Besieged needs a level minimum.

[FFXIFlux]

So it's alright to leech XP and ISP if you're high level, but not if you're low level? Yeah... uh? That makes tons of sense. Fact is with 200 level 75s and 500 AFK bazaar mules and leechers, you're still going to win, so leech the fuck away. And guess what, if you do manage to lose because of leechers... you get to go do something new and unique and rescue the AI for even more ISP and shit.

[ircgeek]

I'd prefer the level 50 minimum requirement to Besieged, if only to make it correspond similarly to Assault for consistancy.

I'll make a deal - we can argue the 50 cap idea after we find a way to boot the afk bazaar people. You want to complain about people not contributing, there you go.

All they need to do is make sure the people have Sanction on or a dialogue to accept Besieged or something... Can't be too hard to come up with a solution to that, but then again - we're talking about the people who thought a Bazaar Tax would stop the afk'ers.

[Amara]

I don't think the problem is the level 16 people trying to get 700 exp, it's the 50 people afk at the moghouse entrance and auctionhouse who are simply wasting space by being in the zone. There should be a dialogue choice during the cutscene that you have to click, and if you don't, you are dumped out of the zone.

[layoneil]

And guess what, if you do manage to lose because of leechers... you get to go do something new and unique and rescue the AI for even more ISP and shit.

and the Sanction XP bonus reduces to 5% and you have to wait for like a month of Besieges before it gets back up to 15%.

[Mifaco]

More importantly a level 25 whm can raise your gimp ass, a level 20 corsair can help him/her recover mp. There is a lot of support that low level players can provide, so go get off your high horse and fuck yourself.

FUN FACT: the job most commonly seen in Besieged is WHM. blms are practially forced to play panda (black/white get it?) thanks to 80% magic reduction. Low level players do nothing besides providing more HP for Blood Saber/Grave Reel to drain.

[ircgeek]

And guess what, if you do manage to lose because of leechers... you get to go do something new and unique and rescue the AI for even more ISP and shit.

and the Sanction XP bonus reduces to 5% and you have to wait for like a month of Besieges before it gets back up to 15%.

And the Warp Taru drops you at the zoneline to Jugner in Batallia instead of outside Jeuno.

All pretty much suck, but seriously, if the zone is full, you're not going to lose. Everyone that's lost the AC has been during a maintenance or a Fafhogg window, it seems.

[Jeryhn]

I'd prefer the level 50 minimum requirement to Besieged, if only to make it correspond similarly to Assault for consistancy.

I'll make a deal - we can argue the 50 cap idea after we find a way to boot the afk bazaar people. You want to complain about people not contributing, there you go.

This is the main reason why the bazaar tax was put in Al Zahbi. People are now far more likely to bazaar in Whitegate, or go back to the good ol' Rolanberry Mall.

All they need to do is make sure the people have Sanction on or a dialogue to accept Besieged or something... Can't be too hard to come up with a solution to that, but then again - we're talking about the people who thought a Bazaar Tax would stop the afk'ers

I wholeheartedly agree. We need both... people without Sanction should be booted because the presence of the Astral Candesence isn't benefitting them anyway, and for those with it, there should be a dialogue in the cutscene which asks "Participate in Besieged?" with a "Yes" and "No" option, for at least those who accidently entered Al Zahbi during a beastmen attack if nothing else.

[NynJa]

And guess what, if you do manage to lose because of leechers... you get to go do something new and unique and rescue the AI for even more ISP and shit.

and the Sanction XP bonus reduces to 5% and you have to wait for like a month of Besieges before it gets back up to 15%.

You forgot to mention that the warp taru is gonna send you to shit like pashow marshlands...

[Kaylia]

And guess what, if you do manage to lose because of leechers... you get to go do something new and unique and rescue the AI for even more ISP and shit.

and the Sanction XP bonus reduces to 5% and you have to wait for like a month of Besieges before it gets back up to 15%.

You forgot to mention that the warp taru is gonna send you to shit like pashow marshlands...

Which is actually a good thing considering you can warp to your home town with the outpost there.

[Don Katsu]

I don't think the problem is the level 16 people trying to get 700 exp, it's the 50 people afk at the moghouse entrance and auctionhouse who are simply wasting space by being in the zone. There should be a dialogue choice during the cutscene that you have to click, and if you don't, you are dumped out of the zone.

