Cerberus mantle, how much does it sell for

[Raineer]

You say "its up to the LS who claimed to do with as they please..." but your council member on your site goes on a large rant how your LS has the moral high-ground after ganking KB (off their doomed PLD mid-wipe, but a gank nevertheless) because they'd rather rot items rather than selling them to NAs. They're there for a legit EX drop, therefore isn't it up to that racist JPLS to do with the drops as they please?

You're taking that single post on their website too seriously. It was posted by one of the biggest assholes on Siren (being said by me that means something), and he was the reason I left the LS anyways. He likes to boss people around like a hardass and say whatever he wants just to piss people off.

Honestly and truly, the rest of the LS doesn't monopolize shit, sell abj's, or take "more than their fair share" of any NM on the server. The rest of the NA competition can't kill kings without bringing their complete A-game (or in some cases, borrowing from other LS's/practically shouting in jeuno), don't fault his LS for being the only ones with the dedication as a group to kill the shit over and over. About all they have 'nearly' enough of is Ridill's, they still need at least one of everything else (and more ridills always help too)

Actually I retract all that, you guys monopolize the fuck out of D.Feet, assholes.....

[draxyl]

Oh hell yes, I'd pay 75m for 1 str and 3 enmity as a melee...

[Lockecole]

I'm going to address the points your post in reverse order.

Actually, my dynamis group *does* invite guests to attend and lot on AF2 that we intend to rot if it drops. We've given away several pieces, which is a much more difficult organizational challenge compared to inviting someone in Aery who was there for ToD anyway. We've also had guests enter dynamis post-boss to snag the keyitem for clearing the zone. It's something nice that we can do that costs us nothing, so why wouldn't we?

Well then I commend you guys for putting the extra effort into giving people AF2 when they ask. Personally, we dont get many /tells from people asking for gear, only once in awhile, and most of the times its just a PLD asking for Aegish. (Since its really good for PLD). We would probably sell/give out more if we had more offers. Regardless Im pretty sure I recall ALOT of AF2 rotting in your LS, and obviously that cant be helped when it comes to Dynamis, its just the way things are. (I have 4/5 DRK AF2, my DRK is 21.)

You say "its up to the LS who claimed to do with as they please..." but your council member on your site goes on a large rant how your LS has the moral high-ground after ganking KB (off their doomed PLD mid-wipe, but a gank nevertheless) because they'd rather rot items rather than selling them to NAs. They're there for a legit EX drop, therefore isn't it up to that racist JPLS to do with the drops as they please?

We didnt gank it because they're camping for only D.Ring, we've watched OO (now QC) camp and claim/kill numerous KBs (probably about 30) and never done anything to their claims, no mater what...going white or anything. There's always been respect among LSes when it comes to that on Siren. Only till recently on two occasions has OO claimed with 3 (one being a voke mule) and 4, both instances there were 30 gilfarmers following KB to claim at any second, and both times they were on the verg of bringing the mob into chaos. (10% in 20mins is not on your way to win.)

ROTing abjurations is one thing we disagree with some of the JPLSes on our server, but we've been watching them do it for 2 years+ now. Its not why we claimed those KBs though. Trust me it would have happened a long time ago if that was the case.

As for Aegishjalmr, Hrotti, etc, and even e.hands, I've personally seen all these been given away to members of competing HNMLS for no charge. So to me it isn't a hypothetical question. It's a question that I've seen my old HNMLS answer much to my satisfaction, and it's a question that your LS will have to answer at some point too.

I meant its a hypothetical question to ask OUR LS, in that next to nothing rots here, except for obvious gear that will rot for any LS that has killed Fafnir more then 20 times. When we get to that point in our LS, we'll address it, but like I said, most of the time anyone who shows up to Faf LS wise is not in need of the gear anyway.

Angelsin's post seems to indicate that your policy is already decided; your shell will sell the abj if they are not needed internally. Despite the fact they are indeed "common drops" and given a few weeks the competitor stands a decent chance of getting it from his own claim, but regardless they are still needed by other people who do put in just as much time and effort as members on your team. Why do you charge them because they had bad luck and didn't get claim?

