Low number Limbus

[whitey]

Nice Kay! How you been last few weeks?



I would so marry kay His mith Char is Hawt lol

[Kaylia]

w-t-h. who are you? >_>

[hyuuga]

Apollyon SE nin/whm solo:

I use evasion gear and only switch for WS. Always able to get to second floor and 1 crab.

Edit: (Forgot weapon for crab)
Heart Snatcher / Behemoth+1 (lazy to test which one works better mainhand, post reply if you know for sure thx).

Tarutaru: Merits: 1 STR, 2 Evasion, 4 Katana, 4 Subtle Blow.
Food: Sole sushi most of the time, used some meat a couple of times gave me almost same result.

Senju / Shiranui
Gear:
Evasion(tp)
O.hat
Evasion Torque
Scorp Harness
Seiryu kote
Ungur Boomerang
Evasion Earring <--- Change to suppa if you feel comfortable.
Brutal Earring
Thunder Ring (+5 Dex) (Sometimes Flame ring, imo no difference).
Jaeger Ring
Amemet Mantle
Scouter's Rope
Byakko's Haidate
Fuma boots

WS gear:
Shura head
Breeze gorget
Minuet earring
Brutal Earring
Haubergeon
Nin tekko +1
Flame Ring
Thunder Ring
Amemet
Warwolf belt
Byakko haidate
Rutters sabatons

A couple of more slots can be changed for evasion and or atk enhancement, back(boxer's), hands(atk kote vs. seiryu kote). rings choice, and head(walahra vs. ohat or something else, i use ohat just to be safe) Usually bring 4-5 yag drinks and 1 hi-ether, always have a hi-pot tank with a few out, 2-3. I have ninjutsu torque and af head on casting ninjutsu everytime just to be safe. *Unless you're shit hot with gear and merits and have relic, you will not recover from a reraise to have enough time to get past first floor regardless of where you're at on the first floor.

Same exact setup for Temenos North.

[HealingVision02]

Duo'd Apollyon NW last night pretty easily. BLM BLM, we just went for floor-ups until fourth floor where we full cleared from that (including bosses).

Cynoprosopi was harder than Kaiser Behemoth. He was pretty susceptible to Gravity, but our Binds were iffy. We just nuked with solely Thunder IV until our MP was gone, manafont > Thundaga3 > Burst2 > Thunder4 > ES Sleep2. At this point we popped the chest and he was at like 15%, so it was an easy finish, though I got Absolute Terrored in the end. Would have been easier RDM + BLM I think, so Bind wouldn't have been as hard to land, and Refresh/Haste etc.

KB just kinda took awhile. Kept to Blizzard4 and Aspir'd halfway around the circle to keep MP regening. Had one person rest while the other kited/kept hate when necessary, but our MP stayed up for nearly the whole fight. Shouldn't have any deaths if you know how to kite him.

Only had one death on the lower floors (I had slept a Bugard or something to get a time chest and it woke up, linked some people, and charged me right before I hit the portal) and a death 5 secs from the KB kill while I performed a suicide nuke for the finish XD He had like 50 HP leftover that my partner took care of >_> But I had manafont up and didn't wanna waste it.

So many coins (39 split between 2 people), I don't think I'll ever do that with more than 2-3 ever again, haha.

[Fated]

do you mind posting what kind of gear you two were sporting? I don't need specifics, but just if you have any sort of "desirables" or not

[amylea]

You don't really need anything special when it comes to gear to duo this. By "desirables" I'm assuming you mean stuff like Gaiters, Novio, the former does help with Faf and KB, but is in no way a necessity. Novio obviously would just speed it up a bit, but I always tend to have a lot of extra time left in the end when duoing/small manning this that I'm sure I wouldn't need to bring my Novio at all to win.

Also, if Faf terror's one of the BLM's I'd suggest saving ES seal sleep 2 for it seeing as how random the duration is.

[Kaylia]

Terror is annoying, but worst thing is breath when you duo/trio it. Only one person is going to get hit, but they are going to take full damage most likely.

[Kaeko]

You don't need those big ticket items to do this well I think. Being Taru is the #1 thing you can have on this.

As far as success in this zone as a BLM solo/duo, I think you just need to be well merited and have a good MP pool. Most BLMs will disregard or downplay the importance of your maximum MP, but its importance is really highlighted if you low man this zone for 3 reasons -

1) There are a lot of "refresh" chests so the fact taht max MP does not affect HMP does not hurt as much
2) Mobs have a lot of HP here so the more max MP you have, the less you have to rest to kill it off
3) Final fight is an endurance fight, but you're not a rdm (best endurance soloer), so maximum MP helps speed kill a good deal if you use the nuke trick

This is why generally, the most successful stories from low manning this zone with RDM and BLM are taru or have at least 1+ taru.

Never really attempted fafnir low man so can't comment on that one.

[Ryda]

Just another NIN soloing limbus anecdote since there seems to be plenty of interest in that. I'm sorry my first real post is a huge text wall. I figure people who are interested in this will want all the detail they can get.

