av's up on remora. again.

[edgarfigaro]

honestly, with faith, I'd rather see a torque than a virtue, because every mage in your ls has enough HQ euvhi organs to pop 10,000 faiths.

Of course, we've only gotten 1 item from sea (merciful cape), so you can go die and rot in hell.

[XxSlusherxx]

YOu dont even want to know our Justice drop rate lol.

[Stellar]

funny thing is, the only torque in the LS thats really wanted anymore is hope, which we've popped the most of any tier 2 jailer and seen only 2 torques...

Also! We completely ran out of HQ euvhi organs today.. I think we do sea alot more then most LS's though..

[geno]

i find the only thing my ls has a true abundance of is deeds of moderation.. we've killed many many ix'drks, and only seen one cape, but whenever there wasn't a cape, a deed was sure to fall!

[Stellar]

Ha.. got 8 Deed's of Moderation sitting in my safe, seen 2 capes.. Justice has been good to us on virtues, so they rarely get much use..

[RKenshin]

Rkenshin, I was wondering did you experiment at all with killing other mobs in the zone?

Nope.

Our first experiments all revolved around the use of the Jailer weapons. However, in the future we're planning to try a completely different approach that doesn't involve the weapons at all. Mostly just doing a bunch of trial and error until we get somewhere, at the cost of exp and some depopped AVs.

JoL has been nice to us lately though, so it's not a total loss. 2x Novia and 1x Novio in three kills is OK I suppose.

[Demosthenes11]

AV up on Bismarck too...raping...

[Desklamp]

AV up on Bismarck too...raping...

Is IRON able to deal any dmg?

[Mirax]

Does 98% count? Naa we tried quite unsuccessfully to do anything much besides die unfortunately. We did however try alot of things with vitrue weapons and 2 hours, none of which seemed to prevent him from doing anything. Straight tanking was working nicely, until manafont = meteor. This is one pony we havent quite seemed to nail down. Cant really do much if he kills an entire alliance every time he decided he wants to manafont or mijin gakure.

Edit, On another note to those in my LS who read this I would like to thank you all very much on my new L.torque.

[Map]

Suppose I'll contribute what I learned with seashell. We've done 2 JoL's since the expansion, one of which yielded an AV. As the other posters have some what confirmed, I didn't notice anything with jailer weapons sealing his abilities at all, and have no reason to think that SE would change the manner in which is abilities were sealed. We were unable to satisfactorily replicate our old theory of how wyverns/abilities are sealed, I believe that to still be the case though. I was unimpressed with our attempt to straight tank, he washed down an Impact Stream with an Aeraga IV, which combined is pretty much as lethal as meteor. The expansion has hit participation hard though, and I doubt we'll be able to get in many more serious efforts against him, unfortunately.

[Kaylia]

Can BLU stun AV? >_> They can pretty much stun everything so far (behemoth meteor, kirin...etc)

[Luminaire]

What Mirax said. We never actually attempted to really damage it though. There's no point in actually trying to hurt it until we can insure Benediction, Manafont, or Mijin Kagure won't just negate all our hard work. So it was an effort to see if we could straight tank it with stability (yes), then to see if we could shut off its two hours somehow (no).

Since Manafont/Mijin instantly end any attempt at stability, and Benediction instantly erases all damage dealt, there's really no point in actually trying to hurt it until someone finds something concrete for sealing his stuff. Virtue weapons don't seem to work.

Thanks to the onlookers who helped out with JLo/AV adds and whatnot.

[DrObvious]

Can BLU stun AV? >_> They can pretty much stun everything so far (behemoth meteor, kirin...etc)

Aren't AV's spells pretty instacast? Seems like it would be pretty hard to interrupt.

[MisterBob]

They're not insta-cast, but they are pretty quick.

[Genosync]

Suppose I'll contribute what I learned with seashell. We've done 2 JoL's since the expansion, one of which yielded an AV. As the other posters have some what confirmed, I didn't notice anything with jailer weapons sealing his abilities at all, and have no reason to think that SE would change the manner in which is abilities were sealed. We were unable to satisfactorily replicate our old theory of how wyverns/abilities are sealed, I believe that to still be the case though. I was unimpressed with our attempt to straight tank, he washed down an Impact Stream with an Aeraga IV, which combined is pretty much as lethal as meteor. The expansion has hit participation hard though, and I doubt we'll be able to get in many more serious efforts against him, unfortunately.

This means Map is going to be the only person with a ninurta's sash, ever.

gg

[RKenshin]

They're not insta-cast, but they are pretty quick.

I would say it casts about as fast as Jorgy (maybe slightly faster)... It's not insta-cast, but it's too fast to be reliably stunned by reaction time. But, you can't stun it in the first place so it's a mute point. Although I'm not too sure about Headbutt...

But with how often it casts/does something annoying you'll need quite a lot of BLUs to be able to Stun it every time, since SA is on a 60 second timer. I'm not even sure if Headbutt can be casted quick enough to catch it in the first place? What's the casting time for that spell? Kind of doubt it's as fast as Stun (.5 second casting time).

[Nagamaki]

With what the cast time looked you'd need a minor miracle to cast in time with a Fast Cast RDM/DRK, BLU/THF SA Headbutt's chance of being fast enough (if it even works, nobody has confirmed this one way or the other) would lie somewhere between zero and none whatsoever.

While I was looking, a few times I saw him combo a WS into a spell, for example Auroral Wind into Aero V. Tanks died from Aero V before the Auroral Wind animation ended and damage showed in log, so I would say his Fast Cast qualifies as "pretty stupid fast".

[MisterBob]

With a cast time the same as Jorgy, you definitely wouldn't need a miracle to stun as a RDM/DRK, as my BLM/RDM can stun Blizzaga pretty well. But since AV is immune to normal stun, the question is, is a BLU as fast when it comes to using a stun move?

[Map]

He casts as fast as a normal mob would use a tp move(not like bomb toss, a short ability). In other words, the only times you would stun it, if you could, would by completely by coincidence, because the spell are near instantaneous.

[Aribeth]

AV was able to start and end a Tornado II on me inbetween my Ni -> Ichi transition. roflcopters for everyone™