HAs anyone seen this before?

[Ozoko]

I wish fafnir flew in :\

Instead you get to see level 5 mules fly in.

QFawesome

Also lmfao at the mandy getting munched

[Ravenlokk]

You can really see where they had to shit down the graphics for PS2

hasn't the game been out on ps2 in japan for a solid 175days before it was released on pc? which is about 6 months.

Of course if they could, they'd show it off on a computer where they can enhance how it looks though, but i dont see how they shit down the graphics for ps2 since it was created for ps2...

Any console based game is "shitted down" to support inferior hardware. And havent you wondered why sky all looks the same, and most "new" mobs are just reskinned, or renamed old mobs? Limited capacity for detail or more tilesets. PS2 ftw. Also, they released the inferior ps2 version first so people would have to buy both if they wanted it for PC also-- it was for marketing not because it was intended for PS2 only. The game was designed to be multi-platform.

[aurik]

Also, they released the inferior ps2 version first so people would have to buy both if they wanted it for PC also-- it was for marketing not because it was intended for PS2 only.

Wrong.

GTFO 1 post.

[Ravenlokk]

Also, they released the inferior ps2 version first so people would have to buy both if they wanted it for PC also-- it was for marketing not because it was intended for PS2 only.

Wrong.

GTFO 1 post.

Use your brain before your fingers, maybe take a marketing class. Oh wait, you must work for SE. Sorry.

2 posts now, kthx.

I guess i should postwhore more 4 word responses to establish a credible post count. Grats?

[Ichthyos]

aurik's right, as everyone else here knows. why else do you think the game performs so poorly on PC?

[Ravenlokk]

aurik's right, as everyone else here knows. why else do you think the game performs so poorly on PC?

I guess you need a new pc

Higher Resolutions
Higher Framerates
Higher # of SFX

Uh...

[aurik]

Also, they released the inferior ps2 version first so people would have to buy both if they wanted it for PC also-- it was for marketing not because it was intended for PS2 only.

Wrong.

GTFO 1 post.

Use your brain before your fingers, maybe take a marketing class. Oh wait, you must work for SE. Sorry.

2 posts now, kthx.

I guess i should postwhore more 4 word responses to establish a credible post count. Grats?

No, but my coworker worked on FFXI before Square shut down their Hawaii operation, and we used to chat a lot about the game. What you say simply isn't true.

[Ravenlokk]

Also, they released the inferior ps2 version first so people would have to buy both if they wanted it for PC also-- it was for marketing not because it was intended for PS2 only.

Wrong.

GTFO 1 post.

Use your brain before your fingers, maybe take a marketing class. Oh wait, you must work for SE. Sorry.

2 posts now, kthx.

I guess i should postwhore more 4 word responses to establish a credible post count. Grats?

No, but my coworker worked on FFXI before Square shut down their Hawaii operation, and we used to chat a lot about the game. What you say simply isn't true.

Well my dad said your friend is full of shit, and what you said simply isnt true.

Lets argue with this logic, its fun.

[aurik]

Also, they released the inferior ps2 version first so people would have to buy both if they wanted it for PC also-- it was for marketing not because it was intended for PS2 only.

Wrong.

GTFO 1 post.

Use your brain before your fingers, maybe take a marketing class. Oh wait, you must work for SE. Sorry.

2 posts now, kthx.

I guess i should postwhore more 4 word responses to establish a credible post count. Grats?

No, but my coworker worked on FFXI before Square shut down their Hawaii operation, and we used to chat a lot about the game. What you say simply isn't true.

Well my dad said your friend is full of shit, and what you said simply isnt true.

Lets argue with this logic, its fun.

Can you back up your accusation at all?

Wait, is this Nynja? That sig is really throwing me off.

[Ravenlokk]

Nah i just ripped off his sig cuz its funny. And i didnt accuse anyone of anything... just pointing out that your argument lacks a valid premise. Perhaps you should read posts more carefuly before refuting generalizations about a sales strategy.

