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[Maguspk]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ng+spouses

Wow, yeh let's all give creditability to the Reality TV show about trading spouses. That is such an unexaggerated, reliable video clip. I'm sure the network had nothing to do with that over zealous reaction she had. I'm sure it accidentally got alot of peoples attention and no doubt brought the networks ratings up for that night. But yeh, if you're still too foolish to realize that anything on reality TV is bogus then you're just not worth anyone's time. You all are pitying some lady who agreed to go crazy on national television for a bigger payout/prize in the end. And using an extreme example for any argument is the most unfair/uninformed thing a person can do. LOL let's look at the 1% instead of the majority and make an assumption from it!

[Ksandra]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ng+spouses

Wow, yeh let's all give creditability to the Reality TV show about trading spouses. That is such an unexaggerated, reliable video clip. I'm sure the network had nothing to do with that over zealous reaction she had. I'm sure it accidentally got alot of peoples attention and no doubt brought the networks ratings up for that night. But yeh, if you're still too foolish to realize that anything on reality TV is bogus then you're just not worth anyone's time. You all are pitying some lady who agreed to go crazy on national television for a bigger payout/prize in the end. And using an extreme example for any argument is the most unfair/uninformed thing a person can do. LOL let's look at the 1% instead of the majority and make an assumption from it!

QFT, there are people out there like that I am sure (I've been fortunate to never meet someone like that), but that's network television, and "reality tv" is rarely reality.

[Lizardfeatures]

Organised religion is not the true evil that everyone claims it to be. Like so many other things it has been corrupted, changed and misinterpreted so many times. For instance, the current copy of the King James bible is different than one written 5 years ago. Organised religion is what made the world what it is today. Its set of laws and values created the basis for most societies.

However, most organised religions have out-lived thier usefulness. People cling to the values of the old world and refuse to change and allow thier beliefs to change with it. The problem I see is when a person of a certain faith tries to impose thier values on others. It still happens today with those so-called missionaires that travel the world "aiding" the less fortuneate. This is where the problems lie IMO.

If you want to believe in something, great! Keep it to yourself unless people ask and never force your beliefs on others.

BTW, I happen to be a buddhist but I was originally a Baptist (damn parents ). So I don't hate organised religions but I don't like how they conduct business.

[Demetrick]

Organised religion is not the true evil that everyone claims it to be. Like so many other things it has been corrupted, changed and misinterpreted so many times. For instance, the current copy of the King James bible is different than one written 5 years ago. Organised religion is what made the world what it is today. Its set of laws and values created the basis for most societies.

However, most organised religions have out-lived thier usefulness. People cling to the values of the old world and refuse to change and allow thier beliefs to change with it. The problem I see is when a person of a certain faith tries to impose thier values on others. It still happens today with those so-called missionaires that travel the world "aiding" the less fortuneate. This is where the problems lie IMO.

If you want to believe in something, great! Keep it to yourself unless people ask and never force your beliefs on others.

BTW, I happen to be a buddhist but I was originally a Baptist (damn parents ). So I don't hate organised religions but I don't like how they conduct business.

Organized, not organised. Their, not thier. Grammar aside, do you think "missionaires" are a problem today? Do they still exist? Maybe they do but I don't see that being a problem for me. No one bothers me with their religion and I don't bother anyone with mine... the lack of one.

Keep it to yourself unless people ask and never force your beliefs on others.

You couldn't be more dead on about that. Applicable not just to religion, but everything.

[Raivyn]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ng+spouses

Wow, yeh let's all give creditability to the Reality TV show about trading spouses. That is such an unexaggerated, reliable video clip. I'm sure the network had nothing to do with that over zealous reaction she had. I'm sure it accidentally got alot of peoples attention and no doubt brought the networks ratings up for that night. But yeh, if you're still too foolish to realize that anything on reality TV is bogus then you're just not worth anyone's time. You all are pitying some lady who agreed to go crazy on national television for a bigger payout/prize in the end. And using an extreme example for any argument is the most unfair/uninformed thing a person can do. LOL let's look at the 1% instead of the majority and make an assumption from it!

I think everyone knows by now that Ashen is king of ridiculous assumptions.

[Shaede]

I've known at least 3 people (one a good friend of mine) who became a missionary, so yes, they do still exist. For the most part, these people do a lot of good.

Don't confuse actual missionaries with ones that came along with imperialistic nations and alterior motives, though, such as the case was in places such as Alaska and Hawaii. Back then, "Christianizing" the "savages" was merely an excuse to take over their land and claim it for ourselves for military or trade purposes.

[Xiona]

with the amount of money religion takes in per year tax free, there shouldnt be a homeless/starvation problem.

its just a BS buisiness which preys on fear to make money, nothing more than a glorified mafia. while they dont beat and kill you in this life, they do however promise it for an eternity in the next.

[Demetrick]

with the amount of money religion takes in per year tax free, there shouldnt be a homeless/starvation problem.

its just a BS buisiness which preys on fear to make money, nothing more than a glorified mafia. while they dont beat and kill you in this life, they do however promise it for an eternity in the next.

like big business is any better though...

[Xiona]

ya, at least they pay taxes

[Raivyn]

ya, at least they pay taxes

ahahahaha

[Shaede]

with the amount of money religion takes in per year tax free, there shouldnt be a homeless/starvation problem.

So you are saying that religious organizations are at fault for not having already cured world hunger and poverty with the wealth they've gathered? Not only is this an economic issue almost entirely in the hands of our government, but it has little or nothing to do with the purpose of a religion.

its just a BS buisiness which preys on fear to make money, nothing more than a glorified mafia. while they dont beat and kill you in this life, they do however promise it for an eternity in the next.

