Low number Limbus

[Kaylia]

I would toss an extra blm or two on NW if you are actually going for consistent wins. The issue is that you can just get boned by the ghosts and buffalo. I've had some runs were I've had to clear 5 ghosts and 5 buffalo before vortex which allowed us to still clear the NQ behemoths, but only had around 5min for king.

Nah, we clear it 80%+ of the time with 3 blm now. Last run, we had to kill 6 ghost before it open (and all dropped coin wtf) and still won without any problem. Only boss we skip is the turtle.

I usually go blm/nin with 2 blm/rdm. I open with thunder iv than blizzard (or fire) and blink tank it while other land their spell a few second after me. We sleep buffalo and ghost and repeat the nuking, mobs on floor #3,4,5 should be dead after the first sequence of nuke.
On buggard floor, we train 2-3 , manafont and thundaga.The 3rd blm sleepga them and we nuke again. Can clear the floor without resting once. Wyvern can be cleared in ~6-7 minutes

Fafnir can be killed in 2 minutes (thundaga x3 --> nuke x3 --> nuke x3 --> ES+ sleep. Manafont, thundaga --> another ES+sleep nukex3. pop bene chest and finish it (usually use ES+sleep a last time after benediction).

Normally, we get to last floor with 30-35 minutes depending how well it goes. We use 1 manafont per behemoth and kill KB in 20min

[Kaylia]

If we can beat both West with 1 PT, that would speed up the process if fighting ultima by a lot. 1 fight per week would be nice.



Any idea if anything else can be manaburned?

uhm, doesnt 1 person need all 3 chips to open a central or a proto fight? even if u send 1 group to each zone, thats gonna be 3 ppl, with 3 chips..

(The Big One)

Can lot from outside the BC, just need to invite whoever is holding in alliance

[fat_kat]

you can win SW apollyon with 6 people with a setup like this:

nin nin(or whatever DD/subtank) brd rdm blm blm

basically on the first 2 floors kill as fast as possible, when chests pop pick time and go up asap.

on the 3rd floor(mimics) its all about luck, as soon as you get the time chest go to next floor and ignore the rest of them.

on the last floor(elementals) you don't have to kill them all for the final chest to pop, just one random set of them. Here you can just farm as many as you can, and when you have ~5 min left go see if the chest has popped, if so keep killing till you have like 30 sec left and open it.

shitty coins and items, but if you are looking for a way to beat sw with few people, thats the best way my group has found.

[aurik]

you can win SW apollyon with 6 people with a setup like this:

nin nin(or whatever DD/subtank) brd rdm blm blm

basically on the first 2 floors kill as fast as possible, when chests pop pick time and go up asap.

on the 3rd floor(mimics) its all about luck, as soon as you get the time chest go to next floor and ignore the rest of them.

on the last floor(elementals) you don't have to kill them all for the final chest to pop, just one random set of them. Here you can just farm as many as you can, and when you have ~5 min left go see if the chest has popped, if so keep killing till you have like 30 sec left and open it.

shitty coins and items, but if you are looking for a way to beat sw with few people, thats the best way my group has found.

final chest pops on SW when you kill the elemental set that corresponds to current day.

[niwaar]

Fafnir can be killed in 2 minutes (thundaga x3 --> nuke x3 --> nuke x3 --> ES+ sleep. Manafont, thundaga --> another ES+sleep nukex3. pop bene chest and finish it (usually use ES+sleep a last time after benediction).

Normally, we get to last floor with 30-35 minutes depending how well it goes. We use 1 manafont per behemoth and kill KB in 20min

Wow, I thought we were good. We usually clear 2-3 ghost and buffalo and kill Pluto and the Ram. Then clear Bugard, Wyvern and BH leaving Mossy, Faf and KB alone. We have tried KB and just can't get it done. The best before we got double weak was 30%. I just want to know how you survive vs Faf. thats 3 rounds of casting with no sleeps to start out with. Even with a single BLM subbing /nin i dont see how you can survive that long. I would really love to see more coins and perhaps more chances at a +1 item (we always seem to get bard and whm these days). We go as BLM/RDMx2, BLM/WHM, RDM/WHM, any tips would be helpful. We get 35-40 coins +2 items, which is nice average of 9 coins a piece.

[Kaylia]

Fafnir can be killed in 2 minutes (thundaga x3 --> nuke x3 --> nuke x3 --> ES+ sleep. Manafont, thundaga --> another ES+sleep nukex3. pop bene chest and finish it (usually use ES+sleep a last time after benediction).

