Annoying non-crafters

[Raineer]

Nice twist on the "noob to crafting" doesn't get how much things cost...

Weirdo >>> my friend had is SH stolen can you help?
Me >> you mean make a new one?
Weirdo >> well he's going to quit if he doesn't have one
Me >> Ok... i can make one if you have ingredients
Weirdo >>> oh about that I'm only lvl 50 and have never seen 1mil
Me >> right, so you want a free one?
Weirdo >> It would stop him quitting
Me >> yea I'm going to pass on that
Weirdo >> what if i brought ingredients
Me >> well thats how these things normally work out
Weirdo >> why is it so expensive?
Me >> Venemous Claw 2.x mil
Weirdo >> thats more than a normal Harness.
Werido >> CAN YOU MAKE A +1
Werido >> SORRY CAPS
Me >> bring me materials I charge 1mil for a hq
Weirdo >> I can't afford the materials
Me >> O K ...

I was amazed at how many people thought Vermy only took 1 Damascene Cloth, I had soo soo many people come to me with like 2m asking for a deal (this is back when they cost 10 and cloths were 3.5).

[Lordwafik]

Occasionally when I see someone shouting for a cluster, I synth it for free, if they tip, yay, if not, I don't care.

Anyway so this dude was shouting for a bit, and uhhh just read...

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8187/idiotvw0.jpg

Basically despite the fact I've synthed 9+ clusters, and am way over the cap, I am untrustworthy and I wanna steal his cluster to sell for a measly 800k. He wanted me to give him a deposit, as if I'm the one who owes him something , and when the synth was done, if I smash it, he keeps my items, wtf?

Seriously, non crafters gotta realize who's doing who a fucking favour.

Normally I blur names but this was beyond dumb.

[Erza]

lmao @ that, I'd get mad pissed off

[Blueshawk]

Occasionally when I see someone shouting for a cluster, I synth it for free, if they tip, yay, if not, I don't care.

Anyway so this dude was shouting for a bit, and uhhh just read...

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8187/idiotvw0.jpg

Basically despite the fact I've synthed 9+ clusters, and am way over the cap, I am untrustworthy and I wanna steal his cluster to sell for a measly 800k. He wanted me to give him a deposit, as if I'm the one who owes him something , and when the synth was done, if I smash it, he keeps my items, wtf?

Seriously, non crafters gotta realize who's doing who a fucking favour.

Normally I blur names but this was beyond dumb.

hopefully his cluster never gets synthed

what a tardkart

[Rilu]

I don't get why all you crafters get uppity about non-crafters. Just because they don't craft doesn't mean they need to be ridiculed. They are asking you these questions about what materials they need, and how synthing works because they don't know, and you obviously do. Don't expect people to go off and look at internet sites to get all their information, thats the great thing about this game, is you can talk to other players and find out the information you need.

When I first started this game over 3 years ago, I was a lvl 18 whm trying to get to jeuno. I was lost in jugner forest and a JP whm came running by and asked in broken english if I was lost. I explained I was trying to get to Jeuno, but had no maps. He/She said "Follow me" and invited me to pty and showed me the way........... "showed" me the way, didn't say "Go to the F'n Internet you Noob and look up a map" etc etc.

Guess what, when all of us started, we all asked other players who had more experience about stuff. They see a piece of equipment on a high level player, and don't know where to get it from, or how its made, so they ask a crafter.

I have countless people ask me to craft things, and they'll ask "Hey, I want to pay (price on AH, but none up usually) for this Blessed mitts, or blessed trousers, etc,- I explain I don't have any, but i'll synth them one no problem, just bring me the materials. they usually send a message saying "Wow, the materials are like 150K more than the selling price of the gear" and I explain that Yes, with crafting, usually we take a loss when we craft stuff if it isn't a HQ. He understands, brings me the materials and I craft him the gear he wants. Then usually gives me a tip for the help (generally 30-50K). I never charge people to synth anything, only accept it if they offer themselves. That happens at least 3-5 times a week. From useless gear for the CoP subligar quests, to expensive synths.

