Let's rise up! ...again

[Vandole]

well, i have the MSN of an rmt because of them messaging me >.>
mailto:[email protected] one of the RMT's @ virgoods.com...
you can check my topic here http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10478
and if anyone is brave enough, say you'll sell them some gil, then call a GM saying something to get their attention, and then that will be 1 less rmt on the server

probably wont go down like that. but if someone has an extra account they wouldnt mind getting jailed/banned, you can do it...

or if you just give me an account to throw away i can jsut setup the sting >.>

[Lordender]

I've had GM's tell me about this "special investigation team" and i just don't understand why they don't get one of those teams per server and start going through the suspected gilsellers, these people aren't being reported 100's of times a day just because people are bored with nothing better else to do.

[Vandole]

do not attempt a sting on your own. check the topic of my above post.

[Scratchbiskutz]

i read like half this so maybe im repeating sumone. RMT is big prob ya but there is not alot that can be done legally. One thing SE did that helped out alot is make certain items EX. i thhink it should be suggested in making more items liek this expecially SKy pop items and certain land HNM item. that way people are forced to camp for items they want and not buy them. And it stopes gillseller cause they can not sell the items.

ex . sky pops, serket rings, speed belt ,cassie items, boots off sim. castle O nms. healing staff.

[shihei]

ultimate solution: make every fucking thing in game EX

sure crafters will whine cause they'll have to farm, gillbuyers will whine cause they won't be able to buy stuff with the gill they bought, but it would make the game alot more interesting knowing that someone actually put some work into getting there stuff and not just buying it with real money.

maybe if the game was designed like this it wouldn't be as hard to accomplish certain stuff, since the main reason why people buy gill is they simply don't have the time to farm, they want to play, not work.

[geno]

My favorite part about the RMT bannings is that they also banned a bunch of random innocent HK players

I almost thought this only happened on my server :\
At least two HKs in my linkshell were banned, one of which had seven or eight level 75 jobs, as well as tons of AF2, rare gear (Perseus Harpe 1/70something!), and LS equipment on him (gaiters, osode, etc). Also included in the ban were numerous level 100 crafters including a GS100 and Leather100. Though I knew for a fact that the goldsmither had sold gil before and i didnt really like her much, the leathercrafter was a great guy.

The guy in my LS with all the jobs recently came back and already got a new job to 75 on a new character, but it really sucks that this had to happen for them to get rid of gilsellers (which I still see, and am thus convinced they haven't done much of anything.)

[shihei]

The guy in my LS with all the jobs recently came back and already got a new job to 75 on a new character...

where can i get that 24/7 level-up bot?

[geno]

The guy in my LS with all the jobs recently came back and already got a new job to 75 on a new character...

where can i get that 24/7 level-up bot?

pick RDM or BRD and you're good

[NynJa]

HK?

[Not Kuno]

Hong Kong

[Fhqwghads]

HK = Hong Kong


Edit: Screw you, Not Kuno! You hax0r3d your connection to claim the first response. {GM Call.}

[NynJa]

wow, no clue why I didnt connect that..


So SE really did ban people ?? I was convinced it was just some PR shit to make themselves look good after Blizzard banned RMT.

[shihei]

The guy in my LS with all the jobs recently came back and already got a new job to 75 on a new character...

where can i get that 24/7 level-up bot?

pick RDM or BRD and you're good

darn you got me...but you'd still need static party
what if i pick DRG?

[The Blackrose]

i'm thinking about going to IGE or one of the other sites and buying a small amount of gil, and calling a GM right before i do it, so they can get the person giving me the gil, and then look at their logs and see who they have been in contact with, and maybe stake them out for a few days before banning them to see whoelse they talk to etc, think GM would go along with that lol?? i dont mind paying a few bucks to get some rmt banned... what you guys think abou that ??

Prepare to see the following:

== Mordion Gol ==
You: WTF
NubGMThatHasNeverPlayedFF: After thorough investigation we have concluded that you have been purchasing gil through the use of real money. This is a ban-able offense against the ToS and you're account will be cancelled immediatley. Have a nice day.

http://my.voyager.net/~gwta/images/b...ing%20plan.jpg

[Sylvrdragon]

i'm thinking about going to IGE or one of the other sites and buying a small amount of gil, and calling a GM right before i do it, so they can get the person giving me the gil, and then look at their logs and see who they have been in contact with, and maybe stake them out for a few days before banning them to see whoelse they talk to etc, think GM would go along with that lol?? i dont mind paying a few bucks to get some rmt banned... what you guys think abou that ??

Prepare to see the following:

== Mordion Gol ==
You: WTF
NubGMThatHasNeverPlayedFF: After thorough investigation we have concluded that you have been purchasing gil through the use of real money. This is a ban-able offense against the ToS and you're account will be cancelled immediatley. Have a nice day.

http://my.voyager.net/~gwta/images/b...ing%20plan.jpg

Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we have a winner!

