Cerberus mantle, how much does it sell for

[Kaylia]

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1633/fafnir8ge.jpg
Parsing of the last fight (Hcc = taru mnk, kay= war, other 3 dd were blm). Was a 11-12min kill I think (I used 11WS, and usually use ~1per minutes). Not the fastest but still decent with only 5DD.

We had melee song for about half the fight. We did light skillchain every minute (mistral --> dragon kick) instead of using our "strongest" ws. I used hrotti half of the fight to see if it would help me tank...it does not

Place 3 war/nin, 2brd and 1 whm and your dmg output for this pt is higher than 4blm,1brd, 1rdm. Oh, and they can tank or hold hate better to allow blm to nuke even more. I havent fought Nidhogg in months, but I'm pretty sure it would give similar result.

[Wizerd]

Kaylia, you either have some badass melee or shitty BLMs or a combo of both.. we had one SAM and one WAR; neither were close to BLMs, granted they were gimped and held back in order to make this SC. And I never ever claimed this to be efficient, but Fafnir is a joke of a fight and this is what we do when we can for fun and Nynja either thinks can't be done or his linkshell can't afford this for the safety of the fight. Later in the fight Bohoho and I died and still no melee came close to BLM damage. If a BLM death = kicked from ally or wipe to Fafnir in your linkshell, I pity you. Bio II is on the whole fight anyway; who sleeps Fafnir? It's not Bahamut; we didn't get an entire alliance Gigaflared; we crushed the melee in total; we won the fight without any risk at all; we got raise 3s; and we did more damage in a single nuke on the next Fafnir pop than has ever been on whatever server Nynja runs.

If you NIN tank Fafnir and he doesn't do [edit:]near or more damage than the BLMs[/edit] in the fight he needs to gear up a bit... BLMs can do 2000 dmg and then rest so they don't gain hate, while the NIN should be able to do 2000 dmg including a WS in the same amount of time, without the BLM pulling hate. See, the problem is to get that kind of BLM damage, you need to sacrafice a lot of -Enmity gear.

Also, MNK outdamages the NIN by a lot and doesn't gain hate because he's not provoking... if you as a BLM can beat a MNK meleeing Fafnir, you must be pretty fucking special.

(edited because my last paragraph contradicted my first)

Edit2: Aye WAR is hot but damn @ the TP it gives him.

[Roranora]

We had no NIN and rarely have a MNK (we have one total in our linkshell); I'm aware of their rape. MNK especially would constitute as badass melee when well-geared. From the Asurans I have seen, I don't think Dragon Kick would sacrifice a whole lot. You didn't have a SAM doing anything crazy and our WAR had to use GAxe today, not even a martial bhuj at that. If he could have used two 1h weapons, his DoT would've been much higher. 3 WAR/NIN isn't even an option in our small LS, and almost harder, 2 BRD. I think we've had attack songs at Fafnir once ever? Even still, I think your BLMs can do more than that, and even stronger in comparison when it's a BRDless melee and a BRDless+RDMless BLM. We've done a lot of Fafnirs without this crazy support job spam everyone else seems to have. I rest more for MP than rest because I'm borderline-hate.

[Kaylia]

Our BLM can do more for sure, but our melee can also do more :wink: Also, BLM are to some extent dependant of the melee skilchain since they will get resisted otherwise (not all the time, but enough to hurt their DoT).

I dunno about you, but thunder wont land for shit without threnody when I play. I get something like 50% resist rate with every elemental piece and 5/8 elemental merit. Water land more, but it's still far from being perfect.

I rest more for MP than rest because I'm borderline-hate.

I can pull hate, but after the first 4-5 thunders, I do need to rest for mp on BLM >_> It's particularly annoying when you get a spammy faf and there is no shell iv in your PT.

In any case, brd or no brd, there is no fafnir I (or another melee) don't pull hate for the majority of the fight. You don't have to hold back, or at least, not on war.

[Roranora]

Judging from your sig, your WAR is a lot more perfected than your BLM. Your resist rate sounds high and from that, damage comparisons accurate. (It's okay, my BLM is a lot more perfected than my WAR) I had one 50% Aero IV today (5/6) and one 50% Water IV (3/4), aside from DoTs and Bio II and scattered Drains (which creates generally a small skew in parses), those 2 spells and Thunder IV (5/5) were all I had time for, stopping to write the post today. '-' 13/15 is 86.7% (I think?) with full accuracy. It's worse on Nidhogg, but the only damage piece I really swap for skill on Fafnir is Stole for Torque. Prism over Merciful, Af1 over Af2 hat, Zenith over Af1 hands, Abyssal over Elemental Earring, Mahatma over Druid slops, Af2 feet over Nashira (I don't have anyway).

