Low number Limbus

[mackerel]

Looking for some specific info on Apollyon SW (first floor Fomors, last floor Elementals). I found some pretty scattered information on the old Wiki and hope someone here can confirm or deny it...

- 10 Fomors on 1F, 2 of each race. Portal and Chest pop from the 2 of the same race as the person that first entered zone.

- "Mage Fomors" (I assume Taru BLM and mithra RDM?) are "extremely resistant to magic" (I question this one).

In addition I wanted to ask something about the Mimics on 3F. I know they draw in if outside targets get hate. Can you just walk 1-2 steps outside of melee range to avoid this though? Or will it still draw you in even at such close distances to melee you? I know for things like Diabolos you can stay out of melee range and not trigger draw in.

Thanks!

You won't have a problem nuking or sleeping the fomors.
I've slept mimics before on BRD, they can spam draw-in even if you don't move after the last draw-in, even while sleeping. I've been able to sleep them and run away sometimes before, other times I can't take a step without draw-in and have to be rescued.

[Suiram]

Looking for some specific info on Apollyon SW (first floor Fomors, last floor Elementals). I found some pretty scattered information on the old Wiki and hope someone here can confirm or deny it...

- 10 Fomors on 1F, 2 of each race. Portal and Chest pop from the 2 of the same race as the person that first entered zone.

- "Mage Fomors" (I assume Taru BLM and mithra RDM?) are "extremely resistant to magic" (I question this one).

In addition I wanted to ask something about the Mimics on 3F. I know they draw in if outside targets get hate. Can you just walk 1-2 steps outside of melee range to avoid this though? Or will it still draw you in even at such close distances to melee you? I know for things like Diabolos you can stay out of melee range and not trigger draw in.

Thanks!

The 2 of each race thing is definitely true, and it is based on the race of the person who entered, not sure about the magic resistance part. The mimic thing I'm not sure on either but I want to say I've seen them draw someone in from just outside melee range, since their hate is weird when you first open it, and isn't always directed at the person who opened it, but possibly the closest person or something.

If you are trying to figure out a way to solo it, I think it should be possible. Our limbus group typically gets 12-16 people for runs, and splits up zones whenever possible. I think we usually send 4 to this zone, 5 if we have enough people, and just do 2 fomors > items > port > big tree > port > mimics until we get item chest or 7ish minutes left in the zone (assuming we've killed at least one to open portal) > port > elementals of the current day of the week.

The fomors link really far, so you might spend some time on first floor waiting on a good pull, the trees can all be easily avoided on your way to finding the big one, and the elementals don't aggro sight/sound and don't link, although they may aggro magic as I've never thought to risk it. Hope this helps.

[Kaeko]

Looking for some specific info on Apollyon SW (first floor Fomors, last floor Elementals). I found some pretty scattered information on the old Wiki and hope someone here can confirm or deny it...

- 10 Fomors on 1F, 2 of each race. Portal and Chest pop from the 2 of the same race as the person that first entered zone.

- "Mage Fomors" (I assume Taru BLM and mithra RDM?) are "extremely resistant to magic" (I question this one).

In addition I wanted to ask something about the Mimics on 3F. I know they draw in if outside targets get hate. Can you just walk 1-2 steps outside of melee range to avoid this though? Or will it still draw you in even at such close distances to melee you? I know for things like Diabolos you can stay out of melee range and not trigger draw in.

Thanks!

The 2 of each race thing is definitely true, and it is based on the race of the person who entered, not sure about the magic resistance part. The mimic thing I'm not sure on either but I want to say I've seen them draw someone in from just outside melee range, since their hate is weird when you first open it, and isn't always directed at the person who opened it, but possibly the closest person or something.

If you are trying to figure out a way to solo it, I think it should be possible. Our limbus group typically gets 12-16 people for runs, and splits up zones whenever possible. I think we usually send 4 to this zone, 5 if we have enough people, and just do 2 fomors > items > port > big tree > port > mimics until we get item chest or 7ish minutes left in the zone (assuming we've killed at least one to open portal) > port > elementals of the current day of the week.

The fomors link really far, so you might spend some time on first floor waiting on a good pull, the trees can all be easily avoided on your way to finding the big one, and the elementals don't aggro sight/sound and don't link, although they may aggro magic as I've never thought to risk it. Hope this helps.

Thanks. I guess I have to do a test run to figure this stuff out myself since it's a bit obscure. Yea, I'm going to make an attempt as soloing it since it really only requires killing 6 mobs in 30 minutes. last 3 can probably be ga3'd ODS style as well. My only issue is the mimic if I cannot avoid taking melee hits on it. Best I could do is full buff, open with strongest nuke, 2hr, and pray I kill it before it kills me.

Any idea how much HP one has?

