Low number Limbus

[Seraph]

So, has anyone been forced to kill Cronos in Apollyon NE without a BLM or a RNG?

What did you do?

Been able to recently Duo it with PLD/NIN tanking (lolCover too) and a BLU/NIN blowing through about 1500+ MP blasting it with magic spells. The Bene-Box is required for this to work. PLD blows every hate gathering move during sentinel duration, and prays hate lasts long enough for the BLU to get through all its MP. If hate can be kept off the BLU, you can do enough damage to kill it.

We had cleared adds in the area too, so worst case, we could have finished the last few % with DoT kiting. I still hate when it's Cronos though...

[Fated]

I think I just hate NE in general, its the only apollyon that really annoys me.

[Fated]

Would Central Tenemos - 2nd floor be manaburnable with 3 BLMs (The one where you kill the elementals in opposite order to only fight one mystic avatar)? The regular elementals shouldn't be a problem and then I would probably do Ifrit just out of habit, do the mystic avatars and carbuncle gravity at all?

[Arkanos]

Would Central Tenemos - 2nd floor be manaburnable with 3 BLMs (The one where you kill the elementals in opposite order to only fight one mystic avatar)? The regular elementals shouldn't be a problem and then I would probably do Ifrit just out of habit, do the mystic avatars and carbuncle gravity at all?

Carby can be gravitied. Not sure about the others, though if I were to guess, I'd say Titan can be and the rest can't.

[Fated]

Does Carbuncle build notable resistance over time? 20,000 HP is going to take some time.

[Kaeko]

Elementals in this zone have no damage down to melee for some reason, but are a bit tough to nuke due to high INT. Think Temenos Elementals. That may take some time for 3 BLMs to burn through.

Avatar takes full magic damage and has 10,000 HP I think. 10 4 nukes or AM2 nukes total should do it in, but you cannot avoid the 2hr in this. If you get an unlucky non-resist could hurt you.

Avatar and elementals may be difficult. Perhaps have 1 BLM kite your carby then other 2 do the light elementals. You cannot avoid a link here without Carbuncle since the Elementals trail Carby (someone correct me if I'm wrong here).

[aurik]

We clear that one with 4, melee style. I think it would be hard to manaburn carby due to the way the light elementals share hate.

[Fated]

4 people? >_> what setup?

[aurik]

4 people? >_> what setup?

We've done it with a few different setups.

brd [cor or rdm] mnk [mnk or war] is our general setup for that one.

[Bakthi]

So what do you do with Carby and the elementals if it's BRD + COR? We usually sleep the elementals first and kill Carby, but both those jobs only have light-based sleep.

BTW, with so many things in the game that resist Requiem (a light-based debuff), I think it's hilarious that it lands easily on Carby here.

[aurik]

So what do you do with Carby and the elementals if it's BRD + COR? We usually sleep the elementals first and kill Carby, but both those jobs only have light-based sleep.

BTW, with so many things in the game that resist Requiem (a light-based debuff), I think it's hilarious that it lands easily on Carby here.

Hmm come to think of it, maybe we don't use brd+cor on that zone. 1 person kites carby and 1 elemental, other 3 kill the 2nd elemental w/ grav applied. Their hate is linked to carby until like 50% though, it's kind of odd.

[Arkanos]

The light eles can be pet-pulled as well which will remove their hate linkage to Carby. it won't come off 100% of the time though due to their habit of casting buffsd right next to carby right after your own pet dies.

[Vyerz]

Just wondering, I've seen that kaeko has managed to Solo NE Apollyon, but theres obviously a luck factor involved. I was wondering what the chances are of wining (even with bad luck) with 2-3 Blm's. Because It seems like It'd take 20 minutes to kill chronos, do you think with 3 Blm's you could fight and kill chronos and still have enough time to win?
Thanks~

[Kaeko]

We trio'd this with BLM BLM SCH about a month ago. We had to kill all 3 Gigas, 3 of the 4 2F big birds etc. (the worst scenario) and still won with about 15 to go.

Also, just b/c ppl have been telling me to correct, 4F Gigas are sleepable, although I mentioned they were not previously.

On 2F Birds also, the Chest and Vortex pop from the same type. That is, if you say kill a Biolazer (first type of big bird you will see on that floor), if it drops Item Chest, you know 100% the other Biolazer pops vortex. If the first Biolazer doesn't give vortex or item, then you know the 2 Thaizis will. This way, you are only having to kill 3 of the 4 birds tops.

[Vyerz]

Wow, thanks for the quick reply kaeko. You said you used Sch though, is Chronos affected by the helixes? because if he is dropping him must have been cake.
but it does look like even by DoTing it to death by Blm means chances are high that 3 Blm's can take this~ thanks again

[Kaeko]

Helix initial damage is magic based, so it will do 0 damage on initial (hence 0 damage on remaining tics).

[aurik]

We trio'd this with BLM BLM SCH about a month ago. We had to kill all 3 Gigas, 3 of the 4 2F big birds etc. (the worst scenario) and still won with about 15 to go.

Also, just b/c ppl have been telling me to correct, 4F Gigas are sleepable, although I mentioned they were not previously.

On 2F Birds also, the Chest and Vortex pop from the same type. That is, if you say kill a Biolazer (first type of big bird you will see on that floor), if it drops Item Chest, you know 100% the other Biolazer pops vortex. If the first Biolazer doesn't give vortex or item, then you know the 2 Thaizis will. This way, you are only having to kill 3 of the 4 birds tops.

Another interesting factoid that Vistani and I discovered last run: the little-birds on 2F have BCNM-style hate. Due to unfortunate circumstances, we decided to sac to get an extra time chest. To our surprise, the little-birds didn't go passive after the sacrifice died.

[chapstick]

I thought this was true of all limbus zones/mobs?

[deced]

Everything I've ever sac pulled in Limbus (which is a lot, cause I'm a bard and get a hard on for dying when it's really not necessary) has party shared hate. I won't say everything does for sure, cause I've not actually died pulling every single mob to be perfectly sure, but I've never encountered one that didn't. If you pull in pt and die, they'll chase your buddies down. If you drop pt before you pull, they'll go passive once you bite it. Do it all the time for stuff like first floor fomors and third floor mimics in Apollyon SW (sac pulling both of these floors practically guarantees you can duo the entire zone and still get both item chests on floor 1, 3, and of course 4); the first floor of Apollyon NE when the mandies are being friendly; Temenos West top floor birds and Temenos north top floor if we don't bring someone with sleepga.

It's also a nice way to avoid having to Metal Gear Solid your way through a low man Temenos North if someone's lagging badly or something and can't reliably sneak around.

[aurik]

Mandragora on NE floor 1 go passive after killing their target, even in a party. So no, all limbus mobs do not have party-hate.