hearts, Continuity etc.). In fact, they'd rather even see us, TFA, claim and get rather than them because they respect our members more, mostly due to the fact that we've been camping longer than most of them and we've put in our time on the HNM scene. So yeah.

[FFXIFlux]

i loled

This is probably some idiot who got 75 more or less a month ago and just got into an "uber hnm ls" and thinks he understands the HNM scene. Srsly, if you're on Lakshmi, tell me your name so I can laugh at you everytime I see you.

If you think the HNM scene in FFXI is anything more than a joke then the laugh is on you. 3 year king camps meant to be fought at level 70 without merits. Wheeee. FFXI hasn't had an endgame since Zilart.

[Dezzimal]

One, if you don't have koenig you don't deserve a D Ring really because you most likely haven't put in time.

I can definitely say that one, or even two of our tanks deserves a defending ring and do not have full koenig. We've had difficulty pulling HNMs at camps, but not for lack if time spent camping. A couple weeks ago we finally won the pull on a King Behemoth, we handled it like pros, and if a ring would have dropped the tank that would have gotten still uses AF1 body and he would have fully deserved it. We have a PLD with Aegis that is 3/5 Koenig as well, so you know we've put in the time with endgame activities.

I think any one of our paladins are more deserving than the people that got the most recent defending rings on our server and didn't even have PLD leveled. That has since changed and one of the PLDs dinged in to Koenig Body. /vent

[Maguspk]

One, if you don't have koenig you don't deserve a D Ring really because you most likely haven't put in time.

I can definitely say that one, or even two of our tanks deserves a defending ring and do not have full koenig. We've had difficulty pulling HNMs at camps, but not for lack if time spent camping. A couple weeks ago we finally won the pull on a King Behemoth, we handled it like pros, and if a ring would have dropped the tank that would have gotten still uses AF1 body and he would have fully deserved it. We have a PLD with Aegis that is 3/5 Koenig as well, so you know we've put in the time with endgame activities.

Well, yeh that's why the most likely modifier was in there. In your case I'm willing to wager you either have alot of PLDs in LS (like 4+), just like we do, and as a result not all of them can really get the best gear. I know that at least 2 of our active plds still use adaman, but if they came to a KB that dropped D ring and had tanked it, they'd prolly deserve a lot on it.

As for FFXIFlux, I don't understand what you're getting at? Fighting kings at lvl 70 with no merits wtf? I'm confused were you making a joke or poking at the fact that the kings are old and were fought like that?

[Toth]

If you think the HNM scene in FFXI is anything more than a joke then the laugh is on you. 3 year king camps meant to be fought at level 70 without merits. Wheeee. FFXI hasn't had an endgame since Zilart.

Wins the thread.

BTW What do you guys think of a NIN winning a D.Ring? I remember it was a source of controversy on our server when Doshu won one. However, that may do more to the fact that he is one of those types with a sour reputation, ie he has "I never die" in his search comment.

[Maguspk]

If you think the HNM scene in FFXI is anything more than a joke then the laugh is on you. 3 year king camps meant to be fought at level 70 without merits. Wheeee. FFXI hasn't had an endgame since Zilart.

Wins the thread.

BTW What do you guys think of a NIN winning a D.Ring? I remember it was a source of controversy on our server when Doshu won one. However, that may do more to the fact that he is one of those types with a sour reputation, ie he has "I never die" in his search comment.

Better than a mage getting it lol. Honestly though the job that obviously puts it to the most use is PLD, without much argument. However a NIN getting it is still better than a bunch of other jobs I've heard/seen of getting it

[Kaylia]

As for FFXIFlux, I don't understand what you're getting at? Fighting kings at lvl 70 with no merits wtf? I'm confused were you making a joke or poking at the fact that the kings are old and were fought like that?

Weren't Nid/KB/aspid added the same patch that raised the level to 75?

[Dezzimal]

I'd say we have 2 main plds and 2-3 backup plds as I see it. We just haven't won many pulls on nid/kb/aspid. We've got 4 ridills but only 2 body abjs. I can confidently say that even though we lack body abjs, it doesn't have an effect on whether or not we can kill HNMs as we've done just as much as the other shells in our server with one exception being JoL which we have yet to pop.

[Maguspk]

As for FFXIFlux, I don't understand what you're getting at? Fighting kings at lvl 70 with no merits wtf? I'm confused were you making a joke or poking at the fact that the kings are old and were fought like that?

Weren't Nid/KB/aspid added the same patch that raised the level to 75?

I think so, but that still doesn't explain why he randomly commented on how old they were. Just because King Camps are relatively old doesn't mean they aren't still the best way to equip alot of your newer members in the linkshell. I know kings will be a major part of any hnm shell until SE releases something better, then everybody will jump on that.

I'd say we have 2 main plds and 2-3 backup plds as I see it. We just haven't won many pulls on nid/kb/aspid. We've got 4 ridills but only 2 body abjs. I can confidently say that even though we lack body abjs, it doesn't have an effect on whether or not we can kill HNMs as we've done just as much as the other shells in our server with one exception being JoL which we have yet to pop.

Yeh abjurations really only make things easier, but almost everything is easy enough even without "uber gear". It's weird though, I think they changed Fafnir/Nidhogg's drop rates. It seems like all the linkshells coming up now who rarely claim still get nice drops alot of the time. I think TFA has killed over 150 Fafnirs and only gotten like 9 ridills? Also when we camped Fafhogg uncontested we got about 5 Nidhoggs in a row that dropped N. Legs lol. A few times they just autosorted to people and then get tossed XD.

[Ichthyos]

they made referance to KB's Meteor hitting everyone instead of alliance only (lol) in the patch right before NA release. So, maybe the July 17, 2003 update?

New high-level notorious monsters have been introduced. These monsters have been added to the new, as well as previous, regions.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/ffxi_news071703.shtml

(just happened to have the thread open)