Isnt it depressing to camp the same 3NMS for the past 3yrs?

[MisterBob]

did wow, it's just as boring and repetitive in the end.

fight's are short and involve about as much skill as mashing your number keys with your forearm. and gg on thousands of ninjalotters.

and ffxi isn't repetitive?

most ppl in ffxi can read.

the game looks better, and if you're patient it's more rewarding imo.

besides, i camp 3 kings to watch other LS kite fafnir.

QFT. Fuck TV when you can get 10x as much entertainment watching Fafnir run around the Aery, taking bets on Ventrilo as to when it's going to flail.

[gemini~cusp]

What's even sadder though is that as far as mmorpgs go, Ultima is still active So FF,WoW and even EQ look pretty shitty compared to how long the granddaddy of Mmorpgs has been out. Got to love though those NES-esque graphics lol I mean seriously, Ultima Online still around

But alot of console games like the rpgs, fighting games and action games (like GTA) tend to have a high degree of "playability" where people will play it over and over regardless of how repititious their actions in the game are.

[½pint]

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The point is, Twentytwo, is that you are "done" with FFXI and you have moved on to WoW. In your view, you have made the superior choice, and whether you can see it or not, it really really comes across in your posts. What you wrote does genuinely sound like you don't intend to be starting a fight, but the way you express yourself also sounds like you're waltzing around on your high horse looking down at everybody who reads this forum for more than just nostalgia. Your underlying question of "aren't you bored doing the same thing for 3 YEARS!?!?!!" is fine, except for the fact that you then back up your arguments with examples from WoW. There are plenty of things wrong with WoW, and if I went and posted a thread about WoW in the WoW forum citing a problem with the game and how FFXI does it so much better, I would be flamed there too. Don't act so surprised when you would react the same if I posted a "WoW is so cartoony, how can you put up with it for 2 years?! FFXI graphics hit the nail on the head, they are a good example of how to do grafx" thread.

[TP]

It just seems like a horrible thing to have to have the feeling that you need to be in 1 of 3 places everyday doing the same thing everyday for gear that is going on 3years old and is just about the best in the game when by now is should be garbage.

It seems horrible, if you cage yourself into terms like "need" and "should." On a similar note, you don't need to have a huge spike in numbers to feel like you're progressing (i.e. the Thundada 900>2000 example that was cited). Progression is a relative thing, and it's got way more to do with your overall approach and perspective than the actual activity in question.

That said, I don't think the longevity or "hardcore" factor of FFXI would be harmed if they gave all NMs a max window of 9-12hrs. Wouldn't have to worry about shit being in "NA time" vs. "JP time" either.

[grunion]

couldn't they just add ridill/defending ring/whatever aspid drops besides dalmatica to some hard instanced fight, and solve the 3 kings problem forever? e.g KS299 or something. then the people that REALLY want ridill could get it and stop setting an alarm clock for 4:20 AM

[divisortheory]

The problem isn't that there's no gear making abjuration stuff obsolete. The problem is that they released abjuration gear as soon as they did. It was way too good for its time. I don't think they will ever make anything better than abjuration gear. It introduces too many problems, including but not limited to:

- It hurts crafters since HQ cursed gear would no longer valuable.
- It hurts people who spent millions and millions on NQ and HQ cursed gear
- It's already strong as fuck, anything stronger would arguably be broken.

These are just a few. SE's solution to this has been twofold: first, to introduce really strong gear for other slots. Examples include Brutal Earring, Boxer's Mantle, and the weapon skill torques. second, to make lots of gear that is fucking awesome in very limited number of situations.

This is the way it will continue, and most likely you won't see any gear ever introduced that will make abjuration armor obsolete. You should just get used to it.

What they could do to alleviate the problem further is make abjurations drop from KS99s, but otherwise I don't think the current system is broken.

[Weltall]

In my eyes there should be a new sword or axe in the game that make ridill just a pretty good weapon but not the best, or that makes adaman hauberk something to use while you're waiting on the new best thing.

