Mamool Ja SP Assault Mission..

[zymurgy]

PFC Leujaoam is worth 4k (SP is worth 3k) and it is also very easily farmable with 3 people

How is something that is entirely based on luck "very easily farmable" ??

Yeah really...done that one with 3 before, all 3 jobs capable of soloing the dumb worms that pop quickly, yet 30min went by and no Orichalcum.

Generally we would get the ore in the last 30 seconds

Wouldn't that mean you're screwed? It's more than a 30s run back to the NPC from the mining points.

It's not based on luck at all. We have a static assault group of 6. After we beat all 15, we divided up into two groups of 3 and started farming zones with our smaller group, though we would all do the same zone at the same time to synchronize our tags in case something comes up and we need to do something with 6 or whatever.

Anyway, now that we're done with Lamia and Excavation duty, we've moved onto Orichalcum, where we currently have 13k/20k...so...something like 7 or 8 times per group, so 14-16 runs, and we have never lost. It seems like about a 10% chance to get the ore before the 10 minute warning, then about 60-70% you get it between the 10 minute and the 5 minute warning, and the rest you get it after that, but much closer to 5 than 0. The only time we have ever gotten close to losing was when one guy had thunderstorms in his area and got DCed during the run, leaving us with two people for about 15 minutes. He came back with 3 minutes left and got the ore at the 1 minute warning. We still won. The point is, it's not based on luck. There is something with the zone that pretty much makes it a guaranteed win. If you don't want to believe it that's fine but nevertheless, we've never had any problems.

The set up we use is RDM BLM BLM and BLM BLM SMN.

[divisortheory]

Umm, maybe you're not familiar with what the word luck means? When there are 15 treasure chests in the zone, all at easy to reach locations, and one of them is guaranteed to win the mission, THAT is not based on luck.

When you mine a point which has a CHANCE to win the mission for you, and you have to keep doing it until you get LUCKY, that is based on luck. Don't be an idiot.

[zymurgy]

Oh yeah, I forgot, I'm an idiot for having a 100% win rate on a "luck" based assault, sorry

If you don't want to believe it that's fine but nevertheless, we've never had any problems.

[divisortheory]

Oh yeah, I forgot, I'm an idiot for having a 100% win rate on a "luck" based assault, sorry

If you don't want to believe it that's fine but nevertheless, we've never had any problems.

Having a 100% win rate is all well and good, but at least try to understand what the definition of "luck" is before you say whether or not something is based on luck. If I HQ 5 synths in a row, does that mean HQing is not based on luck?

[zymurgy]

You're trying to argue that given the assault is based on luck, it's not worth farming due to the fact that there is that chance to lose and waste your tag, while I'm giving you statistics against that fact. I don't see where the misunderstanding lies.

Here's another way of putting it: if you don't like doing Orichalcum Survey with 3 people, even though it's the most efficient way to farm AP in Leujaoam, I'm not twisting your arm to go do it.

[draxyl]

I'd go bard with you wafik, but I haven't done any of the assaults yet so I'm noob rank. If you want to PL me through the first round to spam the 2nd round there, I'm game.

[Tymon]

PFC Leujaoam is worth 4k (SP is worth 3k) and it is also very easily farmable with 3 people

How is something that is entirely based on luck "very easily farmable" ??

Yeah really...done that one with 3 before, all 3 jobs capable of soloing the dumb worms that pop quickly, yet 30min went by and no Orichalcum.

Generally we would get the ore in the last 30 seconds

Wouldn't that mean you're screwed? It's more than a 30s run back to the NPC from the mining points.

Yeah the point of that post was really a vent about how it has to just make you have a lost hope instead of just not getting it at all

[NynJa]

Please Please Please tell me what part of Orichalium Survey is based skill, other than running around and soloing the worms (LOL Counterstanced monk ftw).


The entire win in OS is getting the Orichalium Ore. Can you PLEASE tell me what part of "mine the Orichalium Ore" is not based on luck ?? No amount of skill or gear will guarantee the win in that area. If SE says "you're NA, fuck you", there is NOTHING you can do to brute force it...



What I mean by brute force:
Imperial Agent Rescue: you can argus past the gate if all else fails lol

Lamia No.13: if Lamia is being a whore and keeps Charming, you can eventually outlast it, or if all else fails...all get yourselves charmed but leave the fallen wizard out of charm range. You'll all get charmed except the blm...though it'll probably die, you can maybe get shit under control that way.

Rocks: uh, its a dot fest, dont see how you can get jewed there.

those are the only ones I farm -.-

[Tymon]

Imperial Agent Rescue: you can argus past the gate if all else fails lol

though bad, that would be ultimate win for someone who can put 3 accounts online at the same time.

[NynJa]

I've trio'd it...its not that hard. the whm/bst's ones are best for getting the gate down obviously.

Only thing I hate, since I tank those on mnk/nin...THEY DONT FUCKING MISS, EVERRRRRR. I dont even bother w/ utsu sigh.


anyways, I'm derailing, time to fix:

Please Please Please tell me what part of Orichalium Survey is based skill, other than running around and soloing the worms (LOL Counterstanced monk ftw).


The entire win in OS is getting the Orichalium Ore. Can you PLEASE tell me what part of "mine the Orichalium Ore" is not based on luck ?? No amount of skill or gear will guarantee the win in that area. If SE says "you're NA, fuck you", there is NOTHING you can do to brute force it...

[aers]

i've done orichalcum wiht 5 people capable of soloing worms and not gotten it before time ran out.

[Enitsu]

Just because I'm blind, or confused - I don't know.
But how many points are the PFC and PSC Mamool Ja assaults worth? Wanted to know what to farm. >.>

[NynJa]

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/index.php/Assault

yay for preview when doing submit.....

[Ladytaru]

i just want to know what the hell the position of the staging point is. I've had to turn down 4 parties so far because I can't find any info on this shit anywhere. Any help anyone?

[Coren]

i just want to know what the hell the position of the staging point is. I've had to turn down 4 parties so far because I can't find any info on this shit anywhere. Any help anyone?

Why necro when theres a nice search function that turns up this: http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9021.

[Ladytaru]

Yeah yeah i hate trying to figure out how to look stuff up >< But thaks for helping and oh btw thanks for letting people post on your ls site guys much appreciated