[aurik]

I don't get why all you crafters get uppity about non-crafters. Just because they don't craft doesn't mean they need to be ridiculed. They are asking you these questions about what materials they need, and how synthing works because they don't know, and you obviously do. Don't expect people to go off and look at internet sites to get all their information, thats the great thing about this game, is you can talk to other players and find out the information you need.

When I first started this game over 3 years ago, I was a lvl 18 whm trying to get to jeuno. I was lost in jugner forest and a JP whm came running by and asked in broken english if I was lost. I explained I was trying to get to Jeuno, but had no maps. He/She said "Follow me" and invited me to pty and showed me the way........... "showed" me the way, didn't say "Go to the F'n Internet you Noob and look up a map" etc etc.

Guess what, when all of us started, we all asked other players who had more experience about stuff. They see a piece of equipment on a high level player, and don't know where to get it from, or how its made, so they ask a crafter.

I have countless people ask me to craft things, and they'll ask "Hey, I want to pay (price on AH, but none up usually) for this Blessed mitts, or blessed trousers, etc,- I explain I don't have any, but i'll synth them one no problem, just bring me the materials. they usually send a message saying "Wow, the materials are like 150K more than the selling price of the gear" and I explain that Yes, with crafting, usually we take a loss when we craft stuff if it isn't a HQ. He understands, brings me the materials and I craft him the gear he wants. Then usually gives me a tip for the help (generally 30-50K). I never charge people to synth anything, only accept it if they offer themselves. That happens at least 3-5 times a week. From useless gear for the CoP subligar quests, to expensive synths.

Sorry, I'm too busy to hold every newbies hand when it comes to crafting. If you are a newbie and you don't know stuff, that's fine. If you're a noob and you refuse to educate yourself, I'm going to laugh at you.

[wop]

Sorry, I'm too busy to hold every newbies hand when it comes to crafting. If you are a newbie and you don't know stuff, that's fine. If you're a noob and you refuse to educate yourself, I'm going to laugh at you.

I concur.

[Kyreth]

By the point at which you need a vermy/optical hat/whatever, you should also know that knowing in advance what you need keeps you from looking like a moron. It takes five minutes to look these things up. That's it.

The recipes are easily looked up. If you want me to make you something that costs millions of Gil...and you can't develop a clue as to WHY it costs that much...don't ask.

I've had people hand me 500K for materials to try and make them a vermillion cloak. They didn't even look up the materials, nor the price. I've had people demand I make them an HQ on an item or "I won't deal with you, there's plenty of other crafters who can easily HQ this."...before I can even explain to them that you don't "easily" get HQ's on a 98+ skill items and I don't do them to begin with.

Yeah, you go find those guys for me. I swear, if servers had crafter boards, we'd have a /blist a mile long.

[Narse]

The biggest irritant for me is whe people ask for SH (particularly SH+1), and have like 20k to their name.

Dumbass>> can u make me a sh+1
>>Dumbass: I can. 700k @ HQ ok?
Dumbass>> i dont have 700k
>>Dumbass: Do you have the V. claw?
Dumbass>> wats that
>>Dumbass: It's the item you need to make a SH.
Dumbass>> were is it on ah
>>Dumbass: Under Bonecraft
Dumbass>> wow why is it so expensive
>>Dumbass: Cause it makes a good piece of armor and it's not easy to obtain?
Dumbass>> i only have 120k can you make me one

I mean, seriously, do people think that crafters just buy materials for 100k and make a 2mil item with it? A bunch of fucking idiots.

Then I get the people who ask me to make them some expensive item (out of my own pocket) to GIVE to them because they know I have a lot of money.

..or assholes like this guy:

http://www.shardofapathy.com/Narse/kannon.png

[kihre]

I don't get why all you crafters get uppity about non-crafters. Just because they don't craft doesn't mean they need to be ridiculed. They are asking you these questions about what materials they need, and how synthing works because they don't know, and you obviously do. Don't expect people to go off and look at internet sites to get all their information, thats the great thing about this game, is you can talk to other players and find out the information you need.