We may, and we may not, I'm very divided on the matter, and its something we've discussed alot. It's very dependant on who shows up, and wether or not we feel the person is worth giving to. (For instance there was a very cool DRG who would show up for N.Head for almost amonth, very nice JP, and he got his N.Head [not from us]) Frankly when you have 12-18 people at a camp, 2-5M for an item is next to nothing when split, and its not really worth it. Handing the item to the person for free or not selling at all is the more reasonable thing to do most of the time.

[epigram]

Not everyone wants enmity.

On cerberus I don't think anything is given away, all king/faf abj. last time I checked were sold or trashed when not needed.

[Wizerd]

I'm suprised that mantle sells for over 5m. The people I see walking around with it would be better off with foragers mantle. Theres like a better mantle for every job. I would sell NQ for 5m HQ for 20-25m.

Are ya stupid? You're saying Forager's Mantle is better than Cerberus Mantle... @_@; (even the NQ)

Well technically for pure DD purposes, Forager's(STR+3 ATT+15) is better then NQ (STR+3 ATT+12 ENM+3) hands down, since a pure DD doesnt want enmity (most of the time) and its 3 less attack. HQ on the other hand (STR+4 ATT+15 ENM+4) is amazing for just about any job, unless you're a DD that is in danger of pulling hate on an HNM. (Cerberus, Fafnir)

And yeah...not that we'll ever sell one, but we've had offers of 80M+ for HQs, so no way would an HQ go for 25M.

I bet you could get ~150m+ for an HQ mantle

[NynJa]

The idea of selling rare/ex items is fucking stupid anyway. You think you're showing respect to the community? Try giving them away, then maybe they'll actually like you instead of forcing themselves to buy from people they hate.

An old LS a while ago sold black belt items (or so some people said...I think they mostly just tossed them though). With enough pestering the leader, he gave in and let me lot for free.

Yay for prick leaders?

So items should be given to people because others dont wanna put the time and effort into camping/organizing an LS/killing HNMs? I'm sure you craft everything for free when others ask you, and give HQs away for others, even though they've invested no time in your craft, and instead just wanted to mooch off of your hardwork.

It is a SERVICE to those who do not spend the time to camp an HNM, if an LS lets them buy or have a specific item. Camping the kings is the most time consuming and non-productive activity probably in this whole game. To say LSes who camp kings OWE the rest of the server is rediculous. It is entirely up to the LS to do with the drops they dont need at the moment, AS LONG as they're there for a legit reason. (Not camping for only D.Rings and tossing everything else, or camping specifically to keep others from getting things.) 99% of people who buy things, or ask to buy are those who have never put anytime into camping the kings or have any chance to claim or kill. Nothing is owed to them by anyone else who puts the time in, just like you owe nothing to anyone else for the effort you put into what you do (crafting), and in no way are expected to share your profits with others.

So if an abj dropped that you didn't need and someone from another HNMLS that was also camping the monster was there, you would give it to them without charge? After all, they are putting in the time and the effort to be there, but are denied the opportunity because your team wanted first chance at other loots in the drop table, and your team had the better/only bot thus you got the claim.

fixed, ja?

[Lordwafik]

I'm going to address the points your post in reverse order.

Actually, my dynamis group *does* invite guests to attend and lot on AF2 that we intend to rot if it drops. We've given away several pieces, which is a much more difficult organizational challenge compared to inviting someone in Aery who was there for ToD anyway. We've also had guests enter dynamis post-boss to snag the keyitem for clearing the zone. It's something nice that we can do that costs us nothing, so why wouldn't we?

Well then I commend you guys for putting the extra effort into giving people AF2 when they ask. Personally, we dont get many /tells from people asking for gear, only once in awhile, and most of the times its just a PLD asking for Aegish. (Since its really good for PLD). We would probably sell/give out more if we had more offers. Regardless Im pretty sure I recall ALOT of AF2 rotting in your LS, and obviously that cant be helped when it comes to Dynamis, its just the way things are. (I have 4/5 DRK AF2, my DRK is 21.)

The only time a peice of AF2 rots in my dynamis LS, is if nobody has sent me a tell that week for it. I can't help af2 rotting if nobody wants it. We've had countless PLD af2 just fall to the ground, usually I tell my LS members before the run "If anyone has a <job> friend for this zone, let me know so they don't go to waste". Sometimes we get someone, sometimes we don't .

Also I only let people I trust inside, no way I'd take someone shady who's gonna ninja lot.

And in no way will I ever invite an outsider to lot AF2 during a DL run
/carbuncledramalama

[Krandor]

I'm going to address the points your post in reverse order.