Normally, we get to last floor with 30-35 minutes depending how well it goes. We use 1 manafont per behemoth and kill KB in 20min

Wow, I thought we were good. We usually clear 2-3 ghost and buffalo and kill Pluto and the Ram. Then clear Bugard, Wyvern and BH leaving Mossy, Faf and KB alone. We have tried KB and just can't get it done. The best before we got double weak was 30%. I just want to know how you survive vs Faf. thats 3 rounds of casting with no sleeps to start out with. Even with a single BLM subbing /nin i dont see how you can survive that long. I would really love to see more coins and perhaps more chances at a +1 item (we always seem to get bard and whm these days). We go as BLM/RDMx2, BLM/WHM, RDM/WHM, any tips would be helpful. We get 35-40 coins +2 items, which is nice average of 9 coins a piece.

We gravity kite fafnir. I usually try when it's possible to keep hate on blm/nin because it's easy to blink tank (and if i lose hate, I should get it back before it reach the other). You could do it with 3 blm/rdm no problem, just make sure whoever has hate kite it on gravity cause it can 2 shot many people.
You can also use background element like the big rock with 2 times chest to kite, but we don't need it anymore.

Fafnir has maybe 1.5 time more hp than pluto. It's really not that bad, it just run faster and hit harder. With 6xmanafont, 6 ES and 4 mp pool, there is no way to wipe unless people play retarded (nuke with thunder and water only).

With good use of bene chest, fafnir barely slow you down and make you waste 2-4 minutes at most



For king behemoth, just try it again a few more time and you should beat it. I remember having trouble on the first few run, but it's much easier now. Make sure to unequip z.mitt and use war af1 hand, try to get as much int and elemental skill as you can (merit do a great difference here). T4 and B4 should take 4-5% off his hp every time (and resist like 1/2 of the time), you can aspir it and drain it too if you have hate. Bio2 probably deal ~3% every time and is easy to stick even when you have hate.
Not having your spell resisted here is to key to win. If most of you have "gimped" merit or use m.atk+ gear, chance is you wont land enough spell to kill it fast.

I really recommand having the 3rd blm sub nin or rdm instead of whm. It's a nice sub in certain situation, just not in this limbus

[Halon50]

you can win SW apollyon with 6 people with a setup like this:

final chest pops on SW when you kill the elemental set that corresponds to current day.

A minor correction here: The final chest pops when you kill the 3 elementals that correspond to the day that you entered. Confirmed this our last SW run, entered on Earthday, started killing elementals when it rolled over to Watersday (we entered the elemental level on Earthday I believe). We killed Water elementals with no chest pop, then killed Earth elementals at the very end and the chest popped.

[fat_kat]

oh cool thx for the tip

[niwaar]

Thanks alot, well our third blm just finished her rdm sub, but we kind of like having a way to raise up if things go bad for some reason. I am guessing blm/nin would be nice to try though. Thanks for the ideas. I am still not quite sure how you would kite Faf, but its nice to know that its possible.

[bercus]

Make sure to unequip z.mitt and use war af1 hand, try to get as much int and elemental skill as you can

I know i know you meant BLM AF1 hands, but I stopped reading after WAR AF1 hands quick and was like WTF? :D >.<

Anyway pretty interesting this Thread so far how others do this.

[Kaylia]

Thanks alot, well our third blm just finished her rdm sub, but we kind of like having a way to raise up if things go bad for some reason. I am guessing blm/nin would be nice to try though. Thanks for the ideas. I am still not quite sure how you would kite Faf, but its nice to know that its possible.

Use reraise hairpin all the time. Shit happen all the time in that BC, especially to Taru. Death are usually avoidable, but a minor screw up can get you killed fast here since everything can double attack for 700dmg.

About fafnir, if you land gravity, it's really easy to land nuke on it. I take my distance and cast T4. By the time it reach me, I will recast utsu ichi, take a few step back and cast Water4. Then use utsu ni and follow with thundaga usually. It can be done in about 20-25 sec. After that, we follow like I said with ES sleep --> nuke--> ES sleep + manafont + nuke ...etc

With /rdm only, you will just have to trade hate after one nuke and wait for someone else to get hate. Not really harder if you're careful, just make sure not to get hit since he will rape ss in one hit and never your shadow.

Make sure to unequip z.mitt and use war af1 hand, try to get as much int and elemental skill as you can

I know i know you meant BLM AF1 hands, but I stopped reading after WAR AF1 hands quick and was like WTF? :D >.<

Anyway pretty interesting this Thread so far how others do this.