[aurik]

Looking for some specific info on Apollyon SW (first floor Fomors, last floor Elementals). I found some pretty scattered information on the old Wiki and hope someone here can confirm or deny it...

- 10 Fomors on 1F, 2 of each race. Portal and Chest pop from the 2 of the same race as the person that first entered zone.

- "Mage Fomors" (I assume Taru BLM and mithra RDM?) are "extremely resistant to magic" (I question this one).

In addition I wanted to ask something about the Mimics on 3F. I know they draw in if outside targets get hate. Can you just walk 1-2 steps outside of melee range to avoid this though? Or will it still draw you in even at such close distances to melee you? I know for things like Diabolos you can stay out of melee range and not trigger draw in.

Thanks!

The 2 of each race thing is definitely true, and it is based on the race of the person who entered, not sure about the magic resistance part. The mimic thing I'm not sure on either but I want to say I've seen them draw someone in from just outside melee range, since their hate is weird when you first open it, and isn't always directed at the person who opened it, but possibly the closest person or something.

If you are trying to figure out a way to solo it, I think it should be possible. Our limbus group typically gets 12-16 people for runs, and splits up zones whenever possible. I think we usually send 4 to this zone, 5 if we have enough people, and just do 2 fomors > items > port > big tree > port > mimics until we get item chest or 7ish minutes left in the zone (assuming we've killed at least one to open portal) > port > elementals of the current day of the week.

The fomors link really far, so you might spend some time on first floor waiting on a good pull, the trees can all be easily avoided on your way to finding the big one, and the elementals don't aggro sight/sound and don't link, although they may aggro magic as I've never thought to risk it. Hope this helps.

Thanks. I guess I have to do a test run to figure this stuff out myself since it's a bit obscure. Yea, I'm going to make an attempt as soloing it since it really only requires killing 6 mobs in 30 minutes. last 3 can probably be ga3'd ODS style as well. My only issue is the mimic if I cannot avoid taking melee hits on it. Best I could do is full buff, open with strongest nuke, 2hr, and pray I kill it before it kills me.

Any idea how much HP one has?

You won't be able to target a mimic before you aggro it.

We've done this zone with MNKx2 + BRD, and it is probably doable with 2.

[Kaeko]

Looking for some specific info on Apollyon SW (first floor Fomors, last floor Elementals). I found some pretty scattered information on the old Wiki and hope someone here can confirm or deny it...

- 10 Fomors on 1F, 2 of each race. Portal and Chest pop from the 2 of the same race as the person that first entered zone.

- "Mage Fomors" (I assume Taru BLM and mithra RDM?) are "extremely resistant to magic" (I question this one).

In addition I wanted to ask something about the Mimics on 3F. I know they draw in if outside targets get hate. Can you just walk 1-2 steps outside of melee range to avoid this though? Or will it still draw you in even at such close distances to melee you? I know for things like Diabolos you can stay out of melee range and not trigger draw in.

Thanks!

The 2 of each race thing is definitely true, and it is based on the race of the person who entered, not sure about the magic resistance part. The mimic thing I'm not sure on either but I want to say I've seen them draw someone in from just outside melee range, since their hate is weird when you first open it, and isn't always directed at the person who opened it, but possibly the closest person or something.

If you are trying to figure out a way to solo it, I think it should be possible. Our limbus group typically gets 12-16 people for runs, and splits up zones whenever possible. I think we usually send 4 to this zone, 5 if we have enough people, and just do 2 fomors > items > port > big tree > port > mimics until we get item chest or 7ish minutes left in the zone (assuming we've killed at least one to open portal) > port > elementals of the current day of the week.

The fomors link really far, so you might spend some time on first floor waiting on a good pull, the trees can all be easily avoided on your way to finding the big one, and the elementals don't aggro sight/sound and don't link, although they may aggro magic as I've never thought to risk it. Hope this helps.

Thanks. I guess I have to do a test run to figure this stuff out myself since it's a bit obscure. Yea, I'm going to make an attempt as soloing it since it really only requires killing 6 mobs in 30 minutes. last 3 can probably be ga3'd ODS style as well. My only issue is the mimic if I cannot avoid taking melee hits on it. Best I could do is full buff, open with strongest nuke, 2hr, and pray I kill it before it kills me.

Any idea how much HP one has?

You won't be able to target a mimic before you aggro it.

We've done this zone with MNKx2 + BRD, and it is probably doable with 2.

You have to click the box before it turns into a mimic? (I guess, I can't recall since it's rare to fight them for me). May be rough to solo because of this mimic unless I can 3 shot it with manafont. This does start to sound like a relatively easy duo route though.

[Suiram]

Yeah, there are 10 or so indistinguishable chests on the floor, one of each of time, items, and restore, and the rest which turn into enemies when you click them. The first one that you kill will unlock the portal, and I imagine the draw-in is to prevent people to running around popping chests for time/item after the portal is unlocked rather than fighting.