When I first started this game over 3 years ago, I was a lvl 18 whm trying to get to jeuno. I was lost in jugner forest and a JP whm came running by and asked in broken english if I was lost. I explained I was trying to get to Jeuno, but had no maps. He/She said "Follow me" and invited me to pty and showed me the way........... "showed" me the way, didn't say "Go to the F'n Internet you Noob and look up a map" etc etc.

Guess what, when all of us started, we all asked other players who had more experience about stuff. They see a piece of equipment on a high level player, and don't know where to get it from, or how its made, so they ask a crafter.

I have countless people ask me to craft things, and they'll ask "Hey, I want to pay (price on AH, but none up usually) for this Blessed mitts, or blessed trousers, etc,- I explain I don't have any, but i'll synth them one no problem, just bring me the materials. they usually send a message saying "Wow, the materials are like 150K more than the selling price of the gear" and I explain that Yes, with crafting, usually we take a loss when we craft stuff if it isn't a HQ. He understands, brings me the materials and I craft him the gear he wants. Then usually gives me a tip for the help (generally 30-50K). I never charge people to synth anything, only accept it if they offer themselves. That happens at least 3-5 times a week. From useless gear for the CoP subligar quests, to expensive synths.

I'm fine with helping someone out, that's why i don't charge for most synths...

But when a person with multiple lvl 75 jobs asks me what the price of gold thread is at a guild in a zone where i'm not at... That's just retarded and i will laugh at them, then tell them to go check themselves.

[Immortaldonut]

or the guy who kept asking me if i could make arhat's hakama+1 for him because he didn't want to pay 700k for them. and after explaining to him why they were 700k, he said that the price is still ridiculous and that crafters are greedy bastards and that it should be a service to everyone else.

[Sidanoir]

I hate when people I dont' know get emo about getting charged for HQ....
They just assume crafter = make money so easy...cause yeah all NQs make profit and HQs are guaranteed etc.
I have had way too many noobs argue with me about how its THEIR materials so I shouldn't charge....
Cause yeah they leveled smithing to 100 over the course of a year and all my subs right?
People like that who bitch about getting charged for HQ, I offer them the follow suggestion:
Have fun wearing your damascus ingot, 3 darksteel chains, 2 darksteel sheets velvet and silk cloths.

[NynJa]

When I first started this game over 3 years ago, I was a lvl 18 whm trying to get to jeuno. I was lost in jugner forest and a JP whm came running by and asked in broken english if I was lost. I explained I was trying to get to Jeuno, but had no maps. He/She said "Follow me" and invited me to pty and showed me the way........... "showed" me the way, didn't say "Go to the F'n Internet you Noob and look up a map" etc etc.

Guess what, when all of us started, we all asked other players who had more experience about stuff. They see a piece of equipment on a high level player, and don't know where to get it from, or how its made, so they ask a crafter.

I dont think this lv70ish dude asking to get a cluster synthed is a someone who is just starting this game.

[Sanoske]

I don't get why all you crafters get uppity about non-crafters. Just because they don't craft doesn't mean they need to be ridiculed. They are asking you these questions about what materials they need, and how synthing works because they don't know, and you obviously do. Don't expect people to go off and look at internet sites to get all their information, thats the great thing about this game, is you can talk to other players and find out the information you need.

When I first started this game over 3 years ago, I was a lvl 18 whm trying to get to jeuno. I was lost in jugner forest and a JP whm came running by and asked in broken english if I was lost. I explained I was trying to get to Jeuno, but had no maps. He/She said "Follow me" and invited me to pty and showed me the way........... "showed" me the way, didn't say "Go to the F'n Internet you Noob and look up a map" etc etc.

Guess what, when all of us started, we all asked other players who had more experience about stuff. They see a piece of equipment on a high level player, and don't know where to get it from, or how its made, so they ask a crafter.

