Anyone still care about AV?

[Charitwo]

How many people, especially BLMs, do you know at endgame who haven't levelled a melee job?

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[RKenshin]

I'm at endgame with 4 (almost 5) 75 jobs without a mage job above level 14, if that counts.

[Sefier]

How many people, especially BLMs, do you know at endgame who haven't levelled a melee job?

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does bst count?
if not...

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[Tarukiss]

How many people, especially BLMs, do you know at endgame who haven't levelled a melee job?

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does bst count?
if not...

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[Sekkite]

How many people, especially BLMs, do you know at endgame who haven't levelled a melee job?

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does bst count?
if not...

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BLM in my LS refuses to touch any melee job or hybrid.

[Stilgar]

oyathatsrite Mage Fantasy XI mybadguys.

[MisterBob]

[quote=Sekkite]

How many people, especially BLMs, do you know at endgame who haven't levelled a melee job?

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does bst count?
if not...

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BLM in my LS refuses to touch any melee job or hybrid.[/quote:685bf]


Maybe my 64 BST can have a Ridill!

[Delekii]

How many people, especially BLMs, do you know at endgame who haven't levelled a melee job?

I count 9 in Kupo, including one who leveled ranger to 75 and has since spent possibly less than an hour on it

[Yeargdribble]

Maybe I'm just a little hyper sensitive to this issue because I'm a BRD but a LS that goes 100% by job priority and 0% by attendance is a shell I'd stay far away from. The opposite can be equally as flawed though so I think the best way to go about it is to have sacks that are observant enough to see who both needs and deserves a piece.

Probably with NBG (Need Before Greed) onry is that you end up with the following situation.

1. BRD/BST/WAR joins LS
2. BRD/BST/WAR attends for a year and finally is in line for the next Osode.
3. NIN/RNG/MNK joins LS.
4. One week later you fight Kirin and NIN/RNG/MNK gets Osode.
5. Another week passes and NIN/RNG/MNK has joined another LS.

Yeah, fuck that.

[safer]

for some people arguing whms getting nobles for free....... last i checked, no ls made their players pay for osode so all your points are moot... (this is not even mentioning the rest of the shinra set that those jobs get for free as well)

my ls pays for abjurations, gives blm's weskits, gives whm's nobles, gives whoever is next in line an osode, and and craftable materials are discounted at 50%--- thats just how we do things

our ls has an awesome atmosphere so people dont jus join for loot... we're all there to have fun and enjoy the game together

there is no correct way to run a linkshell..... as long as the members that are apart of that shell feel it is fair.. thats all that counts, if you're apart of the ls and dont feel something is right, either bring your point to the leaders and work something out, or leave.....

the decsion of a bard or monk getting haidates (or any other LS made decision, ie map's sash) will make 0 difference to people outside that linkshell....

so stop arguing? its really really pointless

[aurik]

our ls has an awesome atmosphere so people dont jus join for loot... we're all there to have fun and enjoy the game together

lol ya right.

[Fng]

The only difference between a job priority and a point system is one is subjectively managed and the other is objectively managed.

Probably with NBG (Need Before Greed) onry is that you end up with the following situation.

1. BRD/BST/WAR joins LS
2. BRD/BST/WAR attends for a year and finally is in line for the next Osode.
3. NIN/RNG/MNK joins LS.
4. One week later you fight Kirin and NIN/RNG/MNK gets Osode.
5. Another week passes and NIN/RNG/MNK has joined another LS.

Yeah, fuck that.

Agreed F that.

[Raineer]

for some people arguing whms getting nobles for free....... last i checked, no ls made their players pay for osode so all your points are moot... (this is not even mentioning the rest of the shinra set that those jobs get for free as well)

my ls pays for abjurations, gives blm's weskits, gives whm's nobles, gives whoever is next in line an osode, and and craftable materials are discounted at 50%--- thats just how we do things

My answer to you is "red mage"

[Don Katsu]

How many people, especially BLMs, do you know at endgame who haven't levelled a melee job?

BLM in my LS is leveling BLM on his mule... that's how much he likes the job.

