What excactly did Taj do?

[Wizerd]

I don't think people should be upset at someone using hacks if it's only used to poke around new areas for curiosity.

If he's not affecting anybody else in a negative way (like stealing over a pooled resource/NM etc automatically or with an unfair advantage), and he's not getting any benefit for himself (like say duplicating gil), I don't see where the harm is, and I am kinda curious to know and glad that someone else is willing to get one of his own accounts banned just to satisfy that curiosity

The one problem I have always had with this argument is say if a person is using POS (not saying Taj is, as he has said he isn't) to access these zones, then they obviously have access to things like MrArgus and Fleetool. It's not much of a stretch to think that the same person could use other means in different situations.

It's not that hard to find cracked versions of the paid FFXIapp thing or w/e it's called.

I found a version myself but I have yet to open it because that might be stupid and I'd rather not have my account compromised.

[AriaEminence]

I don't think people should be upset at someone using hacks if it's only used to poke around new areas for curiosity.

If he's not affecting anybody else in a negative way (like stealing over a pooled resource/NM etc automatically or with an unfair advantage), and he's not getting any benefit for himself (like say duplicating gil), I don't see where the harm is, and I am kinda curious to know and glad that someone else is willing to get one of his own accounts banned just to satisfy that curiosity

The one problem I have always had with this argument is say if a person is using POS (not saying Taj is, as he has said he isn't) to access these zones, then they obviously have access to things like MrArgus and Fleetool. It's not much of a stretch to think that the same person could use other means in different situations.

It's not that hard to find cracked versions of the paid FFXIapp thing or w/e it's called.

I found a version myself but I have yet to open it because that might be stupid and I'd rather not have my account compromised.

Finding stuff like that takes about 3 minutes with google if you know what you're looking for honestly. I think that might be in fact the scariest part of all of this.

[Wizerd]

I don't think people should be upset at someone using hacks if it's only used to poke around new areas for curiosity.

If he's not affecting anybody else in a negative way (like stealing over a pooled resource/NM etc automatically or with an unfair advantage), and he's not getting any benefit for himself (like say duplicating gil), I don't see where the harm is, and I am kinda curious to know and glad that someone else is willing to get one of his own accounts banned just to satisfy that curiosity

The one problem I have always had with this argument is say if a person is using POS (not saying Taj is, as he has said he isn't) to access these zones, then they obviously have access to things like MrArgus and Fleetool. It's not much of a stretch to think that the same person could use other means in different situations.

It's not that hard to find cracked versions of the paid FFXIapp thing or w/e it's called.

I found a version myself but I have yet to open it because that might be stupid and I'd rather not have my account compromised.

Finding stuff like that takes about 3 minutes with google if you know what you're looking for honestly. I think that might be in fact the scariest part of all of this.

No, the scariest part is that despite how easy it is to find, people still actually pay for the program.

[Kuropiko]

I've already seen that spiralish set of open areas with tunnels connecting each floor in that "area model viewer" thing, just didn't know it was Hazhalm Testing Grounds.

These elevators and floor system feels like the Chrysler Building in Parasite Eve, or the Via Infinito in FFX-2. I feel we're gonna find in this area some kind of trial on each floor to gain access to the lower one, with maybe a key item or something to use the elevators to floors you've unlocked before.

That could be pretty nice for a mission thing.

[Koga]

I've already seen that spiralish set of open areas with tunnels connecting each floor in that "area model viewer" thing, just didn't know it was Hazhalm Testing Grounds.

These elevators and floor system feels like the Chrysler Building in Parasite Eve, or the Via Infinito in FFX-2. I feel we're gonna find in this area some kind of trial on each floor to gain access to the lower one, with maybe a key item or something to use the elevators to floors you've unlocked before.

That could be pretty nice for a mission thing.

Hmm never-ending Dungeon type of thing?
Like a BCNM Type of thing on every floor and with each completion you get to move down further and further.
After each BCNM you can open a chest for EXP / Items and it gets harder and harder the further down you go?
Drops could be something stupid like LL Boots all the way to Abj's on the very last floors?!

o wait.. im using my imagination.. as much fun as that would be.. SE isn't gonna do it.

