Besieged needs a level minimum.

[Priran]

Keep the cookie; you need it more than me.

Agreed, cookies don't magically read the thread for you.

[BRP]

Midgardsormr

First server to lose the Astral TWICE.

[Vobent]

Midgardsormr

First server to lose the Astral TWICE.

O.O

Sorry to hear that.

[NynJa]

Midgardsormr

First server to lose the Astral TWICE.

but its ok because some lvl 30 whm got 20 lvls of healing and enhancing skill and 400 xp/IS.



So, lets see, the tradeoff is:
the AC (along with its 15% xp bonus from sanction, warp taru's accuracy, refresh sanction bonus, food duration sanction bonus) and making that specific beastmen force stronger (atleast thats what the sanction NPC says)
for
400 XP/IS on your lvl 30 job and 20 lvls of healing / enhancing skill.

not to mention, since the beastmen have the AC, they have no reason to attack Zhabi, since they attack to take the AC.

[Elcura]

If you think MNK is useless (as well as all 75 melees) then do it without them and see how fast you lose.

I solo'd besieged on MNK/NIN and didn't die ONCE, and I killed around 6-7 mobs, I even chimed in on a mob at 40% and by 20% I had hate, with -12 enmity and mostly AF2 on.

[epigram]

I don't think anyone said melee's are useless. What they did say, or at least I said, is that if low levels want to do beseige more power to them, and if your late tough shit.

If you loose the AC with 400 people then you have bigger issues than a bunch of low levels, I seriously doubt there are 200 people below level 50 in each beseige, I also believe there are probably more afk level 50+ people in each beseige then low level people anyway.

[Geostigma]

I'd have to say since I make it a hobby to be at pretty much every besieged there is (Alarm clock ftw), that the order of difficulty from weakest to hardest are trolls > undead > mamools. If there aren't smart level 75's in the zone during the mamool attacks your going to get slaughtered.

The reason any server should never lose to the trolls or undead is pretty much because as big a pain in the ass as the trolls are to kill they just don't have enough firepower to make a decent group of 150~200 70~75's lose. Also the fact that which one the troll general is, is so utterly ovious, makes the idiots who go after him atleast be fighting the right mob.

As far as the undead go i've heard to many idiots shout "Omg teh undead we are going to loses" but guess what despite all those AoE's they really shouldn't matter. Mages shouldn't die to them either. A mage that keeps himself/herself properly buffed at all times and in a favorable pos close enough to cure, yet far enough not to be around multiple bunched up mobs just should never die.

If as a mage you somehow pull hate you still shouldn't die with the buffs if you run away the moment you see your taking direct mob melee damage. With the undead if the mages dont die the melees wont die, if the mages are smart they won't die. The undead bones and qutrabs defense just suck they aren't hard to kill even if the bones spam there so called "benediction" AoE's. when both bones and qutrab are gone just kill the merrow generals and you win.

The mamool's are just made to slaughter. The nin's blow you up. The Blu's have that lovely radiant breath. The blm's sleepga 2. Every pet has some reason why there either a pain in the ass to kill or just are plain annoying when they are alive. On top of all of this I just love how noobs will shout the Mamool Blm's are the generals just because they have the same character model as the actual generals the Mamool Whm's. If The zone isn't full to the brim with 70~75's with actual brains its going to be a slaughter no matter what.

The generals of course need to be protected and if possible cure Npc's they make nice tanks. I think everyone nows by now where zazarg starts out since he's become so popular. The hume female general is at the warp taru. Hume male general at the AH. Mithra general at the astral gate. Elvann male general runs around the Main area where the homepoint used to be, can't remember what its called on the map.

If there aren't many in the zone the generals will die rather quickly and your best bet to win is just to keep zazarg alive but everyone knows that. On another note your in no way garunteed to win if you cure bomb zazarg. Stupid bull shitty stuff will happen like those yummy glitched radiant breaths from mamool Blu's that will pretty much 1 shot him as just one example.

Thats really the basic run down of besieged in a nutshell. If all 5 generals die you lose yada yada blah blah blah (we kinda all know this) I really can't see why people don't enjoy besieged or why more people don't show up. The benifets of partipating and not losing to the beastmen armys just seem to outweigh pretty much most things on the game. ToA is godly compared to CoP and all you really have to do to keep it that way is show up for beseiged and get free xp and imperial points on the side.

PS. Oh yay I finish my post to find out my server just lost the astral again....... </3 vacation but more then anything </3 migardsormr, home of more retards then every other server combined.

[BRP]

I've become infamous for shouting directions to how to do it right. Yesterday a level 4 undead got into the room with the astral. I was shouting "Get them out of the room, don't fight them in here" and "We found the boss, unless you plan on kiting them out", also some "BLMs, don't nuke, just cure". Needless to say I was yelled at for being such an asshole.

