Anyone still care about AV?

[Hirronimus]

Ah, guess I took it out of context. My understanding when he said patch, he meant direct patching of existing monster (e.g. fixing battle related issues, not implementing a said enemy)

[Jer]

He never did say that the team actually beat AV. It's like when somebody asks you a question, but instead of answering you pop off a sarcastic remark. Wasn't there another interview after this and somebody directly asked if the development team had beat it, and the answer was something along the lines of, "Ummm...., we're going back to try again." That kind of implies they weren't successful the first (only?) time.

[Chupunpupun]

Not to get into grammatical debate here, but that still means what he implied.

I understood him to mean if it wasn't beatable they wouldn't have added him into the game, or patched him in. That question was directly about pre-nerf JoL shortly after BG attempted it, no? Hard to have Sundi say what you are saying he said before the nerf happened.

That page says Sundi is the "Global Online Producer of the Community and Service Division." It sounds like he's just an overglorified PR figure. Can anyone clarity what his role is in FFXI Development? If he is a PR figure, I doubt he knows anything that goes on in the game.

[Hirronimus]

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[Viq]

He never did say that the team actually beat AV. It's like when somebody asks you a question, but instead of answering you pop off a sarcastic remark. Wasn't there another interview after this and somebody directly asked if the development team had beat it, and the answer was something along the lines of, "Ummm...., we're going back to try again." That kind of implies they weren't successful the first (only?) time.

No one had ever seen AV when the BG vs. Sundi interview happened.

[Koyangi]

Odin popped AV this morning and had a 4 LS teamup (if you're on Odin it's 7S who popped with PP TK and Jokers helping; LB as well on the side). AV was held for about 3-4 hours while we split into groups and killed all the NMs to "seal" the 2 hours. We've currently killed DRK, RNG, BRD, DRG, NIN, BST, BLM, MNK, WHM, RDM, SAM.

As far as I can tell, the idea that killing each NM seals that 2hr permanently is false. Temperance was killed and AV used SAM 2hr about 15 minutes later. It's also used Soul Voice, Eagle Eye Shot, etc. after the NM has been killed on multiple occassions.

The 4 LSs have access to 2 Relic Shields and 2 Relic Horns, but it's prodominantly Japanese members and everyone is really tired. The fact that the NM trick seems to have failed probably makes it even more tiring. Not really sure is SevenSense (the LS that popped it) will just call it quits or hold it over at this point.

The answer is so simple, its been there the whole time, in the same zone.

Yeah! I mean.. what?

Since the proof of actual Jailers/Ix's locking AV's 2hr's hasn't been shown to be 100% accurate, especially since a good portion of them are in different zones, there's only 1 obvious reason left(not to mention its theoretically impossible to lock the SMN 2hr, since Love can't be popped while AV is up).

AV = an aern, and Al'Taieu has DC-T Aern's of ALL 15 jobs, lurking at some area in Al'Taieu. My best ideas conclude 1 of the 3 to happen if they die:

1) Killing the desired job once seals it forever or for a short time, (rekill as needed, or perhaps the reraise nature of those aerns plays a part as well, like killing it twice from reraise may have different effect than killing it and having it not reraise would)
2)They must all be dead all at once(highly unlikely).
3)The bracelets form may enhance or change the 2hr behavior based on which regular aerns you kill/ed.

It doesnt seem SE would make something _that_ difficult, especially since its been staring you in the face the whole time: all 15 jobs of aern are in Al'Taieu. I'm 99% sure if more focused testing regarding this is done, something could be seen.

[Siatdiat]

Whenever I read this thread I think of that Tom Petty song "I wont back down", it makes me giggle.

[Nuriko]

We actually tried that last night. It Call Wyvern'd shortly after the DRG Ul'Aern was killed .

Pretty sure this is old news, but the only times it didn't Call Wyvern or have insane regen we noticed was when it was claimed. We got it to 92% with a BLM zerg, and it stayed at 92-93% for a few minutes while it slaughtered everyone with hate, but once it went yellow for more than 2-3 seconds it did Call Wyvern, regened back up to 100 and we were back to where we started. We tried to keep it claimed after nuking it, but there was just no way we could do that for more than a few seconds at a time with its speed and spells.

[FFXIFlux]

That page says Sundi is the "Global Online Producer of the Community and Service Division." It sounds like he's just an overglorified PR figure. Can anyone clarity what his role is in FFXI Development? If he is a PR figure, I doubt he knows anything that goes on in the game.

He organizes the saki parties and hires the geisha. Many many geisha.

[DrObvious]

AV = an aern, and Al'Taieu has DC-T Aern's of ALL 15 jobs, lurking at some area in Al'Taieu. My best ideas conclude 1 of the 3 to happen if they die:

1) Killing the desired job once seals it forever or for a short time, (rekill as needed, or perhaps the reraise nature of those aerns plays a part as well, like killing it twice from reraise may have different effect than killing it and having it not reraise would)
2)They must all be dead all at once(highly unlikely).
3)The bracelets form may enhance or change the 2hr behavior based on which regular aerns you kill/ed.

It doesnt seem SE would make something _that_ difficult, especially since its been staring you in the face the whole time: all 15 jobs of aern are in Al'Taieu. I'm 99% sure if more focused testing regarding this is done, something could be seen.