I've done worse I always swap word for no reason when I'm tired .

Gogo atk+ and enmity+ glove on blm!

[Ayn]

Hi there. Not sure if I'm late here, but I do Limbus with a small group like yours. It's grown somewhat in the past few weeks, but we go in with anywhere from 6-10 people. Using a one party set up (with the jobs in our group) we'd go in with:

NIN/WAR
THF/NIN
BRD/WHM
BLM/RDM
BLM/RDM
RDM/BLM

Apollyon SE is a complete and utter joke with this set up. On floor 2, the NIN equips a dagger and we do Evis -> Sharkbite or Evis -> DE. On the third floor, I go dual swords (Seiryu's and Cermet, and recently, Seiryu's + Ridill); on the last floor, mages simply camp stuns.

For NW, we skip all the bosses except Kaiser Behemoth (recently we've found that we can do the doom toad thing on the first floor).

NE isn't *too* bad. The roughest floors can be the bird floor (we opt to kill everything -- but you know how Perytons can be bitchy) and the Gigas Floor (if you get the wrong mob). The joy about doing Northeast with one alliance is that on the doll/pot floor, only one set will pop, which is the only Doll you'll have to kill to open the gate.

Fortunately, the Dhalmels on the last floor were a joke. The last time we did it, we ended up killing all three Gigas mobs (turns out the portal spawned on the second one, but everyone thought I'd pulled the third one on purpose) so had to rush the Dhalmels..but the die fast. When you kill all the Dhalmels, you can open up the chest -- just flee past the Kirin Juniors, or whatnot.

SW sucks. There's no iff, ands, or buts about it. When we did it, we had about 7, and it was a clutch victory. The only thing I've seen is that the elementals you kill on the last floor correspond to the current elemental day, rather than the element of the day you entered.

Temenos. . lesse. We've never attempted Temenos North yet. We've cleared Temenos West with 6 people before (got lucky with Time chest, plus we had a THF with a Ridill and a WAR with a Ridill, so). Temenos east we've done with..6-7. It's not really hard, you just have to have competent stunners. While Temenos west is *heavily* luck based, I fin dit alot more exciting than Temenos East.

Basically, with the exception of Apollyon SE, we usually have to decide between farming or the clear when we go in. Hopefully this was helpful.

[Halon50]

The only thing I've seen is that the elementals you kill on the last floor correspond to the current elemental day, rather than the element of the day you entered.

Yes, I'm thinking that it's the elemental day corresponding to the exact time the first person entered the Elementals level. Our group entered on Earthday, but were killing elementals on Waterday. Somewhere in between it rolled over, but I didn't keep track of exactly when we entered the final level. We needed to kill Earth Elementals before the chest would spawn.

[Stouter]

West is very random, we've won with 6 (nin nin rdm rdm blm mnk) killing everything except 5 slimes, with almost 10 minutes left. We've also gone in with around 12 and run out of time on lizards due to 0 time extensions.

The portal up opens when you kill any mob, so if you just kill one and zone up for the first 6 floors you can probably get to the last floor with 10 minutes left with a solid DD party. I'd suggest Nin Mnk Mnk Brd Blm Whm. You need solid 2 hours to take out 6 birds at once Hundred Fists tore through one bird pretty fast for us, and we were finishing the 2nd one when ES sleepga II wore.

North can be done with 6 too. Kill one Rdm Moblin for portal, then both wars for time chest, sleep anything else and go up. Kill mnk gigas then zone up. Kill drg sahagin, sleep the rest and zone up. Kill one demon, sleep his partner and zone up. Kill all 4 ants and get time chest and go up. Avoid the first pair on tonberries, and kill the blm, then pull the solo thf to open the door up, then avoid aggro and kill the nin for chests, you should be able to take item here if mijin doesn't rock you. Last floor 6 goblins at once.

We went farming for NIN AF in north with 7 or 8, pld nin war brd rdm rdm blm or something along those lines, and we got the tonberry chest with a lot of sloppy play. We got 2 item chests and 2 extensions, and didn't try for the last floor. We basically did the previous paragraph except toss in killing sahagin whm and brd for the chest, linking and wiping on gigas floor, and aggroing the first tonberry pair.