If this was to happen, and the gear was made easy to obtain then this game would become Diablo/Everquest2/WoW(to some extent). When everyone endgame runs around looking the exact same people begin to get bored and leave said game. I know countless friends that have done this. Diablo2 got hacked/drops were easy to get and then everyone got bored. In EQ2, top end gear was all from Raids and was easily obtainable. New gear is released, but is fairly easy to get. People got bored, sold accounts, or just quit and deleted.

WoW- Get your tier 2(correct me if I'm wrong) and then raids become boring as hell and worthless? Going by my roomate as an example. You go into instance, spam your hotkeys, get RB to drop what you want.

FFXI - You must first, A- get the claim, B- Kill it(the easiest part), C- Get the drop, and finally, D- Have the most points/luck casting lots.

There isn't as much rarity or "wow!" factor about a Koenig body/Valor Surcoat these days, but there sure is a hell of a lot more people running around in Adaman Bodys or AF1 at 75 than there is Koenig/AF2. There is always gear upgrades in FFXI to maximize your efficiency, but most all of it is situational or macro'd.

When it comes down to it, many hate it, but what makes this game keep going is the fact that you must compete with other linkshells and not just the mob. If we could all go in a instance and fight Fafnir/Nidhogg and get the drops, people would get bored of having the best gear, nothing to work for, and people would quit because everyone is the same.

[inafume]

I don't really understand mentioning someone levelling 7 jobs to 75. Some jobs are vastly different from others that it's like playing a new game. And it happens in other MMOGs too, you just see it less because it's under a new character name, or possibly on a different server.

[Dezzimal]

I agree that it does suck that we're still camping faf/aspid/kb. Theres still quite a bit more to FFXI than those 3 kings in terms of endgame. Right now ToAU is only a few months old, not even half the content released yet, maybe the king-killer gear will get released. I'm satisfied, but thats not the reason I'm staying. I like the people that I'm running endgame events with and I don't feel the desire to change.

[gemini~cusp]

In my eyes there should be a new sword or axe in the game that make ridill just a pretty good weapon but not the best, or that makes adaman hauberk something to use while you're waiting on the new best thing.

If this was to happen, and the gear was made easy to obtain then this game would become Diablo/Everquest2/WoW(to some extent). When everyone endgame runs around looking the exact same people begin to get bored and leave said game. I know countless friends that have done this. Diablo2 got hacked/drops were easy to get and then everyone got bored. In EQ2, top end gear was all from Raids and was easily obtainable. New gear is released, but is fairly easy to get. People got bored, sold accounts, or just quit and deleted.

WoW- Get your tier 2(correct me if I'm wrong) and then raids become boring as hell and worthless? Going by my roomate as an example. You go into instance, spam your hotkeys, get RB to drop what you want.

FFXI - You must first, A- get the claim, B- Kill it(the easiest part), C- Get the drop, and finally, D- Have the most points/luck casting lots.

There isn't as much rarity or "wow!" factor about a Koenig body/Valor Surcoat these days, but there sure is a hell of a lot more people running around in Adaman Bodys or AF1 at 75 than there is Koenig/AF2. There is always gear upgrades in FFXI to maximize your efficiency, but most all of it is situational or macro'd.

When it comes down to it, many hate it, but what makes this game keep going is the fact that you must compete with other linkshells and not just the mob. If we could all go in a instance and fight Fafnir/Nidhogg and get the drops, people would get bored of having the best gear, nothing to work for, and people would quit because everyone is the same.

Sounds like what happened in Earth Above and Beyond where everything just went to hell with everyone in the highest end game gear and what not. Undoubtedly everyone who plays FF WANTS the best and it will definately piss of players who do things over so many times only to be shit out of luck There is somethign good and bad to be said about it.

[Weltall]

In the end, it is what keeps many people playing. The day they put the 3 kings or body abjurations in a BCNM/ENM (no matter how hard it is) is the day I quit.

[Lockecole]

In the end, it is what keeps many people playing. The day they put the 3 kings or body abjurations in a BCNM/ENM (no matter how hard it is) is the day I quit.

