Anyone still care about AV?

[Ryko]

A MNK's melee capability has more potential to benefit your LS than 1 second off song recast.

Potential and execution are 2 different things. Tell ya what, you name a situation you'd melee in that your LS wouldnt throw a SAM, WAR, or even RNG at first anyway. Then go out and actually do it, your potential is nothing but pointless talk in the middle of doing not a damn thing in port jeuno while someone else is out there doing it because no one uses monks to melee, for like anything. You're all taking up a cause for a DD that is let in to actually throw a swing less than dragoons are.

I don't really remember saying you could resist a buff. Let's check:
"You don't need faster recast if your shit isn't resisted."

Shit, I didn't.

Elegy landing will have more of an impact on your LS's ability than being able to recast it 1 second faster.

My point was that you don't only throw offensive spells as a bard, in fact it's the lesser common half of the job even counting elegy. You're gunning at the wrong point.

[Priran]

My point is (has been, and will continue to be) that a monk's melee capability doesnt mean shit to you.

A MNK's melee capability has more potential to benefit your LS than 1 second off song recast.

Yes because everyone melee's HNM with MNK...oh wait...

Yeah, because one second on a SONG matters?

God you people fucking fail.

5% extra damage from a MNK can do more for your LS than one second on a spell's recast, fucking especially in Dynamis, on lolgods, and with SATA Full Swing.

[Weltall]

Gear is important.

Same person playing decked out NIN/PLD vs. gimped NIN/PLD proves that. The decked out character will be more efficient, period.

Goes for about any job. Bard with more -enm is better than one that gets eaten. Same person playing SAM decked out is going to kick this shit out of himself/herself playing a garbage SAM.

[Priran]

Blah

Ok listen.

Shut the fuck up.

And listen.

Haidate on a MNK will do more for your LS than the opportunity to recast a several-minute duration song one goddamn second faster.

YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO USE THAT SECOND.

YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO USE THAT MONK.

THE FUCKING POINT is that the MNK will do more than the one second WHEN USED.

[Koyangi]

When's the last time your LS told a monk "Hey throw on some knucks and get to work buddy"?

I'll tell you this much, in all of my LS (save 1 but it lasted 1 week anyway), I have never had a leader/officer ever even have the thought cross his mind that a brd would outlot ANY job on Haidate.

[Heian]

My point is (has been, and will continue to be) that a monk's melee capability doesnt mean shit to you.

A MNK's melee capability has more potential to benefit your LS than 1 second off song recast.

Yes because everyone melee's HNM with MNK...oh wait...

Yeah, because one second on a SONG matters?

God you people fucking fail.

5% extra damage from a MNK can do more for your LS than one second on a spell's recast, fucking especially in Dynamis, on lolgods, and with SATA Full Swing.

Because haste lowers Chi Blast, oh wait again....

When they fix mob TP gain then yeah you have a point. As of now, no you are just making an ass out of yourself. You're also a MNK and bias to the subject. Anywho pros use gear swapping macros.

[Priran]

Because haste lowers Chi Blast, oh wait again...

Will you shut the fuck up and read? "Oh wait" is not funny, you're not clever, you're just an idiot.

[Ryko]

Blah

Ok listen.

My vagina hurts

YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO USE THAT SECOND.

YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO USE THAT MONK.

THE FUCKING POINT is that the MNK will do more than the one second WHEN USED.

So never? Hey, thanks for agreeing with my first fucking post moron. Crying like a fucking baby here isnt gonna get your point across any better. If you're going to use neither, then it doesnt fucking matter who gets it. What good does arguing potential do you?

[Heian]

Because haste lowers Chi Blast, oh wait again...

Will you shut the fuck up and read? "Oh wait" is not funny, you're not clever, you're just an idiot.

Read the second half of the post....but I guess you have no wity comeback for that. You're wrong just admit it, the way the game works, both jobs get equal use out of it when factor in both HNM and EXP/Limbus/Dynamis/ect...

[Koyangi]

Because haste lowers Chi Blast, oh wait again...

Will you shut the fuck up and read? "Oh wait" is not funny, you're not clever, you're just an idiot.

Read the second half of the post....but I guess you have no wity comeback for that. You're wrong just admit it, the way the game works, both jobs get equal use out of it when factor in both HNM and EXP/Limbus/Dynamis/ect...

A MNK/NIN with Haidate >>>>>>> a BRD using it any situation especially naming the bold things, which they don't fukin Chi Blast in.

[Ayn]

Who cares about Haidate for a Monk? I got a Ridill!

[Priran]

If you're going to use neither, then it doesnt fucking matter who gets it.

Well since the BRD will never want to use it, and the MNK will want to use it for Dynamis, Limbus, soloing, and EXPing, then I guess I wouldn't be agreeing with you, it would matter who got it, and you're a fucking dumbass.

By the way, your first post I cared enough to find:

I'd believe it

It's moving and everything, but if you could find the post you're referring to that'd be great.

[Stilgar]

because HNMs are what this game is all about... oh wait.

You people remind me of a bunch of fanatical religious nuts, trying to enforce what you think is 'correct' (the arrogance there...) on everyone who plays the game, whether in your LS or not, on your server or not.