[Airshort7]

I've already seen that spiralish set of open areas with tunnels connecting each floor in that "area model viewer" thing, just didn't know it was Hazhalm Testing Grounds.

These elevators and floor system feels like the Chrysler Building in Parasite Eve, or the Via Infinito in FFX-2. I feel we're gonna find in this area some kind of trial on each floor to gain access to the lower one, with maybe a key item or something to use the elevators to floors you've unlocked before.

That could be pretty nice for a mission thing.

Hmm never-ending Dungeon type of thing?
Like a BCNM Type of thing on every floor and with each completion you get to move down further and further.
After each BCNM you can open a chest for EXP / Items and it gets harder and harder the further down you go?
Drops could be something stupid like LL Boots all the way to Abj's on the very last floors?!

o wait.. im using my imagination.. as much fun as that would be.. SE isn't gonna do it.

Replace exp/items with 'lol you have 30 minutes to kill these 6 mammets, then move onto a robot, then move onto another robot as a mission' and Its quite the possibility.

It's just going to be an annoying mission I guarantee.

[Koga]

I've already seen that spiralish set of open areas with tunnels connecting each floor in that "area model viewer" thing, just didn't know it was Hazhalm Testing Grounds.

These elevators and floor system feels like the Chrysler Building in Parasite Eve, or the Via Infinito in FFX-2. I feel we're gonna find in this area some kind of trial on each floor to gain access to the lower one, with maybe a key item or something to use the elevators to floors you've unlocked before.

That could be pretty nice for a mission thing.

Hmm never-ending Dungeon type of thing?
Like a BCNM Type of thing on every floor and with each completion you get to move down further and further.
After each BCNM you can open a chest for EXP / Items and it gets harder and harder the further down you go?
Drops could be something stupid like LL Boots all the way to Abj's on the very last floors?!

o wait.. im using my imagination.. as much fun as that would be.. SE isn't gonna do it.

Replace exp/items with 'lol you have 30 minutes to kill these 6 mammets, then move onto a robot, then move onto another robot as a mission' and Its quite the possibility.

It's just going to be an annoying mission I guarantee.

Well.. in X-2 if you could warp out and back in between floors.. but then you didn't get the ultimate item. (Forgot what that was..gg 3 years ago lol)

More than likely another mission.
But at least those are more fun than Besseiged/Dynamis/HNM's/etc etc etc :3

[Airshort7]

Whats more fun than watching RMT hold a knight crab for 45 minutes?

[Koga]

Whats more fun than watching RMT hold a knight crab for 45 minutes?

Didn't they fix that?
I thought the PH's can go SSJ after a set amount of time now?

[genome]

I don't think people should be upset at someone using hacks if it's only used to poke around new areas for curiosity.

If he's not affecting anybody else in a negative way (like stealing over a pooled resource/NM etc automatically or with an unfair advantage), and he's not getting any benefit for himself (like say duplicating gil), I don't see where the harm is, and I am kinda curious to know and glad that someone else is willing to get one of his own accounts banned just to satisfy that curiosity

The one problem I have always had with this argument is say if a person is using POS (not saying Taj is, as he has said he isn't) to access these zones, then they obviously have access to things like MrArgus and Fleetool. It's not much of a stretch to think that the same person could use other means in different situations.

Not only is it "not much of a stretch", but frankly I think you'd be naive to think otherwise.

Ok, I guess I was just saying I wouldn't get upset for that 1 type of use, and obviously if he uses it for something else too, that's the stuff you can be upset or bothered about. It's like saying, if you have internet chances are you are going to use it to DL x-rated stuff (at some point)... Chances of that are probably very high in general, but there are still other uses of the internet that you would approve of even if you had a problem with x-rated material.. So I wouldn't immediately generalize and condemn. Anyways I guess I was just trying to identify more specifically where I would start disapproving of that type of hacking.
For example looking at .dat files is not a problem for me, same with parsers. But yeah I agree if someone used that type of hack to do anything other than sort of explore for the sake of pure curiosity, like during any actual normal in-game activity, that's where it becomes bad (like I said I am very disappointed that so many use argus and fleetool and SE doesn't do enough to fix it).

[Lordwafik]

I've already seen that spiralish set of open areas with tunnels connecting each floor in that "area model viewer" thing, just didn't know it was Hazhalm Testing Grounds.