Actually, my dynamis group *does* invite guests to attend and lot on AF2 that we intend to rot if it drops. We've given away several pieces, which is a much more difficult organizational challenge compared to inviting someone in Aery who was there for ToD anyway. We've also had guests enter dynamis post-boss to snag the keyitem for clearing the zone. It's something nice that we can do that costs us nothing, so why wouldn't we?

Well then I commend you guys for putting the extra effort into giving people AF2 when they ask. Personally, we dont get many /tells from people asking for gear, only once in awhile, and most of the times its just a PLD asking for Aegish. (Since its really good for PLD). We would probably sell/give out more if we had more offers. Regardless Im pretty sure I recall ALOT of AF2 rotting in your LS, and obviously that cant be helped when it comes to Dynamis, its just the way things are. (I have 4/5 DRK AF2, my DRK is 21.)

The only time a peice of AF2 rots in my dynamis LS, is if nobody has sent me a tell that week for it. I can't help af2 rotting if nobody wants it. We've had countless PLD af2 just fall to the ground, usually I tell my LS members before the run "If anyone has a <job> friend for this zone, let me know so they don't go to waste". Sometimes we get someone, sometimes we don't .

Also I only let people I trust inside, no way I'd take someone shady who's gonna ninja lot.

And in no way will I ever invite an outsider to lot AF2 during a DL run
/carbuncledramalama

Well at the least you'd be pretty assured they'd be in a party with a BLM so you could D2 them before the fight <_<

[NynJa]

I'm going to address the points your post in reverse order.

Actually, my dynamis group *does* invite guests to attend and lot on AF2 that we intend to rot if it drops. We've given away several pieces, which is a much more difficult organizational challenge compared to inviting someone in Aery who was there for ToD anyway. We've also had guests enter dynamis post-boss to snag the keyitem for clearing the zone. It's something nice that we can do that costs us nothing, so why wouldn't we?

Well then I commend you guys for putting the extra effort into giving people AF2 when they ask. Personally, we dont get many /tells from people asking for gear, only once in awhile, and most of the times its just a PLD asking for Aegish. (Since its really good for PLD). We would probably sell/give out more if we had more offers. Regardless Im pretty sure I recall ALOT of AF2 rotting in your LS, and obviously that cant be helped when it comes to Dynamis, its just the way things are. (I have 4/5 DRK AF2, my DRK is 21.)

The only time a peice of AF2 rots in my dynamis LS, is if nobody has sent me a tell that week for it. I can't help af2 rotting if nobody wants it. We've had countless PLD af2 just fall to the ground, usually I tell my LS members before the run "If anyone has a <job> friend for this zone, let me know so they don't go to waste". Sometimes we get someone, sometimes we don't .

Also I only let people I trust inside, no way I'd take someone shady who's gonna ninja lot.

And in no way will I ever invite an outsider to lot AF2 during a DL run
/carbuncledramalama

Well at the least you'd be pretty assured they'd be in a party with a BLM so you could D2 them before the fight <_<

/pcmd leave

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Honestly.....

We kill it on Unicorn for the sole purpose of keeping Algol out of a DRK's hands. A sword so emo that it contains 2 blades so one can slit both wrists at the same time is not to be toyed with.

Die ; ;

[Angelsin]

Well now, whinny ppl looking for something to bitch about. How original.

How is it what I said 'wrong' or whatever it is your trying to claim? So what is more respectful - throwing away an item or selling it to someone that needs it? You do realize that sometimes ppl kill an HNM for more than just 1 drop right? And sometimes they don't get that drop right?

LS1 "Congrats on killing KB! drops!"
LS2 "M legs.... our 18th fucking pair. They going to get auto'd to some whm too I think. No one needs it."
LS1 "Could we buy it or have it or whatever? ^^;"
LS2 "lol funny we'd rather throw abj's away or give them to someone that hasn't unlocked the job yet."

I'm sorry I fail to see how getting something you don't need and selling it is disrespectful to other ppl. Yes selling it, or giving it away. Mine/Your/his/her LS claimed the HNM, you/they can do whatever the fuck you/they want with the drops. I happen to believe in selling the items we don't need/want. And why not? I just don't understand this statement at all:

You say "its up to the LS who claimed to do with as they please..." but your council member on your site goes on a large rant how your LS has the moral high-ground after ganking KB (off their doomed PLD mid-wipe, but a gank nevertheless) because they'd rather rot items rather than selling them to NAs. They're there for a legit EX drop, therefore isn't it up to that racist JPLS to do with the drops as they please?

