Good Job SE

[NynJa]

claiming system is bugged to shit.

[Gulkeeva]

MPK'ing hasen't been so much fun when you can claim something and watch it rape another whole group...

and it stays claimed with no hate.. and wonders aimlessly claimed till you leave the zone o_O

[niwaar]

I wont quote you Celeras, but I will say this. If you hate people being far off base then you should actually think before you type. Since when was this about an "initial claim"? This is a clear example of a post initial claim attempt. I would call it a steal attempt, but to each their own. According to SE, claiming a monster who already has someone on its hate list requires the new individual to amass more hate on themselves than the monster has on the initial individual. In other words, Shield Bash isn't going to build enough hate to remove good ol'Faffles from someone who has spent a few minutes building up that hate. So in order for you to claim the monster you would have to amass enough hate to become higher on its hate list as someone from another alliance/party or the previous "claimer"'s hate has to decrease to a point where your hate is higher. All while the monster is unclaimed. The op points out that he used Shield Bash and his lsmate Provoked. So they both had some hate. The trick here is that initial claimer had to have had more hate at that moment and someone from the new claiming ls created more hate than the anyone else on Faf's hate list at the moment they claimed it. It is about the amount of hate you have at the time you use your JA/Spell/Melee/Ranged/etc.

You are correct about one thing though. Initial Claim has nothing to do with the amount of hate you can produce. But subsequent claims from wipe, steals, etc do. The pre TAU update info is quite clear http://www.playonline.com/pcd/update...h1/detail.html to me.

This doesn't effect post claim enmity spikes like that of the Invicible which is clearly the reason why Faf turned on the op after it was claimed.

[Alibeemac]

Just want to comment on this new system. A day or 2 after the system came into play, my ls claimed Faffy and due to it being in complete bitch mode we actually full wiped. However all 18 of us were dead yet it stayed red for us. We had an outside alliance ready to claim so they raised me and I slept it. I dropped alliance and then joined our outside alliance which we then went on to kill it because I took the claim with me to our 2nd alliance. During the process of all 18 of us being dead, it did not go unclaimed however several other ls' did attempt to take it and it ended up attacking and killing a lot of them. However due to the huge amount of hate needed to actually claim it at that point they were unable to do damage to it but it did damage to them. Was one of the most amusing things I have seen and actually made me praise SE for once as it is rare we ever get to claim that mobs due to DA usually having 100+ people present every day. I do agree tho that the new system appears to be bugged and can severly cause problems like in Sea on JoJ claiming the babies it spawns is hell now as they tend to eat the main alliance before the outside alliance can generate enough hate to pull them away. We had to change our strat slightly on JoJ cause of the new system =(

[Celeras]

I wont quote you Celeras, but I will say this. If you hate people being far off base then you should actually think before you type. Since when was this about an "initial claim"? This is a clear example of a post initial claim attempt. I would call it a steal attempt, but to each their own. According to SE, claiming a monster who already has someone on its hate list requires the new individual to amass more hate on themselves than the monster has on the initial individual. In other words, Shield Bash isn't going to build enough hate to remove good ol'Faffles from someone who has spent a few minutes building up that hate. So in order for you to claim the monster you would have to amass enough hate to become higher on its hate list as someone from another alliance/party or the previous "claimer"'s hate has to decrease to a point where your hate is higher. All while the monster is unclaimed. The op points out that he used Shield Bash and his lsmate Provoked. So they both had some hate. The trick here is that initial claimer had to have had more hate at that moment and someone from the new claiming ls created more hate than the anyone else on Faf's hate list at the moment they claimed it. It is about the amount of hate you have at the time you use your JA/Spell/Melee/Ranged/etc.

You are correct about one thing though. Initial Claim has nothing to do with the amount of hate you can produce. But subsequent claims from wipe, steals, etc do. The pre TAU update info is quite clear http://www.playonline.com/pcd/update...h1/detail.html to me.

This doesn't effect post claim enmity spikes like that of the Invicible which is clearly the reason why Faf turned on the op after it was claimed.

Actually, I was correct about everything, and you just reiterated what I already stated in a lengthy wall of text. And you obviously dont get why your original post is off the mark, so this conversation ends here. No reply needed.

P.S. for your enlightenment: The MPK patch wasn't made to stop half assed flail attempts, that was already solved with /blockaid. It was made to stop alliances from being completely wiped by a mob they cannot act upon. Now, for the mobs claim to change, his focus has to be drawn as well. Working as intended.