That would make too much sense. But you'll probably get stuck with morons shouting "I accidentally clicked no, lol" or even better "Which one did you guys pick?"

[ircgeek]

I don't think the problem is the level 16 people trying to get 700 exp, it's the 50 people afk at the moghouse entrance and auctionhouse who are simply wasting space by being in the zone. There should be a dialogue choice during the cutscene that you have to click, and if you don't, you are dumped out of the zone.

That would make too much sense. But you'll probably get stuck with morons shouting "I accidentally clicked no, lol"

That's fine for two reasons.

One, they can always just try to rezone in during Besieged and get asked the same question. Afterall, the purpose of the Dialogue is to remove people who won't click anything.

Secondly, it's fine because you don't want idiots in Besieged anyways. Good riddance.

[Priran]

By the by...

Oh, and Evoker's Roll is 40. Dumbass.

Healer's Roll is level 20. Dumbass. ^-')b

Do you rest in Dynamis? I've never found time to rest in Besieged. I've always had Refresh, and when I do try to kneel, I always get hit through Stoneskin from some AoE.

Besides, a Lv.20 would be doing a fuckton of kneeling. Healer's Roll would make approximately 0.00no% difference.

[ircgeek]

By the by...

Oh, and Evoker's Roll is 40. Dumbass.

Healer's Roll is level 20. Dumbass. ^-')b

Do you rest in Dynamis? I've never found time to rest in Besieged. I've always had Refresh, and when I do try to kneel, I always get hit through Stoneskin from some AoE.

Besides, a Lv.20 would be doing a fuckton of kneeling. Healer's Roll would make approximately 0.00no% difference.

You'd be surprised. I usually camp where General Zazarg starts out, in that little middle section on the top floor. Rarely do mobs come near me, and I just pop out Cures onto nearby players (screw the NPCs), and then pop on a roll every minute. Healer's Roll reduces kneeling by only a couple seconds, but if you want to get even close to 700 if you're under 30 on Corsair, then you need to cure as much as you can.

[Jeryhn]

By the by...

Oh, and Evoker's Roll is 40. Dumbass.

Healer's Roll is level 20. Dumbass. ^-')b

Do you rest in Dynamis? I've never found time to rest in Besieged. I've always had Refresh, and when I do try to kneel, I always get hit through Stoneskin from some AoE.

Why would I bring my RDM, a job I can easily cap EXP on, to Besieged, which awards no limit points? I bring my SMN. I find plenty of time to cast Reraise, Curebomb a General, and rest up MP, and repeat the process, get full XP and IS, and win. If I die, I reraise, move the fuck away, cast Reraise, rest MP... and I still get full EXP and IS.

Besides, a Lv.20 would be doing a fuckton of kneeling. Healer's Roll would make approximately 0.00no% difference.

I dunno about you, but when I got bonuses to Clear Mind leveling lower level jobs, they were highly noticeable to my ability to perform my job. Same thing with most of the bigger +hMP gear I got.

And Healer's Roll adds quite a bit of hMP.

[Turtlesoup]

I don't think the problem is the level 16 people trying to get 700 exp, it's the 50 people afk at the moghouse entrance and auctionhouse who are simply wasting space by being in the zone. There should be a dialogue choice during the cutscene that you have to click, and if you don't, you are dumped out of the zone.

That would make too much sense. But you'll probably get stuck with morons shouting "I accidentally clicked no, lol"

That's fine for two reasons.

One, they can always just try to rezone in during Besieged and get asked the same question. Afterall, the purpose of the Dialogue is to remove people who won't click anything.

Secondly, it's fine because you don't want idiots in Besieged anyways. Good riddance.

Or how about it's just one option, "are you present?"

[NynJa]

And guess what, if you do manage to lose because of leechers... you get to go do something new and unique and rescue the AI for even more ISP and shit.

and the Sanction XP bonus reduces to 5% and you have to wait for like a month of Besieges before it gets back up to 15%.

You forgot to mention that the warp taru is gonna send you to shit like pashow marshlands...

Which is actually a good thing considering you can warp to your home town with the outpost there.

I can also get to my home town by:
Tele-Vahzl to outpost
Tavnzanian Ring to outpost
Tele-mea and run to Buburimu
Homing Ring ftw


can you name a quick run to jeuno ??

[ircgeek]

I can also get to my home town by:
Tavnzanian Ring to outpost

Which is controlled by Beastmen the majority of the time nowadays. Chains of what?