5 posts now, is my credability going up?

[aurik]

Nah i just ripped off his sig cuz its funny. And i didnt accuse anyone of anything... perhaps you should read posts more carefuly before refuting generalizations about a sales strategy.

5 posts now, is my credability going up?

No lol, it's going down. Let's not quibble about terminology; you claimed that Square deliberately released the PS2 version before PC so that people would buy both. Call that an "accusation", call it whatever, do you have any evidence to support you claim at all?

And change your sig.

[Ravenlokk]

Well since you asked-- i google searched for you (http://www.google.com for you to try next time)

"Whether you are talking books or more complex products, the timing of release dates can be critical to your success—especially if those products or bundled services. . ."
http://www.marketingprofs.com/login/sig ... roll89.asp

why wont fafnir just pop...

Someone else, with a better argument, flame me plz, im bored.

[Ravenlokk]

No 2 minute response? Need a little more time to think of something witty?

http://catalogs.mhhe.com/mhhe/viewPr...sbn=0072961449

Click the link above if u want more "evidence" which most people call education.

[Ichthyos]

aurik's right, as everyone else here knows. why else do you think the game performs so poorly on PC?

I guess you need a new pc

Higher Resolutions
Higher Framerates
Higher # of SFX

Uh...

Running at 30 fps and constantly using 30% or more of my cpu cycles on a 2.0+ ghz machine with a good video card isn't my idea of performing well. Everyone here knows FFXI underutilizes the video card and overutilizes the cpu.

Also, if it were all a marketing ploy as you say it was, then you would have thought they would follow the same pattern in the US. But no, they released the PC version in October, 2003, and then the PS2 version several months later.

[aurik]

Well since you asked-- i google searched for you (http://www.google.com for you to try next time)

"Whether you are talking books or more complex products, the timing of release dates can be critical to your success—especially if those products or bundled services. . ."
http://www.marketingprofs.com/login/sig ... roll89.asp

why wont fafnir just pop...

Someone else, with a better argument, flame me plz, im bored.

That link has nothing to do with your claim. Did you even follow it?

1) PC version was originally an xbox port that was started after the design and most of the PS2 version was complete
2) Original xbox port had locked graphical capabilities just like PS2 -- locked hardware makes this a sensible choice
3) SE and MS couldn't agree on XBox Live / PlayOnline terms, so MS refused to let SE release on XBox
4) SE decides instead of letting all the XBox effort go to waste, they instead can port to PC
5) After porting to PC they realize that the PC market has widely varying configurations
6) Note at this time (2001-2002), the typical PC gave worse graphical performance and response than the PS2, which was further frustrated by the fact that the codebase was bandaided twice to port it between systems.
7) As a result of this they retrofitted the current graphics system to allow it to scale to the end-user's system. My coworker was part of this effort.
8) Fast forward 4 years, typical PCs are now way stronger than PS2s. As a result of the retrofitting, you can scale the graphical intensity of the game both down (the initial application of the retrofit) and up--which means that now a cheap computer will outperform a PS2.
9) Cue some no-name poster to theorize that SE deliberately released the PS2 version (which was, at the time of release, superior to the PC version) in order to double-dip on sales at initial launch.
10) Cue Aurik to point out that this theory makes no sense, especially in the light that long-term health of a MMO is directly tied to how strong the inital launch is--why the hell would a company intentionally release an inferior version to double-dip on initial box sales, representing only a small portion of the revenue pie, which could risk the long-term recurring revenue they get from subscriptions
11) Aurik goes to bed leaving aforementioned no-name person to flounder and google more links that fail to support his crackpot theory.

[Ravenlokk]

Well since you asked-- i google searched for you (http://www.google.com for you to try next time)

"Whether you are talking books or more complex products, the timing of release dates can be critical to your success—especially if those products or bundled services. . ."
http://www.marketingprofs.com/login/sig ... roll89.asp

why wont fafnir just pop...

Someone else, with a better argument, flame me plz, im bored.