[Nermal]

Smart three different LS's landed stuff on it. Our LS also got Stun off on him, you however landed voke and Shield Bash. I found the who situation fairly amusing honestly, as we discussed in tellls. Then LS that claimed it nearly wiped in end, beating him with darters on them, and only two minutes before SSJ mode. Personally I was shocked they didn't get a Ridill, I thought it was 100% drop rate when you got forum drama!! :wink:

[Devek]

You guys need to stop posting chat logs of claims..

The chatlog is very unreliable when it comes to sequence and timing of events.

Some events(like melee attacks) that happen before a mob is fully spawned will compleatly fail to show at all.

If you are somewhat computer literate, you can scan mob+0x11C to see the index of the player that currently has claim.

[SephYuyX]

However, the main purpose of Darters is for utter raping and making those who never got a buffer for 75 look like fools infront of 200+

How I enjoy watching that event.

[Xyzor]

In the Name of Yin, I must confess- Darter was Senior Commander Shiznicle's idea I just beat him to making the character :D

Off with your head.

[XxSlusherxx]

However, the main purpose of Darters is for utter raping and making those who never got a buffer for 75 look like fools infront of 200+

How I enjoy watching that event.

I don't know if you were there on monday(your ls was), but someone from TC dlvled twice it was hillarious.

[Gatsby]

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Chain + Dia + Haste Gear

[SephYuyX]

However, the main purpose of Darters is for utter raping and making those who never got a buffer for 75 look like fools infront of 200+

How I enjoy watching that event.

I don't know if you were there on monday(your ls was), but someone from TC dlvled twice it was hillarious.

Meh, I havent been on in a month.

I think the best ive seen was almost a whole alliance get killed and level down, the simultaneous level down sound and the people it happened to made me laugh for quite a while.

[XxSlusherxx]

I can only guess who did that

[Rocl]

In the Name of Yin, I must confess- Darter was Senior Commander Shiznicle's idea I just beat him to making the character :D

Off with your head.

What >_> It was Shiz's idea. I stole it.

[Jeryhn]

The new claim patch causes claims to change with actions used on the monster in question. Using Bash and popping Invincible doesn't force the claim to you, because Invincible is not an ability used on a monster. It might make the monster want to focus on you hate-wise, but how many times do you use Invincible to claim or pull something?

Maybe if you were smart and used Provoke or Flash instead of Invincible, you'd have claimed it.

[Veli]

Still kind of crazy that you can attack a NM, have it hit you 3 times, then have somebody in from your ls provoke and not get claim. Did the person who casted stun get claim?

[NynJa]

The new claim patch causes claims to change with actions used on the monster in question. Using Bash and popping Invincible doesn't force the claim to you, because Invincible is not an ability used on a monster. It might make the monster want to focus on you hate-wise, but how many times do you use Invincible to claim or pull something?

Maybe if you were smart and used Provoke or Flash instead of Invincible, you'd have claimed it.

Invincible I understand...but why not Shield Bash ??

[Krandor]

Having no ones actions other then your own alliance's doesn't really show anything, not to mention that in the OP you failed to mention that you were taking the mob off a wiping LS and that wasn't at pop ._.

While you were shield bashing and your LS mate was voking in an attempt to claim off the wiping LS someone could have Flashed and Voked to spike their hate and take it off the wiping LS.

Still kind of crazy that you can attack a NM, have it hit you 3 times, then have somebody in from your ls provoke and not get claim.

The voke came before the Invincible.

[Smartdrv]

Cymry do you still have that list of fire resist gear? Much flaming I have found.

I would have thought that the Ernst was defeated by the darter would have been sufficient. But even if it was an initial claim the very fact that my LS was able to get multiple hate generating actions off on a mob and not get claim is very sloppy game design. If the other LS got their hate generating actions off before me, they should have been awarded claim and my Shield bash and Cymry's provoke should NOT have gone through.

Invincible was never used as a claim tool, but most LS will have one Paladin do it to secure hate when another LS wipes rather than risk having the mob keep running around the room after other people who may still be on the hate list...especially useful if it wasn't a tank who made the claim.

I'm not really upset by the whole thing, its just a Fafnir and it's not like we haven't killed dozens. I just think it hilarious where claiming a mob does not get you claim.

Oh yeah, couldn't voke, we use ninja sub on our Paladins for Fafnir/Nidhogg for efficiency.

[Ejac]

Looks to me as if you were trying to steal Fafnir or it went unclaimed? Maybe from the people that died above were wiping to darters? Just an accusation.

Could be incorrect.