[epigram]

You and Alleya have the loosest definition of gimp I've ever heard
Dune Boots, 5 Kick Merits, and AF2 pants isn't the best combination but it isn't "gimp", SH is only missing 20 ATT from Shura, and I use OHat because Turban isn't enough of an improvement to me to not sell the Gold coins.

Your dead monk is just as useful as any other dead monk.

A level 25 white mage can raise, toss a few cure II's, and raise again. When out of mp they can sit down and rest with HEALERS ROLL!! why the hell did you think I said level 20 dumb ass? I also think a lot of mages would be a hell of a lot more happy with a level 20 corsair or level 25 bard in their PT than a pimped out monk.

[Jeryhn]

I can also get to my home town by:
Tavnzanian Ring to outpost

Which is controlled by Beastmen the majority of the time nowadays. Chains of what?

Chains of Jailer Weapons.

[BRP]

Besieged is really getting too annoying to do, from a smart person's point of view anyway. SE forgets how many god damn morons there are in a sever. People don't understand that if you really want to win, you have to use some form of tactics. Cure NPCs, don't fight skeletons, kite monsters that wipe entire alliances, kill that 'megaboss' thing, ect ect. Really basic stuff, but it's impossible to stop that BLM from nuking Thunder IV on a bomb or that PLD/NIN giving that skeleton enough TP to reach full HP every 30 seconds while killing every taru in a mile. When you try to do something smart, like kite a skeleton around the sqaure buildings, some dumbass cocky lvl 69 MNK claims it and tries to solo it. They should add methods of killing a large amount of monsters without fighting them. Like escort a soldier to a ballista and have him shoot instant kill arrows at them.

Generals should actually lead. Like shout out advice, "Imperial Guard is hurt!", "Assist Immortal Guard!", "Keep the Draugar away from other players!". Morons probably won't listen, but it might get to some people.

Why in god's name can't BLM do over 200-400 damage? These monsters have 10k+ HP, it isn't going to matter. If they want to 'make it fair', they should make targets with different strengths.

More on topic... They should scale the monsters down to a group of 300 RETARDS or 150 smart people. Let everyone in who is 75 instantly. If the number exceeds 400, stop there. If not, then let in some 74 to fill it. If not, then let in 73. Until you are capped at 400.

Force people to buff unique targets(People or NPC) to get points. Only the your first Shell I should count on General Zazarg. Not I'm not sure if it does, but curing someone for 0 HP should give you no points.

SE should 'scan' the zone to see how many people or there or what level. So in the future, if it is 20 75s, 10-12 60-74s, and 10-12 -50s, they won't instant die, and if there is 3 75s and 30-40 -50s, you play in a fight where the 75s are godly.

SE should of made Al Zahbi only accessable to people +60 in the first place. Like a quest that only people +60 can do. There is no reason why it shouldn't be this way. It doesn't close off any zones and everything in that zone is aimed for high-levels.

Anyway, more of a fantasy here... but

SE should add more beastmen "Generals" and actually name them(so you don't get morons thinking they are fighting the (Mega Boss) and you don't have to deal with people who won't believe the idea of a boss). Once you kill these generals a negative effect is dealth to different monster types. Gravity and "blank becomes intimadated" comes to mind. After killing 5-6 of them, it ends. Maybe even have it drop an item(not a ridil) in the pool of the killer. Probably a rare/ex level 40 Astral Ring, Sniper Ring, and Spike Necklace alternatives. Not exactly fair to (solo) mages, but if you alliance up, it shouldn't be a problem. These items wouldn't matter nearly as much to many players, so it's no tragedy if a DRK ends up with a rare/ex Astral Ring.

Second, (our) Generals should give AoE bonuses to people who stand by them. The strength of these buffs are determined by the number of the General's men are still alive. Maybe the longer you stay, the more buffs you get. They would all stack with anyother spell/ability that have the same effect. 1 minute you get Regen, 5 minutes you get Refresh, 10 minutes you get Haste+, and 20 minutes you get Reraise. You can wait 20 minutes by the general, then venture out, but if you die, they disappear, so then you'd have to go back to your general. Have SE write it up to the Astral flute we are protecting. If it would buff the beastmen, why not us?

Make generals more godly. They should be level 100, freakin' legends. Stoneserpent Zazarg is awesome, but he should be hitting 2000 damage Asurans.

PS. Sub WHM.