[niwaar]

About fafnir, if you land gravity, it's really easy to land nuke on it. I take my distance and cast T4. By the time it reach me, I will recast utsu ichi, take a few step back and cast Water4. Then use utsu ni and follow with thundaga usually. It can be done in about 20-25 sec. After that, we follow like I said with ES sleep --> nuke--> ES sleep + manafont + nuke ...etc

Thanks alot, we did this "shorthanded" as Blm/whm, Blm/rdm, Rdm/whm yesterday. It took us some time, but it was a hell of a lot of fun, that we would have never had if you hadn't said that you could do it so easy.

I do not know how long it takes you guys to kill it. It took the three of us a decent amount of time. We had a bad "Kill all the buffalo to get the vortex to open" level, otherwise we walked away with 41 coins and 2 all important BLM +1 pieces. Oh and btw while sleep only works with ES, as a Red Mage I was never resisted with Bind.

[Kaylia]

About fafnir, if you land gravity, it's really easy to land nuke on it. I take my distance and cast T4. By the time it reach me, I will recast utsu ichi, take a few step back and cast Water4. Then use utsu ni and follow with thundaga usually. It can be done in about 20-25 sec. After that, we follow like I said with ES sleep --> nuke--> ES sleep + manafont + nuke ...etc

Thanks alot, we did this "shorthanded" as Blm/whm, Blm/rdm, Rdm/whm yesterday. It took us some time, but it was a hell of a lot of fun, that we would have never had if you hadn't said that you could do it so easy.

I do not know how long it takes you guys to kill it. It took the three of us a decent amount of time. We had a bad "Kill all the buffalo to get the vortex to open" level, otherwise we walked away with 41 coins and 2 all important BLM +1 pieces. Oh and btw while sleep only works with ES, as a Red Mage I was never resisted with Bind.

I knew Fafnir could be slept, so we just went one day and decided to try it. We ended up wiping, but got it low enough to know we could beat it. Trying new stuff is fun, and it can pay off sometime ;p If only someone could figure a way to beat turtle too now >_>

We rarely do it with rdm, and the only thing we can land easily is gravity (75%). It will be nice to know next time we do it with rdm, could be useful. Our first few kill were sloppy too, but you should be able to kill it fast next few time. If your blm uses elemental skill+ and merit, they shouldnt get resisted much, and they have enough mp to finish it without resting.

[niwaar]

We rarely do it with rdm, and the only thing we can land easily is gravity (75%). It will be nice to know next time we do it with rdm, could be useful. Our first few kill were sloppy too, but you should be able to kill it fast next few time. If your blm uses elemental skill+ and merit, they shouldnt get resisted much, and they have enough mp to finish it without resting.

Well, I am the gimp one in the group and doesn't have BLM leveled. past 37. We used to do this with me as bard, but bard can't sleep ANYTHING in Apollyon so it just wasn't worth it.

Yeah, our BLM's are mostly in Weskit/Af2/AF+1 sets, I honestly do not know how much +skill there is on those pieces. We were slow, because one of our BLM's is newly 75 and had never fought a Wyrm as anything other than WHM or SMN. Took a bit to get the only "Thunder/Water" thing down. FFXI is a learning process, we came, we saw, we conquered. Next time itll be "we came, we saw, we conquered faster.

[Kaylia]

I updated the original post if anyone is interested. Hope it will help some people to farm limbus for more omega/ultima and coin. I'm going to try central limbus next week and tell you how it goes. >_> Hopefully we can farm them with 6 too.

Sorry for the necro bumb, didnt want to start a new thread for the same thing.

[Kero]

As long as this has been bumped, how do small groups deal with 2nd and 3rd floor bosses of Apollyon SE? I've been thinking of trying a 4-man farming group for this zone, NIN MNK RDM BRD. Presumably the NIN can hold kraken with double mambos, but I'm afraid of the melee getting raped by counters/100fists. And I'm not totally sure what to do about charm from corse <_<. Any advice is welcome.

[Ichthyos]

As long as this has been bumped, how do small groups deal with 2nd and 3rd floor bosses of Apollyon SE? I've been thinking of trying a 4-man farming group for this zone, NIN MNK RDM BRD. Presumably the NIN can hold kraken with double mambos, but I'm afraid of the melee getting raped by counters/100fists. And I'm not totally sure what to do about charm from corse <_<. Any advice is welcome.

Get a THF. It'll push the coin count up, and 3 frontliners makes it easier anyway. For the Kraken, open with an Evisc -> DE Distortion and have a THF hold hate through Hundred Fists with Mambos. Perfect Dodge if needed. During the Corse fight, keep Grav on and have the Bard have Horde ready for charmed people. Kite as necessary if shadows are down or if the wrong person has hate.