These elevators and floor system feels like the Chrysler Building in Parasite Eve, or the Via Infinito in FFX-2. I feel we're gonna find in this area some kind of trial on each floor to gain access to the lower one, with maybe a key item or something to use the elevators to floors you've unlocked before.

That could be pretty nice for a mission thing.

Hmm never-ending Dungeon type of thing?
Like a BCNM Type of thing on every floor and with each completion you get to move down further and further.
After each BCNM you can open a chest for EXP / Items and it gets harder and harder the further down you go?
Drops could be something stupid like LL Boots all the way to Abj's on the very last floors?!

o wait.. im using my imagination.. as much fun as that would be.. SE isn't gonna do it.

They already did it, Limbus! Except no exp.

But I'd love to see a Via infinito in this FF, would fit perfectly into assault. Give it unlimited time , 100 floors, ability to warp back if you're flagged for it, etc. 3 man limit too Obviously the amount of damage taken/dealt would have to change, but who cares, would be fun.

[½pint]

I've already seen that spiralish set of open areas with tunnels connecting each floor in that "area model viewer" thing, just didn't know it was Hazhalm Testing Grounds.

These elevators and floor system feels like the Chrysler Building in Parasite Eve, or the Via Infinito in FFX-2. I feel we're gonna find in this area some kind of trial on each floor to gain access to the lower one, with maybe a key item or something to use the elevators to floors you've unlocked before.

That could be pretty nice for a mission thing.

Hmm never-ending Dungeon type of thing?
Like a BCNM Type of thing on every floor and with each completion you get to move down further and further.
After each BCNM you can open a chest for EXP / Items and it gets harder and harder the further down you go?
Drops could be something stupid like LL Boots all the way to Abj's on the very last floors?!

o wait.. im using my imagination.. as much fun as that would be.. SE isn't gonna do it.

They already did it, Limbus! Except no exp.

But I'd love to see a Via infinito in this FF, would fit perfectly into assault. Give it unlimited time , 100 floors, ability to warp back if you're flagged for it, etc. 3 man limit too Obviously the amount of damage taken/dealt would have to change, but who cares, would be fun.

Have it so that when you enter a floor, you only have 30 seconds before the mobs aggro you. This will encourage MP/HP conservation.

[Airshort7]

Whats more fun than watching RMT hold a knight crab for 45 minutes?

Didn't they fix that?
I thought the PH's can go SSJ after a set amount of time now?

They do but they just hold for 10 minutes, then another RMT in their group claims a fresh crab pop and they do it over and over until all their bots are fully operational.

[Koga]

I've already seen that spiralish set of open areas with tunnels connecting each floor in that "area model viewer" thing, just didn't know it was Hazhalm Testing Grounds.

These elevators and floor system feels like the Chrysler Building in Parasite Eve, or the Via Infinito in FFX-2. I feel we're gonna find in this area some kind of trial on each floor to gain access to the lower one, with maybe a key item or something to use the elevators to floors you've unlocked before.

That could be pretty nice for a mission thing.

Hmm never-ending Dungeon type of thing?
Like a BCNM Type of thing on every floor and with each completion you get to move down further and further.
After each BCNM you can open a chest for EXP / Items and it gets harder and harder the further down you go?
Drops could be something stupid like LL Boots all the way to Abj's on the very last floors?!

o wait.. im using my imagination.. as much fun as that would be.. SE isn't gonna do it.

They already did it, Limbus! Except no exp.

But I'd love to see a Via infinito in this FF, would fit perfectly into assault. Give it unlimited time , 100 floors, ability to warp back if you're flagged for it, etc. 3 man limit too Obviously the amount of damage taken/dealt would have to change, but who cares, would be fun.

Have it so that when you enter a floor, you only have 30 seconds before the mobs aggro you. This will encourage MP/HP conservation.

Give BLM's a large Diminishing Return so that they can't manaburn them either.

[Tilo]

I've already seen that spiralish set of open areas with tunnels connecting each floor in that "area model viewer" thing, just didn't know it was Hazhalm Testing Grounds.