Ding ding! And this is even truer of the JP community, when they see everyone in Koenig, they'll be gone in a second. STOP asking for abjurations in KS99s, SE knows its possible, but they don't do it for a reason. Wether that reason is a good one, (read: it isn't) they have a valid reason for it.

[kemigumi]

everyone's gonna quit both games for phantasy star universe anyway

[ertyu]

Camping faf on my server is literally the most fun I have in this game. All the NAs come together and play mind games with the JPs, then we get onto harassing eachother.

Just yesterday, JPs claimed faf with 10, at about 5 minutes till SSJ they escaped out (was at 48%), and someone from my LS CFHed it because we were all gonna beat on it while it was SSJ. There was so much confusion so it just sorta ran around the aery killing everyone while it was CFH. Another LS took the claim and started killing it (from 100%, un CFH) and then im not sure what happened but they got flailed. They thought the JPs dragged spiders through their faf so they CFHed it and it ran around, proceeding to kill everyone in the pit again (I believe it flailed once or twice while it was running around like that). Everyone is LOLing in say... even the fucking JPs were. And Ssizz that slut with her damn excalibur and aegis kept sending me tells saying "I want to provoke something!" and I believe 2 people got jailed for spamming random on the JPs... we finally took it and killed it, ridill

2nd best DA ever

[Faris]

heres a solution, swap the drops of the 4 wyrms with 3kings.

what the fuck, fighting 2-4hrs and u miiiiiiiiight get heralds gaiters, or a Rev. Helm. (jorm is a waste of time)

some might argue "well, we do it for the battle, not the item"

but those items stand as a medal, or a reward of the kill, and it aint worth it.

[Weltall]

PSU will be good. I just fear Sega's security will suck. Also, if I can't play with my JP friends from FFXI (they said maybe segregated servers) then I will not play.

I played PSO from day 1 Dreamcast V1.0. Its how I've known Ryko for so long. Can't wait to start a guild with him on PSU. I hope they keep the droprates EXTREMELY rare like PSO legit drops were.


Edit to Firas- I agree the Grand Wyrms need a better loot table, but not abjurations.

[aurik]

Don't know about you guys, but I don't camp 3kings daily, and still manage to have a good time playing this game. Nowadays, the armor they drop, with the exception of a very few pieces (hi2u ridill) is mostly only "situational" or has been reduced to "marginally better" than stuff available other ways.

[Lockecole]

heres a solution, swap the drops of the 4 wyrms with 3kings.

what the fuck, fighting 2-4hrs and u miiiiiiiiight get heralds gaiters, or a Rev. Helm. (jorm is a waste of time)

some might argue "well, we do it for the battle, not the item"

but those items stand as a medal, or a reward of the kill, and it aint worth it.

Competative camping for Jorm would be awesome...getting an ally up to the top of U.Range before other LSes would be great.

[aurik]

heres a solution, swap the drops of the 4 wyrms with 3kings.

what the fuck, fighting 2-4hrs and u miiiiiiiiight get heralds gaiters, or a Rev. Helm. (jorm is a waste of time)

some might argue "well, we do it for the battle, not the item"

but those items stand as a medal, or a reward of the kill, and it aint worth it.

Competative camping for Jorm would be awesome...getting an ally up to the top of U.Range before other LSes would be great.

/cue Sirlancelot picture.

[AriaEminence]

I've quit FFXI 3 times, gone to EQ2, EQ1, City of Heroes, Lineage 2, and finally to World of Warcraft.

The reason I keep coming back to FFXI is not to sit there and camp the 3 kings everyday, it's to play with the same friends I've been playing with for 3 years. Yes, I camp pretty much daily to see my friends get good gear - and although at times it's boring, it's also really awesome to see some of your best friends get equipped.

I've played WoW end-game up until the Twin Emperors in AQ40, so it's not like I got to level 30 and stopped and said "this game sux lol". I actually really enjoyed WoW's endgame, I would even say a lot of it is better than FFXI, but at the end of the day what it came down to was I was playing with a bunch of people that were strangers. So I came back to FFXI.

Don't really know why you made this topic. HEY LOOK ANOTHER DEAD HORSE ::readies stick::