Back on topic.. anyone figure out how to deactivate AV 2hr? or did this get derailed at the last possibily someone mentioned?

[safer]

redmages are mindless selfsufficient entities that dont need petty items to further themselves

but really..... my point wasnt so much about which job gets what in sky.... its already clear that all mages get shafted in sky (yet are still required to attend and are essential for the success of the ls), and most parts of the game in terms of gear........... a while ago my shell also gave blm's 1 free snow ring because at the time we were mostly sky oriented, and it was obvious how little mages recieved.....

did i mention things like black cuisses are given to our drks (what a curious situation... drks have no place in an ouryu run, yet we give them the drops that come from it .....)
and barone body are also given to drgs(lol we only have 1 token drg in the shell) ...

all free of charge!......

my point is: if SE decided to make an NM that drops a RDM onry item, it would be given to redmages free of charge ....its just unfortunate SE hasnt really paid attention to rdm in that regard (alright enhancing sword but who camps bune anymore?)

now, even though we give out all these freebee's its not just a free for all on who can be the biggest loot whore.......
its all about need before greed and we try to accomodate everyone in the shell that way....... the reciepients are members who contribute and work hard in the shell, and do more than just equip the pearl........

EDIT: ok sorta back on topic...... i know some people have mentioned killing the NM's to seal AV's powers...... are you sure they didnt mean kill the NM's at the rubious crystals or w/e ....... sorry if it has been tried/stated , but if not you could try to see if those NM's are poppable with AV out even for those people beyond that mission....... i know its only 9/15 jobs but if it did work, it would take care of the most dangerous 2hours AV has........ long shot and dumb idea prolly... but thought i'd at least throw the idea out there.... =/

[Sylvrdragon]

EDIT: ok sorta back on topic...... i know some people have mentioned killing the NM's to seal AV's powers...... are you sure they didnt mean kill the NM's at the rubious crystals or w/e ....... sorry if it has been tried/stated , but if not you could try to see if those NM's are poppable with AV out even for those people beyond that mission....... i know its only 9/15 jobs but if it did work, it would take care of the most dangerous 2hours AV has........ long shot and dumb idea prolly... but thought i'd at least throw the idea out there.... =/

You can't pop these NMs unless you are actually on that mission. So the only way an LS would be able to consistantly beat AV would be to keep one member constantly on this mission (Or maybe just get a mule this far in CoP ::shudder::

I think that theory is just the Jailor's, Ix's and Qn's that pop with the Ix's. We won't know for sure until probably a FEW more LSes beat it.

[RKenshin]

Maybe I'm just a little hyper sensitive to this issue because I'm a BRD but a LS that goes 100% by job priority and 0% by attendance is a shell I'd stay far away from. The opposite can be equally as flawed though so I think the best way to go about it is to have sacks that are observant enough to see who both needs and deserves a piece.

Probably with NBG (Need Before Greed) onry is that you end up with the following situation.

1. BRD/BST/WAR joins LS
2. BRD/BST/WAR attends for a year and finally is in line for the next Osode.
3. NIN/RNG/MNK joins LS.
4. One week later you fight Kirin and NIN/RNG/MNK gets Osode.
5. Another week passes and NIN/RNG/MNK has joined another LS.

Yeah, fuck that.

Don't forget the fence has two sides... An LS that goes 100% by attendence and 0% by job priority is really no better. You'd be surprised how greedy people can get.

Nothing like seeing the BRD/WHM/BLM that wants to lot Adaman Hauberk/Ridill for their 40 BST that they suddenly have an urge to level, over the WAR/DRK that has worked just as hard but didn't have as much points. I'm sure you can all think of plenty examples of this (as can I), and really whether you have good attendence or not you can't justify lotting something you can't use over someone who can use it and worked just as hard as you.

Sadly I've seen stuff like this happen all too often... Not really in my LS, but mostly in other linkshells I've read/heard about.

