Anyone still care about AV?

[Not Kuno]

Doesn't standard HNM draw-in only work if the player to be drawn-in is within a reasonable distance from the HNM?

For example, if Tiamat was gonna try to draw me in but I was over by Shakhrami, it wouldn't work. But if I were within sight distance (maybe a little more), BAM, drawn-in.

If that's the case then a level 1 halfway across the zone shouldn't get drawn-in.

Well it appears that most HNM's have a "radius" they will walk in, and anything else they will draw you in. Maybe AV won't draw in if you are in lower sea since it is allowed to roam all over there?

Sounds right to me.

<GMDave> Stop telehacking

I think I speak for everyone when I say: I have no clue what the hell youre talking about.

[Vobent]

[quote=Not Kuno]

Doesn't standard HNM draw-in only work if the player to be drawn-in is within a reasonable distance from the HNM?

For example, if Tiamat was gonna try to draw me in but I was over by Shakhrami, it wouldn't work. But if I were within sight distance (maybe a little more), BAM, drawn-in.

If that's the case then a level 1 halfway across the zone shouldn't get drawn-in.

Well it appears that most HNM's have a "radius" they will walk in, and anything else they will draw you in. Maybe AV won't draw in if you are in lower sea since it is allowed to roam all over there?

Sounds right to me.

<GMDave> Stop telehacking

I think I speak for everyone when I say: I have no clue what the hell youre talking about.[/quote:062a0]

GMDave is a fake GM, some guy wrote a blog describing days of GMs..its funny. I don't have the link anymore, but meh.

[RKenshin]

I wonder why people choose to hymnus zerg AV with a level 1 to keep AV up, instead of making a PT of two level 1s, one on the other side of the zone, and one at AV. The one at AV can tag him, then when he dies, AV will run all the way across the zone to the other level 1, kill him, then start wandering back home. Just one cycle of that will keep him up a long time, since he walks home pretty slowly.

thats pretty damn smart

Draw-in?

It wouldn't draw in. We had people sac pull the hell out of him over the course of a pretty long time (a few hours) running all over Al'Teaui, and he didn't draw anyone in once.

There are limits on the range of party hate though. I really doubt he'd run all around Al'Teaui, I'm almost certain the party hate only extends to the people in the immediate area around them. Just like if you wipe to Darters in Aery while a person in the Alliance is afk at the entrance to Aery, the Darters don't go all the way to that person at the zone, they only kill people in the immediate area. I don't see why sea wouldn't be any difference, especially when it's a LOT bigger.

[Byrd]

GMDave is a fake GM, some guy wrote a blog describing days of GMs..its funny. I don't have the link anymore, but meh.

http://bannable-offenses.blogspot.com/

Pretty hit and miss, but kind of funny. Best to start from the beginning if you're going to bother. You'll miss a lot of the jokes otherwise.

[Delekii]

While AV links hate with alliance, the linked hate still has a range limit - if you are in an alliance with hate but you are at the entrance to palace for example, you dont have hate.

[Marius]

then stagger the party through the zone so they are within range to get hate but far enough to pull him a resonable distance

[Scytha]

Certain NM's can draw you in from incredible distances. Example King V was able to draw me in while I was near Rabao ( I had been holding King V for a while and was changing jobs when replacements arrived ) and Tiamat can draw us in from quite a ways away aswell.

Scytha~
Millennium

[Asy]

Certain NM's can draw you in from incredible distances. Example King V was able to draw me in while I was near Rabao ( I had been holding King V for a while and was changing jobs when replacements arrived ) and Tiamat can draw us in from quite a ways away aswell.

Scytha~
Millennium

... Did you read anything in this thread?

[Khamsin]

Certain NM's can draw you in from incredible distances. Example King V was able to draw me in while I was near Rabao ( I had been holding King V for a while and was changing jobs when replacements arrived ) and Tiamat can draw us in from quite a ways away aswell.

Scytha~
Millennium

... Did you read anything in this thread?

It's apparent that he did, hence his contribution to the discussion of how far NMs can actually draw you in. Some had said NMs couldn't draw you in that far, others said they could. This is his experience on the matter.

[Asy]

Certain NM's can draw you in from incredible distances. Example King V was able to draw me in while I was near Rabao ( I had been holding King V for a while and was changing jobs when replacements arrived ) and Tiamat can draw us in from quite a ways away aswell.

Scytha~
Millennium

... Did you read anything in this thread?

It's apparent that he did, hence his contribution to the discussion of how far NMs can actually draw you in. Some had said NMs couldn't draw you in that far, others said they could. This is his experience on the matter.

I saw it more of him/her skimming, then just tossing out what was already stated.

[Lockecole]

Certain NM's can draw you in from incredible distances. Example King V was able to draw me in while I was near Rabao ( I had been holding King V for a while and was changing jobs when replacements arrived ) and Tiamat can draw us in from quite a ways away aswell.

Scytha~
Millennium

... Did you read anything in this thread?

No, he didn't. KV is like no other mob in the game, since his specific TP moves DRAW-IN all people in your alliance, regardless of hate. Nothing else does that, so comparing it to normal draw-in of a roaming HNM (Tiamat) is pointless. Tiamat will only draw you in if you're out of her spawn area and have CURRENT maximum hate on her list. But he'd know all of this is he read anything in this thread.