That link has nothing to do with your claim. Did you even follow it?

1) PC version was originally an xbox port that was started after the design and most of the PS2 version was complete
2) Original xbox port had locked graphical capabilities just like PS2 -- locked hardware makes this a sensible choice
3) SE and MS couldn't agree on XBox Live / PlayOnline terms, so MS refused to let SE release on XBox
4) SE decides instead of letting all the XBox effort go to waste, they instead can port to PC
5) After porting to PC they realize that the PC market has widely varying configurations
6) 1)Note at this time (2001-2002), the typical PC gave worse graphical performance and response than the PS2, which was further frustrated by the fact that the codebase was bandaided twice to port it between systems.
7) As a result of this they retrofitted the current graphics system to allow it to scale to the end-user's system. My coworker was part of this effort.
8) Fast forward 4 years, typical PCs are now way stronger than PS2s. As a result of the retrofitting, you can scale the graphical intensity of the game both down (the initial application of the retrofit) and up--which means that now a cheap computer will outperform a PS2.
9) Cue some no-name poster to theorize that SE deliberately released the PS2 version (which was, at the time of release, superior to the PC version) in order to double-dip on sales at initial launch.
10) Cue Aurik to point out that this theory makes no sense, especially in the light that 2)long-term health of a MMO is directly tied to how strong the inital launch is--why the hell would a company intentionally release an inferior version to double-dip on initial box sales, representing only a small portion of the revenue pie, which could risk the long-term recurring revenue they get from subscriptions
11) Aurik goes to bed leaving aforementioned no-name person to flounder and google more links that fail to support his crackpot theory.

First off, its called a citation. Im not really interested in your superfluous technobabble--The long-term health of a MMO is directly tied to its ability to keep players hooked and hyped. Hype is generated by making people wait for things; hence the staggered release dates and expansions.
1) LoL? maybe if you live in the 3rd world.
2) Thats obviously why they staggered the release dates!(lol?) What are you smoking? SE is notorious for rushing products to market, as soon as the PS2 version was polished enough to market they released it- knowing they'd be able to double dip and capitalize on the hype of the ps2 release. We all know how addicting FF is, and how involved the user becomes after starting out, doesnt take many good reviews to add to the hype-- which generates bottom line.

Your argument is so full of contradictions, and filler that it hurts my head reading it all. You made a few very valid points, too bad they have nothing to do with what we were talking about

Goodnight.

[VoiceOfReason]

2) Thats obviously why they staggered the release dates!(lol?) What are you smoking? SE is notorious for rushing products to market, as soon as the PS2 version was polished enough to market they released it- knowing they'd be able to double dip and capitalize on the hype of the ps2 release. We all know how addicting FF is, and how involved the user becomes after starting out, doesnt take many good reviews to add to the hype-- which generates bottom line

lol Final Fantasy XII?

In Japan, console gaming is more popular than PC gaming by far. Especially back when FFXI was released, PCs were still 'geek stuff' and woefully under-utilized by the gaming public. So FFXI on the PS2 makes a lot of sense. Release it on the PC and you have a huge chunk of your market without the hardware to run the game or even the know-how to run it on their machines.

[XxSlusherxx]

2) Thats obviously why they staggered the release dates!(lol?) What are you smoking? SE is notorious for rushing products to market, as soon as the PS2 version was polished enough to market they released it- knowing they'd be able to double dip and capitalize on the hype of the ps2 release. We all know how addicting FF is, and how involved the user becomes after starting out, doesnt take many good reviews to add to the hype-- which generates bottom line

I lol'd at that also, just no.

[NynJa]

sigh, I appologise for Ravenlokk. He's an avid smoker of the marijuana, I cant control the bullshit stoners talk. Sorry again

[Russta]

sigh, I appologise for Ravenlokk. He's an avid smoker of the marijuana, I cant control the bullshit stoners talk. Sorry again

I only just realized it wasn't you that posted that.

Attack on Aurik + infamous sig = Nynja (usually)