[Yeargdribble]

Maybe I'm just a little hyper sensitive to this issue because I'm a BRD but a LS that goes 100% by job priority and 0% by attendance is a shell I'd stay far away from. The opposite can be equally as flawed though so I think the best way to go about it is to have sacks that are observant enough to see who both needs and deserves a piece.

Probably with NBG (Need Before Greed) onry is that you end up with the following situation.

1. BRD/BST/WAR joins LS
2. BRD/BST/WAR attends for a year and finally is in line for the next Osode.
3. NIN/RNG/MNK joins LS.
4. One week later you fight Kirin and NIN/RNG/MNK gets Osode.
5. Another week passes and NIN/RNG/MNK has joined another LS.

Yeah, fuck that.

Don't forget the fence has two sides... An LS that goes 100% by attendence and 0% by job priority is really no better. You'd be surprised how greedy people can get.

Nothing like seeing the BRD/WHM/BLM that wants to lot Adaman Hauberk/Ridill for their 40 BST that they suddenly have an urge to level, over the WAR/DRK that has worked just as hard but didn't have as much points. I'm sure you can all think of plenty examples of this (as can I), and really whether you have good attendence or not you can't justify lotting something you can't use over someone who can use it and worked just as hard as you.

Sadly I've seen stuff like this happen all too often... Not really in my LS, but mostly in other linkshells I've read/heard about.

Pre-agreed.

Having been in differen shells with different systems I think I'm most happy with the system I'm currently under though it's by no means the be all end all to endgame distribution. Our sacks just vote on who's gonna get something based partially on attendance and partially on job need.

If a RDM and BLM had equal participation then then the BLM would win A hands but if the BLM wasn't around much then the RDM would get them without much question. If someone feels slighted then they take it up with a sack and it's discussed and if he still doesn't deserve it he's told why.

Hell, I got a friggin S. Kote over a NIN because he damn near never showed up to any farming. Sure, maybe he'd get a lot more use out of them but I don't think rewarding someone just for rushing XXX job to 75 is a good way to keep solid membership. Those that want to leech realize that they can't and move the fuck on. Those that participate get their shit and fast so they stick around. It's a very self cleansing method I say.

[Sylvrdragon]

Pre-agreed.
Having been in differen shells with different systems I think I'm most happy with the system I'm currently under though it's by no means the be all end all to endgame distribution. Our sacks just vote on who's gonna get something based partially on attendance and partially on job need.

If a RDM and BLM had equal participation then then the BLM would win A hands but if the BLM wasn't around much then the RDM would get them without much question. If someone feels slighted then they take it up with a sack and it's discussed and if he still doesn't deserve it he's told why.

Hell, I got a friggin S. Kote over a NIN because he damn near never showed up to any farming. Sure, maybe he'd get a lot more use out of them but I don't think rewarding someone just for rushing XXX job to 75 is a good way to keep solid membership. Those that want to leech realize that they can't and move the fuck on. Those that participate get their shit and fast so they stick around. It's a very self cleansing method I say.

If your LS has fair leaders, then this system works very well, but if your leadership is the least bit corrupt... then this system is the most drama you'll ever see...

[BRP]

Pre-agreed.
Having been in differen shells with different systems I think I'm most happy with the system I'm currently under though it's by no means the be all end all to endgame distribution. Our sacks just vote on who's gonna get something based partially on attendance and partially on job need.

If a RDM and BLM had equal participation then then the BLM would win A hands but if the BLM wasn't around much then the RDM would get them without much question. If someone feels slighted then they take it up with a sack and it's discussed and if he still doesn't deserve it he's told why.

Hell, I got a friggin S. Kote over a NIN because he damn near never showed up to any farming. Sure, maybe he'd get a lot more use out of them but I don't think rewarding someone just for rushing XXX job to 75 is a good way to keep solid membership. Those that want to leech realize that they can't and move the fuck on. Those that participate get their shit and fast so they stick around. It's a very self cleansing method I say.

If your LS has fair leaders, then this system works very well, but if your leadership is the least bit corrupt... then this system is the most drama you'll ever see...

If people had spines, they would leave that LS. It has potential to clean up bad LSes.