I have countless people ask me to craft things, and they'll ask "Hey, I want to pay (price on AH, but none up usually) for this Blessed mitts, or blessed trousers, etc,- I explain I don't have any, but i'll synth them one no problem, just bring me the materials. they usually send a message saying "Wow, the materials are like 150K more than the selling price of the gear" and I explain that Yes, with crafting, usually we take a loss when we craft stuff if it isn't a HQ. He understands, brings me the materials and I craft him the gear he wants. Then usually gives me a tip for the help (generally 30-50K). I never charge people to synth anything, only accept it if they offer themselves. That happens at least 3-5 times a week. From useless gear for the CoP subligar quests, to expensive synths.

That's my general stance on things. Unless the person is being a complete douche, and should obviously know better... I'll do what I can. Sometimes I get lucky and I'll have someone who I think I can help, and they turn out to be /facepalm.

Player /shout Clothcraft 53+ Help me out!
Me>> What do ya need?
Player>> Are you a clothcrafter?
Me>> I suppose so... 90+2, whats up?
Player>> how do I make money.. what are good to HQ?
Me>> Um... do a little research. Figure out what tiers you can break and go from there.
Player>> ... what are tiers?
Me>> What lvl CC are you?
Player>> 53
Me>> You got to 53 in a craft and you dont what tiers are??
Player>> im kinda a crafting noob
Me>> You're 53! Here... go do some research before you craft anymore.
Player>> can you give me on or two things to make?
Me>> Nope. I'm a big believer in finding things out for yourself. I know that's not what you're looking for but you'll thank me for it later on.

After that just gave him some links(somepage, alla) where he could find recipes and forums. He took it in stride tho, and that says something, I think.

Luckily I've managed to avoid most assholes, few clueless people... but no assholes, really.

[Jg]

I don't get why all you crafters get uppity about non-crafters...When I first started this game over 3 years ago, I was a lvl 18 whm trying to get to jeuno. I was lost in jugner forest...

When it comes to helping people out, imo a person being lost or needing help to do something falls into a different category than people who directly target you with tells and ask for free equipment, synthesis so they can sell items for profit, or just straight asking for gil. One situation is annoying, the other is not.

[Rilu]

I hate when people I dont' know get emo about getting charged for HQ....
They just assume crafter = make money so easy...cause yeah all NQs make profit and HQs are guaranteed etc.
I have had way too many noobs argue with me about how its THEIR materials so I shouldn't charge....
Cause yeah they leveled smithing to 100 over the course of a year and all my subs right?
People like that who bitch about getting charged for HQ, I offer them the follow suggestion:
Have fun wearing your damascus ingot, 3 darksteel chains, 2 darksteel sheets velvet and silk cloths.

I can understand charging someone for an HQ- but some of the rates i've seen for people who HQ stuff for people is outrageous. I think us crafters need to remember, the synths people come to you with, and provide you with materials for are at NO risk to you. If you want to charge for the synth, fine- charge, but you should ALWAYS stipulate how much you will charge them if it HQ's before you ever synth it, and then let the person decide what they'd like to do.

The smither I got to do my Barone Corazza charges 50K a synth, and we talked about HQ and he said "HQ- {incredibly tough} (*^.^)" while we were scheduling the synth, we met and then did the synth. He happened to craft the first and only Conte Corazza on the server and he traded me the conte - I gave him 1M tip, and he was VERY grateful. I kinda feel like he does, he just made 1M for 1 minute of work, at no risk to him at all as a crafter.

I think the whole thing is risk and reward. Would you, as a crafter who wouldn't give the person the HQ, also replace the item for them if you broke the synth from the items they provided to you? Just something to think about.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...101/Conte1.jpg

[solsovly]

They are asking you these questions about what materials they need, and how synthing works because they don't know, and you obviously do. Don't expect people to go off and look at internet sites to get all their information, thats the great thing about this game, is you can talk to other players and find out the information you need.

Half the random shit people want synthed I dont know the recipe for. If it wasn't on my list of things to spam for profit I probably don't know it.

When I first started this game over 3 years ago, I was a lvl 18 whm trying to get to jeuno. I was lost in jugner forest and a JP whm came running by and asked in broken english if I was lost. I explained I was trying to get to Jeuno, but had no maps. He/She said "Follow me" and invited me to pty and showed me the way........... "showed" me the way, didn't say "Go to the F'n Internet you Noob and look up a map" etc etc.

