Besieged needs a level minimum.

[aurik]

The NPCs in Besieged make up most of the damage dealt to the enemy forces.

Since when?

Every time I see a NPC and a PC fighting the same thing, guess who has hate?

And every time I've seen a General die, it's been because all the mobs they've hit on their ADD rampage through the zone, wherein they hit every mob they can find and change targets before they die, loses hate for a second and clusterfucks them.

If an NPC dies, it doesn't come back. And NPCs die fast.

NPCs don't hold hate. I watched the mithra general and about 6 npcs beating up on a single troll. I cast bio on it and it came after me.

[Kaylia]

Mob aggro seem somehow random there >_> I pulled hate many time spamming cure 1 for 0 dmg on whm 40.

[epigram]

Was that pre or post update? I've dumped a good 2000+ MP in cure IV's including a DS cure IV onto the galka and never took hate once. He was also tanking 3 mamook and 4 cockatrice at the same time.

[Jeryhn]

Curing NPCs will generate little to no hate in my experience.

Healing a player who's the target of multiple mobs gets a mage dead fast.

[Nagamaki]

Its not good compared to what a good melee will do, which is what matters. And of course Zazarg will hit harder on bones, and all NPCs will hit hard on Qutrub, I can SA Dancing Edge for over 1000 pretty damn easy on besieged Qutrubs with a Heart Snatcher (so not exactly a mega damage weapon), /NIN and no food/cheap sushi.

For melees the limit to be useful is pretty much 70+ and mages can contribute at lower level, but Besieged without high level melees would last ridiculously long, because the NPCs are hard to kill but they do not kill things quickly by themselves.

[Priran]

Yes yes, you melees have your uses in Besieged, like being targets of mobs by fighting them so mages aren't.

And actually doing any damage, which would put you below the usefulness of a melee if your main didn't have any innate MP. Lucky you.

Actually I have seen melee not be able to do that much damage to mobs in besieged, so the damage I have seen Zazarg do is pretty good in comparison.

It counts on the monster type. On some monsters I see Zazarg doing 110-150 a hit and 400+ Asurans... I even saw a 800 on the mummy guys.

http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/6ab55da434.jpg

[Kaylia]

Was that pre or post update? I've dumped a good 2000+ MP in cure IV's including a DS cure IV onto the galka and never took hate once. He was also tanking 3 mamook and 4 cockatrice at the same time.

It was last week, spamming cure on undead mobs. I'm not sure about healing, but out of the 700 invisible players in the area, I assume someone should have had more hate than me.

[Kaylia]

And whoever think melee arent doing good dmg in Besieged is retarded >_> It's not the blm with 150-200dmg a nuke that kill monsters. Melee can do that in 2-4 attack cycle.

[Scorp]

I've taken Whm 26-28 on Beseiged alone, I have capped healing, enfeebling and Divine. What is even better is no one has to suffer my lame whm skills in a party where I'd be hurting 5 people directly.

I average 500+ exp, Melee none aoe mobs keep blink up and spam cure, dia , raise and banish. Also get a party with a rdm + brd and see how godly that mp per tick is when you only have 400 >.>;

The people more likely ot lose us besieged are all the jps "pimping' out with kraken clubs on Assault Draugers to ensure that "benediction" blood saber.

[othellojr]

Yes yes, you melees have your uses in Besieged, like being targets of mobs by fighting them so mages aren't.

And actually doing any damage, which would put you below the usefulness of a melee if your main didn't have any innate MP. Lucky you.

Actually I have seen melee not be able to do that much damage to mobs in besieged, so the damage I have seen Zazarg do is pretty good in comparison.

It counts on the monster type. On some monsters I see Zazarg doing 110-150 a hit and 400+ Asurans... I even saw a 800 on the mummy guys.

http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/6ab55da434.jpg

Don't get me wrong, I do plenty on my mnk, I should have stated if a melee is not geared well, they will not do as good as Zazarg can, but if you have best gear there is and merits, etc, you can basically rape mobs in Besieged (consequently dying alot too )

[Jeryhn]

Yes yes, you melees have your uses in Besieged, like being targets of mobs by fighting them so mages aren't.

And actually doing any damage, which would put you below the usefulness of a melee if your main didn't have any innate MP. Lucky you.

Actually I have seen melee not be able to do that much damage to mobs in besieged, so the damage I have seen Zazarg do is pretty good in comparison.

It counts on the monster type. On some monsters I see Zazarg doing 110-150 a hit and 400+ Asurans... I even saw a 800 on the mummy guys.

http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/6ab55da434.jpg

Don't get me wrong, I do plenty on my mnk, I should have stated if a melee is not geared well, they will not do as good as Zazarg can, but if you have best gear there is and merits, etc, you can basically rape mobs in Besieged (consequently dying alot too )

Which is a-ok, because a level 50 WHM/RDM/PLD/SMN/etc. would be happy to Raise you for EXP and IS.

[Priran]

I should have stated if a melee is not geared well, they will not do as good as Zazarg can

But I'm a

SH ohat AF leg dune boot wearing k-mart monk

slash member of the

Scorpion Harness brigade.

So I imagine a real DD would do better

[othellojr]

So true, I had this one besieged where this lvl 30 whm taru followed me and would cure till she ran out of mp then would be there to R1 me when I died, after it was done, she sent me a tell thanking me since she got 700 exp and IS

[Priran]

Which is a-ok, because a level 50 WHM/RDM/PLD/SMN/etc. would be happy to Raise you for EXP and IS.

It's like you didn't see me countertanking the fucking thing.

[Jeryhn]

Which is a-ok, because a level 50 WHM/RDM/PLD/SMN/etc. would be happy to Raise you for EXP and IS.

It's like you didn't see me countertanking the fucking thing.

Grats on Countering an attack and screenshotting it. Do you want me to slap you on the butt and say "Good job Boy!"?

[Priran]

Which is a-ok, because a level 50 WHM/RDM/PLD/SMN/etc. would be happy to Raise you for EXP and IS.

It's like you didn't see me countertanking the fucking thing.

Grats on Countering an attack and screenshotting it. Do you want me to slap you on the butt and say "Good job Boy!"?

I was missing a whole 300 HP. The Qutrub was at 61%. All hate is lost if you run past 20' from a Besieged mob. Not making a snide comment like all melees' death is inevitable is what I'm getting at.

Anything that would kill a melee is just as likely going to kill a mage. If anything, a smart melee will die less since they have the HP to survive running away.

Edit: My bad. Other information wasn't in that shot.

http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/09685c72a5.jpg

[Jeryhn]

Which is a-ok, because a level 50 WHM/RDM/PLD/SMN/etc. would be happy to Raise you for EXP and IS.

It's like you didn't see me countertanking the fucking thing.

Grats on Countering an attack and screenshotting it. Do you want me to slap you on the butt and say "Good job Boy!"?

I was missing a whole 300 HP. The Qutrub was at 61%. All hate is lost if you run past 20' from a Besieged mob. Not making a snide comment like all melees' death is inevitable is what I'm getting at.

Anything that would kill a melee is just as likely going to kill a mage. If anything, a smart melee will die less since they have the HP to survive running away.

There's hope for you yet. Maybe people like you will teach more melees in Besieged to be less useless than they currently are.

[aurik]

All I'm hearing is "wah wah wah I didn't get to Al Zahbi early enough please kick someone who got there first"

[Priran]

All I'm hearing is "wah wah wah I didn't get to Al Zahbi early enough please kick someone who got there first"

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[aurik]

All I'm hearing is "wah wah wah I didn't get to Al Zahbi early enough please kick someone who got there first"

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