My girlfriend is a BRD 75, so I will generally duo Limbus with her, but occasionally she will be out of town and I will go alone. I have experience only with Temenos-N and Apollyon SE solo/duo. Relevant merits are 8 katana, 4 eva, 4 crit, 4 ninjutsu, 2 str, 0 subtle blow. Hume

Apollyon SE- 9-10 coins solo

My prefered solo setup for this is NIN/THF. I am deeply in love with windower macros and have the following macros:

TP + Ni Macro
Senj/Perdu
Fire Bomblet
W.Turban
Peacock Charm
Brutal/Suppa
Nin Chainmail+1
Dusk Gloves
Ultham's/Rajas
Amemet+1
Swift Belt
Byakko's Haidate
Fuma Sune-ate

Eva: O-hat, Eva Torque, Scorp Harness, Rasetsu Tekko
Boxer's, Scouter's Rope, Dance Shoes

WS: not relevant to soloing so I'll omit

I have ninjustu torque/earring and AF head macro's for ninjutsu.

So essentialy I begin with my Eva macro, then Para pull, slow and blind.
After that I will switch to TP gear. I have my recasts visible, so I do my best to gauge how I'm doing on shadows. If I feel like I need to I'll switch to Eva to help bridge the potential gap to a fresh Utsu cast. Even though I lack an Unger and don't bother putting in eva earrings (that is that last place you want to add eva if you have suppa/brutal) the acc of the slimes with my Eva set on is well under 50%. Calling it 25% may be overstating it, but that is what I would guess. If anyone gets anything out of this post, I hope it is realizing how powerful an Eva macro can be, in Limbus and otherwise. In salvage/assault/limbus we all find ourselves trying to get Ichi up without a Ni shadow to protect us, and pressing a button to reduce a mobs acc to 25% and below makes getting Ichi up trivial. I have my Ni macro setup with all of that you see above for TPing for obvious reasons. By Ichi macro however doesnt change my gear. If have my eva set on I likely have no shadows and want to keep that eva on during the cast. I also cant remeber coming up short of my Ichi timer whether or not I had haste on when my recast was calculated.

If I get below 50% HP through some goof up i just finish the fight in Eva gear and it is quite hard to get hit again since you can Ni to Ni with this much Eva.

For meds, Ill bring hi-pots from a tank, the tank itself, and maybe a Regen drink or two. I would likely take less, but i do salvage so often i don't mind clogging my inventory with hi-pots because they will usually be used later in the day. For food I always use meat for a few reasons. I have the pcc, bomblet, ultham's and perdu adding to my acc and 8/8 katana merits. So from a "What does more damage/time" I think meat adds more, though I cant quote acc% parses on this. More important i think, is that I clear the floor either way, but the mechanism sushi increases damage is a mechanism that increases mob TP.

Anyway, Rule #1 for me is to not put myself in a situation where i need to rest for HP. It is an absolute time killer. So I'm quick to hit that Eva macro if I smell trouble. Keep all your debuffs on at all times, and you shouldnt run out of time. I also sometimes substitute boxer's for Amemet in my TP setup with the thinking that 10 eva skill will add more damage though reducing shadow casting than the amemet will add.

A more aggresive method is to just /war. You just 25 eva (iirc) from /thf, and lose 10% DA and zerk. I can add 25 eva easily without sacrificing any gear that compares to the /war bonuses. Amemet-> boxer's, Dusk-> Rasetsu for 10 skill and 10 raw eva sacrificing -20 att, 2 str and 3% haste. I would drop swift for Scouter's next if i wanted more eva. I think it goes without saying that the /war will be a stronger DD than /thf even with gear choices made to make their total eva equivalent. The real issue here is that your total possible eva is reduced. You already have a significant portion of your eva gear on full time, when you hit that eva macro you still max at 25 less eva than /thf. So your "Oh shit" safety net is less powerful should you need it. The *real* issue, is actually just the mob drop rates on coins being wildly affected by /thf. Better to get 6-7 coins in 9 mobs with /thf and accept the fact that you wont kill much on the second floor than to /war for a more dangerous fight get 3-4 coins in mobs and kill extra crabs on the second floor with the same crappy /war drop rate. My objection to any sub but /thf would be the same. /thf will clear the floor just as well as /rdm or /whm (and imo better) and get you extra coins in the process with treasure hunter.

Temenos-N

Identical as above, except i wouldnt risk /war. Time is not an issue but living is. The mobs are bastards if you give them TP, so I accept my poor acc and use meat and the eva setup with /thf. Bring eye drops and bite the bullet and buy some remedy just in case. Dont be aggresive, keep 2 shadows up at all times if you can during two hour. A mighty strikes goblin rush can put you down fast. I assume everyone knows you only fight the WAR mob in the side room and the WAR mob in the corner of the 3rd room to pop the chest and avoid the rest.
This is a crap run for coins. Its harder than Apollyon and the first floor mobs dont drop for shit. But if you want your NIN AF+1 and dont want to join a group, its the way to go.