If anything, I'd use less skill for your BLM on the equipment, if you really are using every elemental piece as you said and then I mentioned, as well as finish the merits. We don't need a debate of where elemental skill isn't really any more productive on certain mobs vs INT in certain slots, but this is my suggestion.

And.. if wings are disturbing your MP resting, get some MND gear; 350 stoneskin on BLM isn't hard to get and wing won't break stoneskin even with your shell 2.. if it really is that much trouble for your mages to shell 4 you out of party.

[NynJa]

So I read all this over, and heres what I gathered:

I talk a lot of shit

[Dezzimal]

Static earring > Moldavite and even possibly better than novio. Its a raw 5% bonus as far as I know.

[Roranora]

You have 2 earrings and assuming MB maximum, it'd be Static+Novio, a net gain of 2 MAB over Static+Moldavite, which I had listed. And I'm flattered if Nynja of all people says I talk shit. 8)

[edgarfigaro]

Static earring > Moldavite and even possibly better than novio. Its a raw 5% bonus as far as I know.

it's the same bonus as AF2 gloves, which means it beats Z mitts+1 but not novio. I just didn't include it because I don't have it, so I can't test whether that bonus stacks with AF2 gloves or doesn't. If it doesn't, then it+zmitts+1 would be 1 more MAB, otherwise it's the same as AF2 gloves and moldavite. If it does stack, trash moldavite for it.

[Kaylia]

Judging from your sig, your WAR is a lot more perfected than your BLM. Your resist rate sounds high and from that, damage comparisons accurate. (It's okay, my BLM is a lot more perfected than my WAR) I had one 50% Aero IV today (5/6) and one 50% Water IV (3/4), aside from DoTs and Bio II and scattered Drains (which creates generally a small skew in parses), those 2 spells and Thunder IV (5/5) were all I had time for, stopping to write the post today. '-' 13/15 is 86.7% (I think?) with full accuracy. It's worse on Nidhogg, but the only damage piece I really swap for skill on Fafnir is Stole for Torque. Prism over Merciful, Af1 over Af2 hat, Zenith over Af1 hands, Abyssal over Elemental Earring, Mahatma over Druid slops, Af2 feet over Nashira (I don't have anyway).

If anything, I'd use less skill for your BLM on the equipment, if you really are using every elemental piece as you said and then I mentioned, as well as finish the merits. We don't need a debate of where elemental skill isn't really any more productive on certain mobs vs INT in certain slots, but this is my suggestion.

And.. if wings are disturbing your MP resting, get some MND gear; 350 stoneskin on BLM isn't hard to get and wing won't break stoneskin even with your shell 2.. if it really is that much trouble for your mages to shell 4 you out of party.

I don't have any ridill, I dont have alk or speed belt, I don't have any good neck piece. I don't have merit capped. I do have some good gear, but I'm still far from the "top"
My Blm pretty much have everything beside a good pair of boot and +5 ring, so it's not lacking either. Being a taru would probably help with the +7int, but I doubt it would change the result that much. The only thing I can say is my resist are a lot worse than that when im not nuking on threnody
On fafnir, I'm using AF1's hand, elemental torque, Weskit, HQ staves. Using Mahatma over those elemental+ pants for enmity and int and int in other slot.

About stoneskin, it's hard to hit 120mnd on mithra BLM, and without shell 4, it can hit more than that.

[Tilo]

kay only beat me by 116 damage omggg

[edgarfigaro]

About stoneskin, it's hard to hit 120mnd on mithra BLM, and without shell 4, it can hit more than that.

Kirin's Pole, Errant Hpl, Mahatma Slops is +28mnd off the bat. Add 3 from rostum and you shouldn't have your SS broken with wing if shell II is on. I'm taru, so I have lower mnd than mithra, so if mine isn't broken, your SS shouldn't be broken either.

[Asy]

My SS is rarely broken by wing on Fafnir as Brd with 35~ Mnd in SS macro, and gimpy enhancing. If it is broken, it's only for like 30ish damage, so I'm sure you could do it.

[threevo]

2 pages late but meh.

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/sjhockybc16-grem.jpg
single weather, no novio, or region control

[Dezzimal]

Wing hits me for more than 350 w/o shell. I have 347 damage absorption from stoneskin and fafnir will hit me for 0 more often than not if he takes a shot at me. I can tank for about 30 seconds barring no horrid roar/wing as BLM by chaining blink/stoneskin.

As taru BLM I swap in:

2x Sapphire (4mnd ea.) rings, kirins pole, errant hat, errant body, mahatma pants, rostrums, penitents rope, Prism Cape, Static Earring.

[Kaylia]

My SS is rarely broken by wing on Fafnir as Brd with 35~ Mnd in SS macro, and gimpy enhancing. If it is broken, it's only for like 30ish damage, so I'm sure you could do it.

Shell IV

kay only beat me by 116 damage omggg

Shame on you. You should have done 18000 dmg in that fight