How ironic is it that they lose it to Undead.

Midgardsomr's Status:

AC - Undead Swarm. One party in the zone atm, no idea what they are doing. I can't find a party of people to do it.

Undead Swarm - 8 Prisoners (Including Warp Taru)
Halvung - 2 Prisoners
Mamool Ja - 0 Prisoners

No one is making any effort to save any prisoners.

People say "My server sucks!", but they mean because of Sniper Ring prices. My server sucks.

[Geostigma]

I've become infamous for shouting directions to how to do it right. Yesterday a level 4 undead got into the room with the astral. I was shouting "Get them out of the room, don't fight them in here" and "We found the boss, unless you plan on kiting them out", also some "BLMs, don't nuke, just cure". Needless to say I was yelled at for being such an asshole.

How ironic is it that they lose it to Undead.

Midgardsomr's Status:

AC - Undead Swarm. One party in the zone atm, no idea what they are doing. I can't find a party of people to do it.

Undead Swarm - 8 Prisoners (Including Warp Taru)
Halvung - 2 Prisoners
Mamool Ja - 0 Prisoners

No one is making any effort to save any prisoners.

People say "My server sucks!", but they mean because of Sniper Ring prices. My server sucks.

/dies inside

[Byrd]

I really can't see why people don't enjoy besieged or why more people don't show up.

Lag =!= fun

[NynJa]

I don't think anyone said melee's are useless.

This pretty much keeps proving the point that should already be obvious to everyone:

Melee = useless & leech
Tanks = useful
Mages = useful
Support = useful

It was rather bluntly stated that melee are useless, but I think the adjective "leech" kinda tops it off.

[Lordwafik]

Melee arent useless in beseiged

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/122/uselessnaw7me.jpg

Yeah yeah I know the damage is intensified on Qutrubs, but it's nice to flex that e-peen still.

When I go RDM, I go as a melee rdm/nin with mandau/joy, but I still refresh and heal people for IS. But I cant do any real damage to the mobs. Alot of melee dont swap gear in beseiged, and that's where low numbers come from, if you WS in your non WS gear. I swap gear all the time, your client might not load the graphics, but so long as you get the message "equipment changed", it works.
My damage is quite normal on all mobs, depending if they got protect or whatever, my ws's do slightly less in beseiged than outside, but roughly the same. Just remember in beseiged you dont get Valor Minuet IV , unless you're lucky enough to party with a bard

Also those things hit my mages hard >_< on my thief i at least dodge like mad.

[Geostigma]

I really can't see why people don't enjoy besieged or why more people don't show up.

Lag =!= fun

Last time I checked besieged is about as bad for me as strolling around lower jueno, sadly this still applys even after the release of ToA.

[Amara]

Its amazing our sever sucks so bad, yes.

But I'm not in any rush to go get the astral candescence or anything when I realize we're going to lose it again in a another week since noone understands you need to do more than engage on the closest thing you see in order to win now.

Mihli has been a prisoner since we lost it the first time, noone has made an effort to rescue her either, I'm sure having 5 generals would make things a bit easier than having 4, too.

[Lordwafik]

Mihli has been a prisoner since we lost it the first time, noone has made an effort to rescue her either

Prisoner system needs reworking. The whole party needs to get IS/reward from it, not just the person who unlocked the gate. Everyone should get 200 IS, and everyone in the pt should get a random ??? thing from the NPC.

[Priran]

Mihli has been a prisoner since we lost it the first time, noone has made an effort to rescue her either, I'm sure having 5 generals would make things a bit easier than having 4, too.

My server has been down to 4 generals many times, Mihli is basically the only one that never dies.

[NynJa]

Mihli has been a prisoner since we lost it the first time, noone has made an effort to rescue her either

Prisoner system needs reworking. The whole party needs to get IS/reward from it, not just the person who unlocked the gate. Everyone should get 200 IS, and everyone in the pt should get a random ??? thing from the NPC.

yes/no
I think everyone in the party / alliance should get IS, thats undisputable...however I think only the party/alliance leader OR the person who freed the NPC should get clearance to recieve the ??? item.

Mihli has been a prisoner since we lost it the first time, noone has made an effort to rescue her either, I'm sure having 5 generals would make things a bit easier than having 4, too.

My server has been down to 4 generals many times, Mihli is basically the only one that never dies.

I was about to type out "lolrng" in big fat bold huge letters, but I decided to verify the job, and that ones not the rng

[Jeryhn]

Mihli is the melee RDM.

[Priran]

Mihli is the melee RDM.

lolrng:

http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/65a5cecd02.jpg


WHM that never cures:

http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/94c8744ea7.jpg

[NynJa]

if you were a whm with a kraken club, would you cure people ?