Yes they can do whatever they want with the drops. And they've been tossing them. Is that repectful? Not imo but that's what they do. Did you happen to even read what I wrote? Or were you just skimming though to find something you could hopefully bitch about? KB went unclaimed in front of like 50 gil sellers while their pld was pretty much dead. Do you think gil sellers honor claims? Are you really that stupid? And just because we were the ones that ended up with claim doesn't mean we were the only ones that tried to claim.

I guess I'm an asshole for thinking that items that are not needed or wanted could be given to ppl that may or may not have the ability to kill these HNMs. SE should just give us a drop down menu when we kill an HNM so we can pick our items we want so that we don't end up with items we don't need from an HNM. Who doesn't want a Ridill selector!?!

As for locke's comment I thought we did sell an abj (N head) awhile ago. Like almost a year. I remember saying I didn't want one for my brd and didn't have war lvled at the time. Since then however we have had a lot of ppl lvling other jobs. And look at this! What's our fafnir kill count locke? 100 now? And we still need E hands. I also have to admit it's nice getting A hands from fafnir to avoid a trip to sky. Regardless, we haven't sold a king abj yet and probably won't, unless someone REALLY wants D feet lol, then we'd have to think about that. And why won't we sell king abj's? It's really amazing like when we get everything we want from an HNM we'd just stop camping it. Un-fucking-believable huh? Those are some pretty dangerous thoughts huh? Not camping an HNM? BLASPHEMY! Cerberus is different however. 25-30M Algol sales for a GS that only a drk would fully utilize from an HNM that pops in a relatively short amount of time compared to the 3 kings. On top of that the complete lack of competition makes this a very nice money HNM. But when the Algols/Mantles stop selling (or become not worth the time and effort like locke said about 2M items / 18 ppl ) you won't see us there killing Cerberus to "keep algols rare wwwwwwwwwwww".

You're taking that single post on their website too seriously. It was posted by one of the biggest assholes on Siren (being said by me that means something), and he was the reason I left the LS anyways. He likes to boss people around like a hardass and say whatever he wants just to piss people off.

Yes I am an asshole. Thanks for remembering Rain. I'm an asshole because I happen to think that when you are making an arguement to something you don't change the subject because someone proves you wrong. Crazy thoughts I know.

[aurik]

Well now, whinny ppl looking for something to bitch about. How original.

How is it what I said 'wrong' or whatever it is your trying to claim? So what is more respectful - throwing away an item or selling it to someone that needs it? You do realize that sometimes ppl kill an HNM for more than just 1 drop right? And sometimes they don't get that drop right?

LS1 "Congrats on killing KB! drops!"
LS2 "M legs.... our 18th fucking pair. They going to get auto'd to some whm too I think. No one needs it."
LS1 "Could we buy it or have it or whatever? ^^;"
LS2 "lol funny we'd rather throw abj's away or give them to someone that hasn't unlocked the job yet."

I'm sorry I fail to see how getting something you don't need and selling it is disrespectful to other ppl. Yes selling it, or giving it away. Mine/Your/his/her LS claimed the HNM, you/they can do whatever the fuck you/they want with the drops. I happen to believe in selling the items we don't need/want. And why not? I just don't understand this statement at all:

You say "its up to the LS who claimed to do with as they please..." but your council member on your site goes on a large rant how your LS has the moral high-ground after ganking KB (off their doomed PLD mid-wipe, but a gank nevertheless) because they'd rather rot items rather than selling them to NAs. They're there for a legit EX drop, therefore isn't it up to that racist JPLS to do with the drops as they please?

Yes they can do whatever they want with the drops. And they've been tossing them. Is that repectful? Not imo but that's what they do. Did you happen to even read what I wrote? Or were you just skimming though to find something you could hopefully bitch about? KB went unclaimed in front of like 50 gil sellers while their pld was pretty much dead. Do you think gil sellers honor claims? Are you really that stupid? And just because we were the ones that ended up with claim doesn't mean we were the only ones that tried to claim.