[aurik]

You have to click the box before it turns into a mimic? (I guess, I can't recall since it's rare to fight them for me). May be rough to solo because of this mimic unless I can 3 shot it with manafont. This does start to sound like a relatively easy duo route though.

You may be able to win virtue of stoneskin, blink, and then manafont when you run out of protection. IIRC they do not hit hard, so with proper BLM defense you may be able to take 7+ hits before your buffs are all gone. Could be enough to do bio2+drain+ga3 before needing to hit manafont.

First mimic is guaranteed to pop the portal to floor 4.

[Secksi]

We also run this zone with 4 but we go manaburn style on it, I didn't know about the chest/portal thing on the first floor, lol....I'm sure we could do it with fewer but we don't usually need more people in other towers. We typically have 10 people and run 2 towers at a time. Omega only.

4th floor elementals do aggro magic.

[Suiram]

Just to clarify one other thing, since it seems you haven't ever done this path before or at least not for a very long time, but when I said the elementals don't link, I meant that say, a Dark Elemental won't link with a Fire Elemental, however all 3 of the same element will come at you when you pull one.

[Vistani]

Beat Temenos N with the same setup as W (3 people), got a lot less coins and fucked up multiple times, still came out with 15 mins left.

[Cail]

beat Apollyon SE with 4. First one in overzealously pulled immediately. lol, he was not thinkign at all. Only 4 of us got in, BRD/WHM, BLU/NIN, WAR/NIN, NIN/WAR. We somehow pulled it off with like 10 seconds to go. 2nd floor sucked cuz NIN forgot daggers, WAR only had joyeuse, so it was mainly the BLU doing dmg. Was a ton of fun though lol

[Vistani]

Beat temenos E with 3, this zone is probably duoable though with like 2 really well equipped rdm/nins with k clubs.

[Tyramut]

Question, does killing the normal mobs on floors in Apollyon SW determine the strength and defense of the vortex boss like in Apollyon SE?

Namely talking about the jidra floor and the leafless jidra boss that pops the vortex.

thanks

[Secksi]

Question, does killing the normal mobs on floors in Apollyon SW determine the strength and defense of the vortex boss like in Apollyon SE?

Namely talking about the jidra floor and the leafless jidra boss that pops the vortex.

thanks

Only SE boss that normal mobs affect is the final weapon as far as I can tell(we only do 2 slimes+boss, and 2 crabs+boss, but clear all skeletons). We always go straight to the leafless tree to pass that floor, I've never noticed any difference in difficulty from times when I've cleared everything else first.

[aurik]

that tree is a fucking bitch no matter when you fight it.

[Secksi]

that tree is a fucking bitch no matter when you fight it.

This is the truth.

There was a time we went with a 5 person melee setup, SV buffed, melee's 2hr and everything, he used his AoE full dispel(leafstorm?) right away, followed up by his AoE fucking RAEP pinecone bomb. This was the last time we went with a melee only setup to this zone. We just manaburn now to avoid all the bullshit from that one tree, he goes down pretty easy with 3 blms.

[Kaeko]

For Apollyon SW, does anyone know if 3F mimics can be slept using Sleep II? I know Lullaby does land without trouble already but haven't seen anything on BLM sleep. I thought it was odd lullaby would work since MImic is a Light based mob.

[Vistani]

Beat first floor central temenos (ghost, skele, dragon etc.) with 4, had around five minutes left at the end. Dunno if it's common knowledge or not but it seems that fraudopedia is wrong, the monsters aren't in pairs, it is just first/second half of the mobs you fight (i.e. first 3 are weak second 3 are strong).

[Suiram]

Beat first floor central temenos (ghost, skele, dragon etc.) with 4, had around five minutes left at the end. Dunno if it's common knowledge or not but it seems that fraudopedia is wrong, the monsters aren't in pairs, it is just first/second half of the mobs you fight (i.e. first 3 are weak second 3 are strong).

Are you certain of this? We always used to just kill them one by one, but our last run here a few weeks ago we tried it this way, following the advice given by Bakthi and supported by a couple other posters in this thread, and which if my memory serves me is also the info on the other wiki: viewtopic.php?p=633229#p633229. The first pair we didn't do right (someone wasn't listening and killed the ahriman) but the other 2 pairs we did and they didn't seem to buff up. Also, for those pairs there was never a 2H dust-cloud animation that I believe corresponds to them being buffed up (although the dragon did use it, since like I said we did that set incorrectly).

[Bakthi]

Unless it was recently ninja-changed (and I can't imagine why), I'll stand by what I posted, which I originally got from Kaeko's livejournal. We've done that one many times with around 6 by killing them off in pairs.

If you kill the monsters in the order you encounter them, you'll kill off half of each pair first, so yes, the other three will be buffed.