Let's put this situation in perspective. When you needed to know where to get papyrus 2 years ago, how many over lvl 50+ people did you see? Tons I bet. Anyone can ask anyone for that. Great. Several hundred if not thousands of people as resources.

Now lets see about crafting How many 100 level crafters did you know a year and a half ago? 15, 20? Lets take those same questions and direct them to crafters. Tons of questions, few" resources" to ask them. I used to get the same fucking tells everyday on how to synth things. I am not your database, go fucking look it up yourself. This isn't a puzzle to be solved.

I have countless people ask me to craft things, and they'll ask "Hey, I want to pay (price on AH, but none up usually) for this Blessed mitts, or blessed trousers, etc,- I explain I don't have any, but i'll synth them one no problem, just bring me the materials. they usually send a message saying "Wow, the materials are like 150K more than the selling price of the gear" and I explain that Yes, with crafting, usually we take a loss when we craft stuff if it isn't a HQ. He understands, brings me the materials and I craft him the gear he wants. Then usually gives me a tip for the help (generally 30-50K). I never charge people to synth anything, only accept it if they offer themselves. That happens at least 3-5 times a week. From useless gear for the CoP subligar quests, to expensive synths.

Cool, you have some understanding people and apparantly lots more patience than everyone else. Usually I look at who is asking me the question. If you are low rank and obviously new I'll have some patience. Others can go die in a fire.

You've had some great experiences. Now how many times has an "angry" crafter been taken advantage of with someone selling it on the AH, driving up the price of the materials, undercutting the end product and sometimes even losing your signature (which costs you gil through time consuming GP). Yeah, I barely craft anymore outside of friends. I don't regret it one bit.

[solsovly]

The smither I got to do my Barone Corazza charges 50K a synth, and we talked about HQ and he said "HQ- {incredibly tough} (*^.^)" while we were scheduling the synth, we met and then did the synth. He happened to craft the first and only Conte Corazza on the server and he traded me the conte - I gave him 1M tip, and he was VERY grateful. I kinda feel like he does, he just made 1M for 1 minute of work, at no risk to him at all as a crafter.

I think the whole thing is risk and reward. Would you, as a crafter who wouldn't give the person the HQ, also replace the item for them if you broke the synth from the items they provided to you? Just something to think about.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...101/Conte1.jpg

Sure its one button press NOW. Where were the thousands of button presses and hundreds of hours I invested at a loss again? Unless they helped invest some money in your skillups, its not "free". Also something to think about;p

I know I sound like a dick, probably cause I am. If you want to be a really nice crafter and do stuff for free and for goodwill. Atleast see the otherside and see WHY crafters get fed up like they do.

[Guyverarmor]

Personally to me, I don't charge anything period for NQ.. but I tell them If I HQ It(depends on the item) I will charge a certain fee for It.. But usually its not that much, no more than 500k(I'm such a nice guy >_>) But I never charge period for friends, NQ or HQ.

[SageSundi]

no screenshots from ps2, but here's the gist of it:


player: are you there?

i ignore these questions in general, so i dont' reply..if someone wants something they ought to just come out and say it.

player: are you there?
player: i bought 50 hermits rings and i want you to HQ 2 for me

i already see where this is going so i do a couple AH checks because i already know i'm gonna be pissed...history shows this guy has bought every hermits ring in 3 cities and basicaly just quadrupled the price of them.

me: hi
player: yeah..can you do these 50 eremites synths? i need 2xeremite+1
me: you're asking the wrong person
me: i have 5 on AH in jeuno right now...go buy those.
player: i dont 'have the gil to buy from AH and it's cheaper to get you to craft them
player: if you HQ more than 2 i will send you some gil from the profits
me: even if i agreed to do your synths, i would HQ no more than 2 for you and once those were made we would stop
player: ok meet me in jeuno
me: #1, you dont' ask a crafter to meet you somewhere when they are doing you the favor
me: #2, you just bought every hermits ring on 3 AH keeping me from making profit on them and driving up the price
me: #3, you're a complete idiot
player: ok fuck you, i'll get someone else to do it
me: gl