[Khamsin]

Certain NM's can draw you in from incredible distances. Example King V was able to draw me in while I was near Rabao ( I had been holding King V for a while and was changing jobs when replacements arrived ) and Tiamat can draw us in from quite a ways away aswell.

Scytha~
Millennium

... Did you read anything in this thread?

No, he didn't. KV is like no other mob in the game, since his specific TP moves DRAW-IN all people in your alliance, regardless of hate. Nothing else does that, so comparing it to normal draw-in of a roaming HNM (Tiamat) is pointless. Tiamat will only draw you in if you're out of her spawn area and have CURRENT maximum hate on her list. But he'd know all of this is he read anything in this thread.

CoP Minotaur does something similar.

[Dezzimal]

Certain NM's can draw you in from incredible distances. Example King V was able to draw me in while I was near Rabao ( I had been holding King V for a while and was changing jobs when replacements arrived ) and Tiamat can draw us in from quite a ways away aswell.

Scytha~
Millennium

... Did you read anything in this thread?

No, he didn't. KV is like no other mob in the game, since his specific TP moves DRAW-IN all people in your alliance, regardless of hate. Nothing else does that, so comparing it to normal draw-in of a roaming HNM (Tiamat) is pointless. Tiamat will only draw you in if you're out of her spawn area and have CURRENT maximum hate on her list. But he'd know all of this is he read anything in this thread.

CoP Minotaur does something similar.

No, CoP Minotaur behaves like Diabolos, it draws in the entire alliance if someone is out of his normal patrol area. Minotaur has a huge aggro range for some reason.

KV has full alliance draw-in as a TP move. No other mob does that.

[Mysterio]

Certain NM's can draw you in from incredible distances. Example King V was able to draw me in while I was near Rabao ( I had been holding King V for a while and was changing jobs when replacements arrived ) and Tiamat can draw us in from quite a ways away aswell.

Scytha~
Millennium

... Did you read anything in this thread?

No, he didn't. KV is like no other mob in the game, since his specific TP moves DRAW-IN all people in your alliance, regardless of hate. Nothing else does that, so comparing it to normal draw-in of a roaming HNM (Tiamat) is pointless. Tiamat will only draw you in if you're out of her spawn area and have CURRENT maximum hate on her list. But he'd know all of this is he read anything in this thread.

CoP Minotaur does something similar.

No, CoP Minotaur behaves like Diabolos, it draws in the entire alliance if someone is out of his normal patrol area. Minotaur has a huge aggro range for some reason.

KV has full alliance draw-in as a TP move. No other mob does that.

but.. but!
/wrists

[Kalyna]

To the "freshly claimed AV will be tame" theory, I can assure you that is not the case. I was the one doing the sac pulls on AV for about 4 hours. We had 3 other level 1 characters there engaging AV (and dying instantly) to stall him from walking back too fast while I got raised and waited for flee timer to reset.

There were several occasions where I would pull an AV with zero hate on anyone and he would immediately use TP moves or spells on me.

I wonder why people choose to hymnus zerg AV with a level 1 to keep AV up, instead of making a PT of two level 1s, one on the other side of the zone, and one at AV. The one at AV can tag him, then when he dies, AV will run all the way across the zone to the other level 1, kill him, then start wandering back home. Just one cycle of that will keep him up a long time, since he walks home pretty slowly.

Apparently, AV doesn't have that large of a hate-link radius. We tried it.

[Vobent]

He would also use a AoE jump on you, which was pretty hilareus.

[Drzaus]

Go mess with Waraxe Beak, back when i first started i ran into him with a few friends, needless to say we tried to zone to castle O, i almost made it, but he drew me in from his spawn point once killing a friend with more hate, thats a large distance
edit: tho from most accounts AV doesnt do this, only when he is truly unable to reach the place you are at

[RKenshin]

Oh yeah, and I know a few already posted saying it was false... But just to reinforce, I'm also certain the "tamed AV" theory is incorrect.

On one of our first attempts, after recovering from a wipe we went to go pull him from his spawn to have another attempt... Before anyone died, or even before AV had a chance to swing or hit someone, it used Meikyo Shisui right off the bat and wiped almost everyone with the Jump attack for 300-500 damage AoE and Stun three times in a row. It was pretty sad.

[MisterBob]

Yes, the AV dormant theory is definitely false. We've had him open with the triple Eagle Eye Shot and such, and he's randomly 2hr'd on the level 1 sac pullers as soon as they aggroed him.

[Stanislav]

the way to beat this thing is clearly to let it beat on u till it gets tired and then just sits there and takes it :wink:

anyone notice jailer of hope?lol sometimes he never does anything the whole fight.. sometimes he spams thundaga the whole fight

ya gonna try this strat on sunday.. poping JOL 3 times and i am sure AV will pop atleast once

one question i dunno if anyone has answer
in this AV fight.. before it stopped doing this.. did it use any 2hrs more then once? maybe SE changed it to only be able to use each once every 2hrs?