I guess I'm an asshole for thinking that items that are not needed or wanted could be given to ppl that may or may not have the ability to kill these HNMs. SE should just give us a drop down menu when we kill an HNM so we can pick our items we want so that we don't end up with items we don't need from an HNM. Who doesn't want a Ridill selector!?!

As for locke's comment I thought we did sell an abj (N head) awhile ago. Like almost a year. I remember saying I didn't want one for my brd and didn't have war lvled at the time. Since then however we have had a lot of ppl lvling other jobs. And look at this! What's our fafnir kill count locke? 100 now? And we still need E hands. I also have to admit it's nice getting A hands from fafnir to avoid a trip to sky. Regardless, we haven't sold a king abj yet and probably won't, unless someone REALLY wants D feet lol, then we'd have to think about that. And why won't we sell king abj's? It's really amazing like when we get everything we want from an HNM we'd just stop camping it. Un-fucking-believable huh? Those are some pretty dangerous thoughts huh? Not camping an HNM? BLASPHEMY! Cerberus is different however. 25-30M Algol sales for a GS that only a drk would fully utilize from an HNM that pops in a relatively short amount of time compared to the 3 kings. On top of that the complete lack of competition makes this a very nice money HNM. But when the Algols/Mantles stop selling (or become not worth the time and effort like locke said about 2M items / 18 ppl ) you won't see us there killing Cerberus to "keep algols rare wwwwwwwwwwww".

You're taking that single post on their website too seriously. It was posted by one of the biggest assholes on Siren (being said by me that means something), and he was the reason I left the LS anyways. He likes to boss people around like a hardass and say whatever he wants just to piss people off.

Yes I am an asshole. Thanks for remembering Rain. I'm an asshole because I happen to think that when you are making an arguement to something you don't change the subject because someone proves you wrong. Crazy thoughts I know.

You're a few hours late to the party. And please read (and comprehend) the entire thread before speaking; I don't enjoy repeating myself endlessly.

[Angelsin]

I did. In fact I read it twice to try and understand why someone would derail a topic based on me saying on another forum that I believe in selling shit that's not needed. You really are bored at work huh?

Your really not in a position to talk about not reading when you clearly didn't read what I wrote on that forum either. Nice try though.

[Lockecole]

I did. In fact I read it twice to try and understand why someone would derail a topic based on me saying on another forum that I believe in selling shit that's not needed. You really are bored at work huh?

Your really not in a position to talk about not reading when you clearly didn't read what I wrote on that forum either. Nice try though.

I think he's referring to the fact that I've already addressed most of the issues he brought up, and explained from our point of view, what exactly was happening in those situations, in more depth then our news section went into. I think Aurik is saying that he understands a little better where we're coming from now, and that your reply was kinda too late.

[aurik]

I did. In fact I read it twice to try and understand why someone would derail a topic based on me saying on another forum that I believe in selling shit that's not needed. You really are bored at work huh?

Your really not in a position to talk about not reading when you clearly didn't read what I wrote on that forum either. Nice try though.

Let me summarize this topic for you, since you're having so much difficulty that you've read it twice and still can't follow:

Maxx: hey why camp if you don't need the stuff
Aurik: why argue since they believe in selling abjurations.
Locke: no we don't sell abjurations
Aurik: what about this post from your site?
Locke: Angelsin is just talking out of his ass. Plus, we need some things from cerb still anyway
Aurik: so for clarification, you'd give away abj/rot drops to honorable competitors
Locke: probably, but it hasn't come up
<hours pass>
Angelsin: OMG I FORGOT MY HYPERTENSION MEDICINE WTF OMG

[epigram]

I think you kinda jumbled up the whole giving away and selling part into one mess. While Aurik's point was about giving away items instead of selling/rotting them.

[Seebo]

lol @ this thread

[Angelsin]

I did. In fact I read it twice to try and understand why someone would derail a topic based on me saying on another forum that I believe in selling shit that's not needed. You really are bored at work huh?

Your really not in a position to talk about not reading when you clearly didn't read what I wrote on that forum either. Nice try though.