These elevators and floor system feels like the Chrysler Building in Parasite Eve, or the Via Infinito in FFX-2. I feel we're gonna find in this area some kind of trial on each floor to gain access to the lower one, with maybe a key item or something to use the elevators to floors you've unlocked before.

That could be pretty nice for a mission thing.

Hmm never-ending Dungeon type of thing?
Like a BCNM Type of thing on every floor and with each completion you get to move down further and further.
After each BCNM you can open a chest for EXP / Items and it gets harder and harder the further down you go?
Drops could be something stupid like LL Boots all the way to Abj's on the very last floors?!

o wait.. im using my imagination.. as much fun as that would be.. SE isn't gonna do it.

They already did it, Limbus! Except no exp.

But I'd love to see a Via infinito in this FF, would fit perfectly into assault. Give it unlimited time , 100 floors, ability to warp back if you're flagged for it, etc. 3 man limit too Obviously the amount of damage taken/dealt would have to change, but who cares, would be fun.

Have it so that when you enter a floor, you only have 30 seconds before the mobs aggro you. This will encourage MP/HP conservation.

Give BLM's a large Diminishing Return so that they can't manaburn them either.

Or perhaps create some mobs magic resistant, and some mobs physical resistant, in order to allow both types of DD to feel useful.

[XxSlusherxx]

[quote=Tilo]

I've already seen that spiralish set of open areas with tunnels connecting each floor in that "area model viewer" thing, just didn't know it was Hazhalm Testing Grounds.

These elevators and floor system feels like the Chrysler Building in Parasite Eve, or the Via Infinito in FFX-2. I feel we're gonna find in this area some kind of trial on each floor to gain access to the lower one, with maybe a key item or something to use the elevators to floors you've unlocked before.

That could be pretty nice for a mission thing.

Hmm never-ending Dungeon type of thing?
Like a BCNM Type of thing on every floor and with each completion you get to move down further and further.
After each BCNM you can open a chest for EXP / Items and it gets harder and harder the further down you go?
Drops could be something stupid like LL Boots all the way to Abj's on the very last floors?!

o wait.. im using my imagination.. as much fun as that would be.. SE isn't gonna do it.

They already did it, Limbus! Except no exp.

But I'd love to see a Via infinito in this FF, would fit perfectly into assault. Give it unlimited time , 100 floors, ability to warp back if you're flagged for it, etc. 3 man limit too Obviously the amount of damage taken/dealt would have to change, but who cares, would be fun.

Have it so that when you enter a floor, you only have 30 seconds before the mobs aggro you. This will encourage MP/HP conservation.

Give BLM's a large Diminishing Return so that they can't manaburn them either.

Or perhaps create some mobs magic resistant, and some mobs physical resistant, in order to allow both types of DD to feel useful.[/quote:19e8d]

Like Aspid and Cerb?

[Ithorien]

I've already seen that spiralish set of open areas with tunnels connecting each floor in that "area model viewer" thing, just didn't know it was Hazhalm Testing Grounds.

These elevators and floor system feels like the Chrysler Building in Parasite Eve, or the Via Infinito in FFX-2. I feel we're gonna find in this area some kind of trial on each floor to gain access to the lower one, with maybe a key item or something to use the elevators to floors you've unlocked before.

That could be pretty nice for a mission thing.

Hmm never-ending Dungeon type of thing?
Like a BCNM Type of thing on every floor and with each completion you get to move down further and further.
After each BCNM you can open a chest for EXP / Items and it gets harder and harder the further down you go?
Drops could be something stupid like LL Boots all the way to Abj's on the very last floors?!

o wait.. im using my imagination.. as much fun as that would be.. SE isn't gonna do it.

http://asgardlinkshell.com/images/toau/3.jpg

Area is literally huge. There's around 6 of these incredibly big rooms, all connected with a downward spiral. It's quite hard to get a good shot of the place since the clipping in FFXItool is horrid.

[Dezzimal]

FFXItool can look at zone .dats?

[Tymon]

What exactly was in Nyzul? There was nothing in Alzadaal when I got in there, other than what looked like a unactive teleporter.

[Ithorien]

tool.exe is item viewer
tool2.exe is area viewer
tool3.exe is music
tool4.exe is "model viewer" for equip

http://www.platon.co.jp/~akake/ffxitool/