[Ryko]

So lets say we find Cutesquirrels in Port Sandy with 200mil to it's name. Suddenly the character logs on, sends a tell to Xcloudsephirothyxxx about the trade being ready and to meet them in said zone. The characters meet up and Cutesquirrels gives him 10mil through trade, immediately also logging off afterwards. Imagine if SE adopted a zero-tolerance policy that was shaped around the events of an RMT-transaction? Oh man. The legit players' line of defense would be something like "if I were muling, I'd have to log off my main character first." Also, I'm not sure how many people would have gil-only mules. =\

Problem with that is just as you pointed out, there are enough *legit* players who do this that you can't peg it automatically as RMT behavior.

I have 100+m on a mule, so do several people I know.
(Helps keep those incredibly expensive impulse buys to a minimum).

Okay, but does your mule send tells to random players telling them to meet you in zones so you can trade them certain amounts of gil? I hope not. =( I would also assume your mule has other items on it too... you couldn't possibly let all that storage space go to waste. =(

Sorry if this is old but as a LS leader, yes ._. passing out cuts for events is a pain in the ass now.

[MisterBob]

What happened was, in Hong Kong you could have certain gaming stores register your account for you if you didn't have a credit card that SE would accept. Many legit players used this service, especially early in the game's conception before the NA release.

Of course a sevice this easy to use was also exploited by the gil sellers, who used these game shops to register a huge amount of accounts. SE linked the accounts to these game stores, and just banned everyone who had an account registered by them. My very first LS in FFXI back at the PC release was 95% HK players, most who knew each other in real life. Because of this, many had purchased the game around the same time at the same store, and no, they were not gil sellers. Some of the nicest people I have ever met ingame. A decent amount of them were caught in these bannings, was really retarded. They tried to contact SE, but of course SE didn't give a fuck.

[Jahuran]

In all fairness making l.boots and e.pin R/E did make the RMT groups shift from those places to make gil elsewhere.
I expected it to backfire on SE but it really didn't imo. If a person wants the pin they just camp for a day and *gasp* have an actual chance at a pin same goes for l.boots.

I can't say the same for o.kote,fuma or a kclub or any baby-hnms serket,roc,cassie,sim etc and the list goes on. Players cannot beat these people they are extremely motivated.

Problem is some gear is so usefull without having any real craftable equivalent in the game that it creates a stresspoint on the supply method of said gear. RMT recognise these stresspoints and can easily exploit them because in the long run people WILL buy their items.

Se has a few likely and unlikely options.

Possible fixes.
-Start a poll on the website letting players vote which items need to be placed in R/E to start removing rmt from highprofit drops. And of course move the sellable drops to BCNM fights.

Options like:
-Ochiudo's Kote
-Fuma Kyahan
-Kraken Club
-Cross Counters
-Eurytos' Bow

etc Anything thats profitable for rmts to monopolise just take it away from them of course some (zam)people will have an aneurysm over this because
A.)OMG sum gears needs t0 bee raer!!!!11
B.)OMG I cmap teh NM for gilzz!11

A. We play this game for the content. Having a near impossible shot at a piece of equipment because someone wants to make money is not what you pay for.
B. Don't kid yourself into thinking you have decent chance at getting a reasonable income from any of the listed drops above vs gilsellers being there 24/7. Sure you might've claimed once or twice during chinese new year when Hunglowchaoxi was to busy getting drunk but thats pretty much your entire nm camping career for the past year and a half.

-Create craftable equivalents of said gear with acceptable ingredients nullifying the use for camping the nm other then status of having claimed and killed for your own O.Kote,fuma kyahan etc.

Probably impossible fixes.
-Start monitoring camps accounts,chatlogs transactions and start banning accounts. The gms said it themselves that they don't have the available resources to start monitoring this. I doubt se is gonna scan all their logs for text messages like PORT JEUNO or whatever.

:sorry for spelling or grammar errors. English is not my first language.

[Ryuumaru]

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[Keido]

I think some of what maybe going on is this. SE is just adding more content to the game instead of a stop to the RMT. My linkshell has a ton of pop items except for one. The Autumnstone there is a group on pheonix that has sky on lockdown now. Curtana 4 million Autumnstone 12-15 million Seal of Byakko 10 million.

I have also had the pleasure of talking to a GM that said "We can not do anything unless we catch them in the act". How is camping in sky in the same room for over 15 hours not catching them in the act of monopolization? It is very frustrating most of our members are fully outfitted with gear but good luck getting that gear for a second level 75 job on Phoenix. I asked the GM about the monopolization issue no response. I honestly do not understand why they are in the game.

Like so many of you I am about done with it. I am going to write in the petition and give it 6 months. I asked the rest of my linkshell to do the same (Write the petition not quit in six months). Sadly I doubt anything will change. Although we do not have as severe of a problem as other servers do it is quickly becoming a problem. Most of our RMT has just now go the finer points of sky. They have not killed Byakko yet that I know of. They do not go after KV, Tiamat, KB, Fafnir, or any other big name kills yet. After reading some of your posts I know those days are coming and FFXI is going for me. They have started Dynamis. I doubt they will do Sea because sea sucks and there are no sellable items there.

According to the FFXI stats thing there are 500 thousand players on FFXI if we can get the whole BG community to complain maybe just maybe something will be done. I am tired of the sorry we can help you speech and the leave some feedback. My 13 dollars going to another game in six months might be the only petition they understand. I hope there is some kind of answer to this. FFXI is and can be a great game but its quickly becoming very boring.


*edit for grammar*