Again, we have this assumption:
Aggressive Christian Extremist = ALL RELIGION

I promise you, the truly spiritually enlightened do not hold any of these insane and unrealistic ideals you seem to hold them to in your minds. In many ways your hatred and ignorance about them reflects exactly what it is about them that you hate so much.

[Correction]

ya, at least they pay taxes

nope. Not the big ones with any brains and smart accountants, anyway.

[Xiona]

actually the foundation of christianity is giving to those who dont have anything. as well as instilling "utopian" morals to the masses. man however took a "divine" idea and corrupted it with greed. im not saying big business is great but at least with them you exchange goods for services. in christianity you give donations, which are to be used to better your community.

they are supposed to be the mediator for change, you give them money and they in turn use their volunteers and that funding to help others. instead by putting into the collection plate youre funding bigger churches and missionaries to convert "barbaric" tribes to the religion.

if the church was required to report where every single dime went, to the general public then id im willing to bet more would get done to improve the lives of those with little or nothing. feeding a homeless person only continues the cycle, providing a home or even a mailing address will do more for that person.

oh and i dont hate christians (or any other religion), i hate the system in which they operate. i mean we can debate whats wrong over and over but nothing will change regardless. unless we take initiative to fix problems in our everyday life things will continue on.

of course im not a saint, i dont go giving every homeless person i see money or offering anything. i do however wish i had more to actually help fix this problem, and i do what i can. im just angered when people have the resources to make a huge impact and potential fixes, and its squandered over humanistic greed.

[Demetrick]

feeding a homeless person only continues the cycle, providing a home or even a mailing address will do more for that person.

@_@

Feeding a homeless person is probably the most cost effective means to helping someone out. Housing is much more expensive per capita than a meal. Having a food shelter or soup kitchen gives them: a meal, something cooked (which would boost self-esteem), saves whatever money they do get, not to have to spend it on food. And in theory they would spend that money on bettering themselves, new clothes for job interviews, or rent money.

Having a mailing address is pointless if: they don't have a home, they don't get bills, they don't pay taxes.

[Xiona]

you cant get a job without a mailing address.

do you take your stats over a long period of time. its more cost effective to get someone on their feet than it is to feed them for the rest of their life. not to mention someone whos been thru that system is more willing to give back to it once they are situated.

ive been homeless before, ive had all my stuff thrown out. if it wasnt for friends who worked at a 24 hour denny's i would have been sleeping on the street instead of napping at a booth. the only reason i was able to get a job was because i had friends who were willing to give me a mailing address and phone number.

Edit: poverty is a tool used by the wealthy to scare the middle class into working for the shit wages they already make.

[Ksandra]

of course im not a saint, i dont go giving every homeless person i see money or offering anything. i do however wish i had more to actually help fix this problem, and i do what i can. im just angered when people have the resources to make a huge impact and potential fixes, and its squandered over humanistic greed.

And yet you blame an organization that tries to help even if it's not the particular method you want them to do, yet you're ok with big business that make no attempts to try and help the poor whatsoever because you seem to think they pay taxes (lol)?

To me even if the method isn't perfect, it's just nice enough to know that there are people out there who try.

[Lbelle]

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[Xiona]

no i am not happy with big business because they pay taxes. in regards to them i think the working class needs to band together on a nation wide scale to gain power and control over wages. the church on the other hand is given free money, all they have to do is pass the plate. churches are morally bound to sacred doctrine which states their purpose is the betterment of their fellow man. passing out bread and giving tribes bibles is the saddest attempt at getting the "i swear were trying!" so they can then say "now... send us more money!"

as far as church relief; if my arm was chopped off i wouldnt applaud the doctor for putting some band-aids on it and saying "dont worry theres more where those came from" as a solution. i also think its great that people are defending the completely flawed system as opposed to standing up and saying, "this is not good enough". thats why we take it up the ass when it comes to a lot of issues.

a large number of americans are 6-8 paychecks away from financial ruin. doesnt take much to become thrust into the system in which youre saying is adequite, only to find out that there really isnt much help at all.

[Raivyn]

no i am not happy with big business because they pay taxes. in regards to them i think the working class needs to band together on a nation wide scale to gain power and control over wages. the church on the other hand is given free money, all they have to do is pass the plate. churches are morally bound to sacred doctrine which states their purpose is the betterment of their fellow man. passing out bread and giving tribes bibles is the saddest attempt at getting the "i swear were trying!" so they can then say "now... send us more money!"

as far as church relief; if my arm was chopped off i wouldnt applaud the doctor for putting some band-aids on it and saying "dont worry theres more where those came from" as a solution. i also think its great that people are defending the completely flawed system as opposed to standing up and saying, "this is not good enough". thats why we take it up the ass when it comes to a lot of issues.

a large number of americans are 6-8 paychecks away from financial ruin. doesnt take much to become thrust into the system in which youre saying is adequite, only to find out that there really isnt much help at all.

They already do; it's called productivity. But if you're talking about unionizing the nation then that's a terrible idea.

[Shaede]

no i am not happy with big business because they pay taxes. in regards to them i think the working class needs to band together on a nation wide scale to gain power and control over wages. the church on the other hand is given free money, all they have to do is pass the plate. churches are morally bound to sacred doctrine which states their purpose is the betterment of their fellow man. passing out bread and giving tribes bibles is the saddest attempt at getting the "i swear were trying!" so they can then say "now... send us more money!"

as far as church relief; if my arm was chopped off i wouldnt applaud the doctor for putting some band-aids on it and saying "dont worry theres more where those came from" as a solution. i also think its great that people are defending the completely flawed system as opposed to standing up and saying, "this is not good enough". thats why we take it up the ass when it comes to a lot of issues.

a large number of americans are 6-8 paychecks away from financial ruin. doesnt take much to become thrust into the system in which youre saying is adequite, only to find out that there really isnt much help at all.

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