Do us all a favor and just STFU next time Map or anyone from SeaShell makes a post. Or better yet, anytime you feel like telling someone that they gave the wrong item to the wrong person.

Who the fuck do you think you are? The Loot God of the MMORPGzomg? Come off it.

[Ryko]

Fine, my second-fourth post, somewhere in there, big deal. You got me good there, priran!

http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 292#250292

that one.

[Heian]

Because haste lowers Chi Blast, oh wait again...

Will you shut the fuck up and read? "Oh wait" is not funny, you're not clever, you're just an idiot.

Read the second half of the post....but I guess you have no wity comeback for that. You're wrong just admit it, the way the game works, both jobs get equal use out of it when factor in both HNM and EXP/Limbus/Dynamis/ect...

A MNK/NIN with Haidate >>>>>>> a BRD using it any situation especially naming the bold things, which they don't fukin Chi Blast in.

Thanks thats my point, on HNM which is what they have been talking about, MNK in Haidate is not going to do any good. I would much rather see a MNK get Haidate before BRD but you have to face the facts that MNK is only good for Chi Blast on HNM because of the way mobs gain TP.

[Rocl]

The way this thread derailed from some LS killing AV to arguing over who should get Haidate has to be one of the best examples of BG Derailment.

[Koyangi]

Because haste lowers Chi Blast, oh wait again...

Will you shut the fuck up and read? "Oh wait" is not funny, you're not clever, you're just an idiot.

Read the second half of the post....but I guess you have no wity comeback for that. You're wrong just admit it, the way the game works, both jobs get equal use out of it when factor in both HNM and EXP/Limbus/Dynamis/ect...

A MNK/NIN with Haidate >>>>>>> a BRD using it any situation especially naming the bold things, which they don't fukin Chi Blast in.

Thanks thats my point, on HNM which is what they have been talking about, MNK in Haidate is not going to do any good. I would much rather see a MNK get Haidate before BRD but you have to face the facts that MNK is only good for Chi Blast on HNM because of the way mobs gain TP.

And I already made the point as well that not every item you get in endgame(with your HNMLS) is for your job to do better in "endgame," 1 Example is Black Belt. There's plenty of gear like lolGaiters from Tiamat that doesnt help any of the jobs using it to do their job the way they're supposed to in "endgame," yet people still camp Tiamat pretty hard.

[Heian]

[quote=Koyangi]

Because haste lowers Chi Blast, oh wait again...

Will you shut the fuck up and read? "Oh wait" is not funny, you're not clever, you're just an idiot.

Read the second half of the post....but I guess you have no wity comeback for that. You're wrong just admit it, the way the game works, both jobs get equal use out of it when factor in both HNM and EXP/Limbus/Dynamis/ect...

A MNK/NIN with Haidate >>>>>>> a BRD using it any situation especially naming the bold things, which they don't fukin Chi Blast in.

Thanks thats my point, on HNM which is what they have been talking about, MNK in Haidate is not going to do any good. I would much rather see a MNK get Haidate before BRD but you have to face the facts that MNK is only good for Chi Blast on HNM because of the way mobs gain TP.

And I already made the point as well that not every item you get in endgame(with your HNMLS) is for your job to do better in "endgame," 1 Example is Black Belt. There's plenty of gear like lolGaiters from Tiamat that doesnt help any of the jobs using it to do their job the way they're supposed to in "endgame," yet people still camp Tiamat pretty hard.[/quote:d4dc5]

Yep its all about looking cool while AFK in Jeuno/Whitegate.

[Avinor]

We're not talking about ONE situation, about ONE MNK's DoT....we're talking about a principle, a principle which if you don't set, will show in how your LS ends up succeeding in fighting things. If you think that skill is the only reason that seperates 9 people killing something that 40 people wipe to, then you're wrong. Gear isn't as unimportant as people make it out to be.

If you're really going to argue for this principle, you can't half-ass it and advocate NINs getting Ninurta's sashes. You have to argue for nobody to be given Ninurta's sashes from the linkshell, because the linkshell is selling them in favor of gear that gives better performance for the cost.

I cannot begin to imagine how incredibly well geared your shell would have to be for a Ninurta's sash to be worth keeping. A miniscule reduction in spell interruption on a single NIN is not worth the hundreds of millions of gil the Sash would fetch from a perfectionist with too much cash on hand. How many Speed belts could you buy in exchange for a single sash - how much of a relic could you fund? Depending how expensive your currency is, and how much gil your server's elite have to waste, you could have enough for a full upgrade with extra to spare.

So spare us the self-righteous attitude that you would actually be serving the greater good by giving this ovehyped toy to any job. I know you all need an excuse to bitch about it, but its pretty sad that anyone would care so much about in in game item outside of their own shell, let alone their server.

Oh, and the endless arguments over which job truly deserves which item for which reasons is exactly what we were looking to avoid in the first place. Was it worth a SAM getting a fancy speed belt and a WHM getting a Novio thats lent out? Absolutely. Every thread like this is another affirmation of that fact.[/i]

[deakka]

you know... unless you have a 3 monk rotation or more for chi-blast, DoT from melee'ing will outdo chi blast damage everytime for the slot in the alliance. And loltpgain, people complain about the TP a monk gives when they let war/nin's go melee mobs with ridil... as far as i've seen, the TP given/damage ratio for a mnk is far better than a war.