Let me summarize this topic for you, since you're having so much difficulty that you've read it twice and still can't follow:

Maxx: hey why camp if you don't need the stuff
Aurik: why argue since they believe in selling abjurations.
Locke: no we don't sell abjurations
Aurik: what about this post from your site?
Locke: Angelsin is just talking out of his ass. Plus, we need some things from cerb still anyway
Aurik: so for clarification, you'd give away abj/rot drops to honorable competitors
Locke: probably, but it hasn't come up
<hours pass>
Angelsin: OMG I FORGOT MY HYPERTENSION MEDICINE WTF OMG

Yes I R NUB for not fully trolling this site as much as lok or yourself and catching your comments sooner. I bow to your superiority. You are the best.

I think you kinda jumbled up the whole giving away and selling part into one mess. While Aurik's point was about giving away items instead of selling/rotting them.

A far better way of stating there was confusion than ranting like a child. Locke said that we never sold an abj, while I said that I'm pretty sure we did a long time ago (an N head). Since then we've had ppl lvl jobs that need those items dropped off fafnir so we've haven't sold any abj (if we did - I did say 'I think we sold one').

As for why sell instead of giving it away, I'm just going to repeat locke pretty much. Why not sell? Generally speaking, the faster you want something the more you have to pay for it. If that person is willing to spend ___ gil on an item to get it NOW instead of waiting to claim the HNM for themselves that's just the cost of doing business so to speak. I don't have a problem with giving items away either instead of having them rot. However on BB items there has been times ppl have sent tells 'outbidding' another person. Why wouldn't we take advantage of that? I'm sorry but until I hear of ppl gathering to kill something like Tiamat and giving the gaiters to someone outside their LS free of charge I just don't feel anyone has much ground to criticize another LS's choice to sell abj's/BB items or whatever to other ppl. When they are they're after an abj and didn't get it that is. I already stated that my LS wouldn't camp an HNM where we didn't need something in hopes of selling the abj's the HNM dropped. I may be an asshole but not even I'm that much of an asshole to want to do that. :wink:

[aurik]

I did. In fact I read it twice to try and understand why someone would derail a topic based on me saying on another forum that I believe in selling shit that's not needed. You really are bored at work huh?

Your really not in a position to talk about not reading when you clearly didn't read what I wrote on that forum either. Nice try though.

Let me summarize this topic for you, since you're having so much difficulty that you've read it twice and still can't follow:

Maxx: hey why camp if you don't need the stuff
Aurik: why argue since they believe in selling abjurations.
Locke: no we don't sell abjurations
Aurik: what about this post from your site?
Locke: Angelsin is just talking out of his ass. Plus, we need some things from cerb still anyway
Aurik: so for clarification, you'd give away abj/rot drops to honorable competitors
Locke: probably, but it hasn't come up
<hours pass>
Angelsin: OMG I FORGOT MY HYPERTENSION MEDICINE WTF OMG

Yes I R NUB for not fully trolling this site as much as lok or yourself and catching your comments sooner. I bow to your superiority. You are the best.

k

I think you kinda jumbled up the whole giving away and selling part into one mess. While Aurik's point was about giving away items instead of selling/rotting them.

A far better way of stating there was confusion than ranting like a child. Locke said that we never sold an abj, while I said that I'm pretty sure we did a long time ago (an N head). Since then we've had ppl lvl jobs that need those items dropped off fafnir so we've haven't sold any abj (if we did - I did say 'I think we sold one').

As for why sell instead of giving it away, I'm just going to repeat locke pretty much. Why not sell? Generally speaking, the faster you want something the more you have to pay for it. If that person is willing to spend ___ gil on an item to get it NOW instead of waiting to claim the HNM for themselves that's just the cost of doing business so to speak. I don't have a problem with giving items away either instead of having them rot. However on BB items there has been times ppl have sent tells 'outbidding' another person. Why wouldn't we take advantage of that? I'm sorry but until I hear of ppl gathering to kill something like Tiamat and giving the gaiters to someone outside their LS free of charge I just don't feel anyone has much ground to criticize another LS's choice to sell abj's/BB items or whatever to other ppl. When they are they're after an abj and didn't get it that is. I already stated that my LS wouldn't camp an HNM where we didn't need something in hopes of selling the abj's the HNM dropped. I may be an asshole but not even I'm that much of an asshole to want to do that. :wink:

"O hay our bot was better than yours today. Therefore you should pay us X million for this drop that we got but are going to trash."

Did someone say something about respect?

[Tyche]

So giving them abjurations when they bot would be respectful? I know it was sarcastic, but id spit on a m body and give it to a career WHM in my LS before id give it to an LS that botted against me.