I have also soloed Silver Sea's Remnants F1 on NIN to farm the Usukane Head 35 peice NM Hammerblow "No drop" Majunnsomthing. I am 0/20+ which is combined solo/duo/LS/pickup run stats. I can say a little about that if there is interest.

Also, with NIN+BRD we will clear three floors of Temenos-N to pop the item chest on that floor for elphie's BLM item. Low coin rate. NIN/THF +BRD on Apollyon SE will clear the first two floors netting about 17 coins.

Hope this helps someone!

[Vistani]

3 is the ideal number for Apollyon SE coin return wise I think, beatable duo but you probably end up better off fully clearing the zone and getting a lot more coins.

[Ryda]

I havn't given much thought to adding a person. With NIN and BRD what job would I add to allow us to kill the Kraken and Corse bosses? BLM alone could take down the Kraken? Or RNG?

[Vistani]

We were war brd rdm and cleared every mob in the zone with a good amount of time to spare, I don't know if NIN has enough offensive power to do it with 2 support though. RDM WAR we opened last chest with under a minute left, although I'm sure on a second try it could be done way more efficiently.

[Ryda]

I was more asking how to kill the second and third floor NMs an survive.
I have only done 2 runs before where those were killed, it was long ago with a larger group, but remember deaths and widespread panic. I assumed you couldn't straight tank the kraken. I guess I just inherited alot of misconceptions from runs done before I knew what was going on, and too long ago to remember.

So straight tanking the kraken is doable? I assume with mambo and eva setup like Charby? And the Corse? I get charmed, they bind/grav me and then hold the boss till I'm uncharmed? Thats more what my question is, how do I deal with those bosses, or do i think it is way harder that it truly is?

As far as offensive power I doubt it will be an issue (though joytoy is piercing iirc. If the way used that on crabs it would certainly be a massive bonus over my Misercorde/Hornetneddle). But in general my DD NIN is pretty unmatched. I offer my last merit PT parse (screens if needed) from Nyzul mamools.

Ryda______33.04% damage%, 289,930 total damage
MNK/NIN___33.47% damage%, 293,707 total damage
MNK/NIN___32.89% damage%, 288,588
BRD MarchX2 (madrigal on Lurkers)
BRD MinuetX2
RDM hasting all 3

MNK equips were pretty much as pimped as it gets, no usukane or relic, but faith torque, brutal, shura+1, bkote, rajas, snipers+1, fuma/dune, haidate, black belt, foragers. WS gear was more Shura and what not.
Full kick/counter h2h and str merits on the 33.47% guy (hume). I dont know about the other guy but assume the same went for him.

I guess no one here needs to be told DD NIN can be very strong, but reaching more or less parity with MNKs while voking and without relic was a bit suprising.

[Vistani]

Keep grav up on the kraken so you can run for shadows, really helps when you get countered 50 times in a row. Corse is just not very strong, if you get charmed it's very easy for a rdm to outpath you + the corse just running around the porter.

[Ryda]

I'll give it a go, thanks

[Vistani]

Beat Temenos W with 3, didn't really get lucky with chests, but didn't get unlucky either. Seemed pretty repeatable.

[OctavoGilgamesh]

Beat Temenos W with 3, didn't really get lucky with chests, but didn't get unlucky either. Seemed pretty repeatable.

That's pretty impressive I might add. I've tried this with 4, and with only 1 te, timed out on the 3rd floor only. How many mobs did you fight on each floor and what was your jobs?

[Vistani]

MNK MNK BRD

1st floor 6 tigers dropped a restore chest, pretty much a moot point in terms of completion because we started with 2 hours down. Huge waste of time, got like 2 coins or something and wasted a good 10 minutes.
2nd floor 1, maybe 2 mandies then we went up.
3rd floor I (BRD) 2 houred, we killed 4 of the beetles and got a time chest.
4th floor we killed around 5 lizards I think and got a time chest.
5th floor we killed 1 slime and went up.
6th floor we killed all the pugils, the 2 mnks 2 houred on these. A restore and item chest dropped.
7th floor we killed all 6 birds(obviously).
We got one more item chest somewhere, was either on the lizard or beetle floor, won with around 5 minutes left.

[OctavoGilgamesh]

MNK MNK BRD

2nd floor 1, maybe 2 mandies then we went up.

I think that is what I'll try next time, we killed all the mandies and didn't get a time chest to show for it. Those were a pain for my nin to tank with counter and all.

[Kaeko]

Looking for some specific info on Apollyon SW (first floor Fomors, last floor Elementals). I found some pretty scattered information on the old Wiki and hope someone here can confirm or deny it...

- 10 Fomors on 1F, 2 of each race. Portal and Chest pop from the 2 of the same race as the person that first entered zone.

- "Mage Fomors" (I assume Taru BLM and mithra RDM?) are "extremely resistant to magic" (I question this one).

In addition I wanted to ask something about the Mimics on 3F. I know they draw in if outside targets get hate. Can you just walk 1-2 steps outside of melee range to avoid this though? Or will it still draw you in even at such close distances to melee you? I know for things like Diabolos you can stay out of melee range and not trigger draw in.

Thanks!