I was under the impression that av has stopped using 2hrs w/o people killing mobs in altaieu. This is one of the earliest theories that has been suggested.

[Zalius]

AV = an aern, and Al'Taieu has DC-T Aern's of ALL 15 jobs, lurking at some area in Al'Taieu. My best ideas conclude 1 of the 3 to happen if they die:

1) Killing the desired job once seals it forever or for a short time, (rekill as needed, or perhaps the reraise nature of those aerns plays a part as well, like killing it twice from reraise may have different effect than killing it and having it not reraise would)
2)They must all be dead all at once(highly unlikely).
3)The bracelets form may enhance or change the 2hr behavior based on which regular aerns you kill/ed.

It doesnt seem SE would make something _that_ difficult, especially since its been staring you in the face the whole time: all 15 jobs of aern are in Al'Taieu. I'm 99% sure if more focused testing regarding this is done, something could be seen.

I was under the impression that av has stopped using 2hrs w/o people killing mobs in altaieu. This is one of the earliest theories that has been suggested.

How exactly is that possible what with the aerns all around jol <_<

[Russta]

AV = an aern, and Al'Taieu has DC-T Aern's of ALL 15 jobs, lurking at some area in Al'Taieu. My best ideas conclude 1 of the 3 to happen if they die:

1) Killing the desired job once seals it forever or for a short time, (rekill as needed, or perhaps the reraise nature of those aerns plays a part as well, like killing it twice from reraise may have different effect than killing it and having it not reraise would)
2)They must all be dead all at once(highly unlikely).
3)The bracelets form may enhance or change the 2hr behavior based on which regular aerns you kill/ed.

It doesnt seem SE would make something _that_ difficult, especially since its been staring you in the face the whole time: all 15 jobs of aern are in Al'Taieu. I'm 99% sure if more focused testing regarding this is done, something could be seen.

I was under the impression that av has stopped using 2hrs w/o people killing mobs in altaieu. This is one of the earliest theories that has been suggested.

How exactly is that possible what with the aerns all around jol <_<

You've never had AV pop have you?

[Zalius]

AV = an aern, and Al'Taieu has DC-T Aern's of ALL 15 jobs, lurking at some area in Al'Taieu. My best ideas conclude 1 of the 3 to happen if they die:

1) Killing the desired job once seals it forever or for a short time, (rekill as needed, or perhaps the reraise nature of those aerns plays a part as well, like killing it twice from reraise may have different effect than killing it and having it not reraise would)
2)They must all be dead all at once(highly unlikely).
3)The bracelets form may enhance or change the 2hr behavior based on which regular aerns you kill/ed.

It doesnt seem SE would make something _that_ difficult, especially since its been staring you in the face the whole time: all 15 jobs of aern are in Al'Taieu. I'm 99% sure if more focused testing regarding this is done, something could be seen.

I was under the impression that av has stopped using 2hrs w/o people killing mobs in altaieu. This is one of the earliest theories that has been suggested.

How exactly is that possible what with the aerns all around jol <_<

You've never had AV pop have you?

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no but uh, i thundaga 3'd AV one time when IN popped it and i remember a couple of aerns <_<

[XxSlusherxx]

two thing happened immedatly before AV stopped 2hring for us.

a)we killed the millionth set of Wynavs


b) or main pld/nin got permabanned


So I don't know what to tell you.

[Sudai]

Seems just like SE. Get one of your most important people permabanned mid fight to win! Gogogo!

[Kalyna]

Sundi: We have about 30 or 40 people on a Q&A team to check how strong all the monsters are. We also have an internal dev team Q&A, 18 people, that work for them. Before we release the patch, they test how, they like, actually fight it. They mainly are working for the Battle Team, so I'm sure that there's a way somehow. At least that Q&A team could beat it, right? If they couldn't beat it, we were not going to patch it.

He didn't specify exactly whether "that Q&A team" was that group of 18 people only, or if it was the whole 50-60 people.

I'm guessing it was the latter, as I don't see how 18 people can kill, say, Vrtra.

[aurik]

two thing happened immedatly before AV stopped 2hring for us.

a)we killed the millionth set of Wynavs


b) or main pld/nin got permabanned


So I don't know what to tell you.

Wait he got PERMANENTLY BANNED for using the goblin footprint to hold AV?

[XxSlusherxx]

two thing happened immedatly before AV stopped 2hring for us.

a)we killed the millionth set of Wynavs


b) or main pld/nin got permabanned


So I don't know what to tell you.

Wait he got PERMANENTLY BANNED for using the goblin footprint to hold AV?

kinda, he got to jail, called the GM a fag, and d/c'd himself

[aurik]

two thing happened immedatly before AV stopped 2hring for us.

a)we killed the millionth set of Wynavs


b) or main pld/nin got permabanned


So I don't know what to tell you.

Wait he got PERMANENTLY BANNED for using the goblin footprint to hold AV?

kinda, he got to jail, called the GM a fag, and d/c'd himself

They permanently banned him for that? Or unknown? Because even being banned for that is pretty lame.

[Sudai]

How'd he use the footprint to hold AV? Just get into the CS with AV smacking him then AV ceased hitting him due to the CS?

That's pretty damned Smart.