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    Interesting theory behind Shadow items

    I was bored on BLU so i decided to tank shit in sea like Prudence on it with 999 and with 999 def it seemed to proc at about 5-10% even when I tried it on lower mobs.

    Now I am in an EXP pt with shadow mantle on WAR with no defense basically and i havnt seen a proc in 2hrs

    Maybe shadow items work more the higher ur dmg resist is?

    I will try Shadow Ring on Tiamat with fire build

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    Your missing a fair amount of information in your post. How many times were you actually hit in sea? In addition how many times were you actually hit in exp pt? If you were exping as war/nin, depending on location, you may have had only a handful of times where you might have taken damage.

    You can't really show anything conclusive without this information.

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    Of the 2 Pld I know with Shadow Mantle they say the proc rate is around 10%, I would guess the same rate for the Ring although we've only gotten one and I don't know the person who won it well and haven't asked about it.

    It would seem strange for the proc rate that the item itself grants to be dependant on outside factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epigram
    Your missing a fair amount of information in your post. How many times were you actually hit in sea? In addition how many times were you actually hit in exp pt? If you were exping as war/nin, depending on location, you may have had only a handful of times where you might have taken damage.

    You can't really show anything conclusive without this information.
    If you ever fought Prudence u know how many times I was hit-.-

    as for me exping.. this thing spamming raging stab or whatever.. so i never have shadows up except to eat the ws so i bsaically take all melee dmg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav
    Quote Originally Posted by epigram
    Your missing a fair amount of information in your post. How many times were you actually hit in sea? In addition how many times were you actually hit in exp pt? If you were exping as war/nin, depending on location, you may have had only a handful of times where you might have taken damage.

    You can't really show anything conclusive without this information.
    If you ever fought Prudence u know how many times I was hit-.-
    Why are you getting hit? Prudence should be warping and disappearing, or otherwise raping a BLM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeryhn
    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav
    Quote Originally Posted by epigram
    Your missing a fair amount of information in your post. How many times were you actually hit in sea? In addition how many times were you actually hit in exp pt? If you were exping as war/nin, depending on location, you may have had only a handful of times where you might have taken damage.

    You can't really show anything conclusive without this information.
    If you ever fought Prudence u know how many times I was hit-.-
    Why are you getting hit? Prudence should be warping and disappearing, or otherwise raping a BLM.
    because I am holding hate and its not warping and atking at hundred fist speed :wink:

    i died eventually from the stun move lol though

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    i heard its based on your hp so galka gets most use out of a shadow mantle ~````

    this is my sample size of activation (100 hits each % on the same IT aern in ruhmet)

    1800/1800 0.0%

    1700/1800 1.21%

    1600/1800 2.43%

    1500/1800 3.23%

    1400/1800 4.49%

    1300/1800 5.12%

    1200/1800 5.25 %

    1100/1800 5.94 %

    1000/1800 7.05%

    900/1800 7.87%

    800/1800 9.25%

    700/1800 10.72%

    600/1800 11.48 %

    500/1800 12.87%

    400/1800 13.24%

    300/1800 14.18%

    200/1800 14.79%

    100/1800 16.80%

    0/1800 23.33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333%


    moon phase changed from waxing cresent to waning gibbeus so maybe that accounts for the 23.3% i was also facing NW which is strong to darkness items like hsaodw mantle so i might have to repeat the testsover

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    HP is also a good theory for its.. cause it procs a lot (lets on on TiamaT) when ur about to die

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios
    i heard its based on your hp so galka gets most use out of a shadow mantle ~````

    this is my sample size of activation (100 hits each % on the same IT aern in ruhmet)

    0/1800 23.33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333%
    I wish I could tank while dead. ;;

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    this is my sample size of activation (100 hits each % on the same IT aern in ruhmet)

    1800/1800 0.0%

    1700/1800 1.21%

    1600/1800 2.43%

    1500/1800 3.23%

    1400/1800 4.49%

    1300/1800 5.12%

    1200/1800 5.25 %

    1100/1800 5.94 %

    1000/1800 7.05%

    900/1800 7.87%

    800/1800 9.25%

    700/1800 10.72%

    600/1800 11.48 %

    500/1800 12.87%

    400/1800 13.24%

    300/1800 14.18%

    200/1800 14.79%

    100/1800 16.80%

    0/1800 23.33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333%

    lol

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    Re: Interesting theory behind Shadow items

    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav
    Now I am in an EXP pt with shadow mantle on WAR with no defense basically and i havnt seen a proc in 2hrs
    And are you even tanking and getting hit as a WAR with no defense in an xp PT? That might explain why you haven't seen a proc.

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    Re: Interesting theory behind Shadow items

    Quote Originally Posted by Khamsin
    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav
    Now I am in an EXP pt with shadow mantle on WAR with no defense basically and i havnt seen a proc in 2hrs
    And are you even tanking and getting hit as a WAR with no defense in an xp PT? That might explain why you haven't seen a proc.
    i always have hate in the EXP pt lol
    and i am always out of shadows cause of that Mamook move>_>

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    Why not go test against mandies with and without defender in the tree, try 100 hits in each situation and report the results here. Now if you end up with demetios's percents we might be in trouble.

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    I just posted this cause that day i was testing BLU it was odd itwa sprocing so much even when i fouight Aerns solo

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    Well, you go from a fight where you basically get hit non-stop by the chained attack rounds from the Prudence NMs that are comparable to Hundred Fists speed, to fights that (normally) last 30-60 seconds where you take very little damage due to how fast they die, how much hate bounces around, and having shadows up to save you from taking damage period most of the time.

    I think the explanation should be obvious, no?

    If you get hit 10000 times you'll see it proc more often than if you got hit 10 times. Not to mention, 90% of the only damage you should be taking in normal exp PTs now count as magic damage, so Mantle would do nothing.

    Also, a friend of mine who uses it almost full-time on his PLD and DD jobs claims the proc rate is about 5-10% as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RKenshin
    Well, you go from a fight where you basically get hit non-stop by the chained attack rounds from the Prudence NMs that are comparable to Hundred Fists speed, to fights that (normally) last 30-60 seconds where you take very little damage due to how fast they die, how much hate bounces around, and having shadows up to save you from taking damage period most of the time.

    I think the explanation should be obvious, no?

    If you get hit 10000 times you'll see it proc more often than if you got hit 10 times. Not to mention, 90% of the only damage you should be taking in normal exp PTs now count as magic damage, so Mantle would do nothing.

    Also, a friend of mine who uses it almost full-time on his PLD and DD jobs claims the proc rate is about 5-10% as well.
    fighting an Aern after fighting Prudence.. witht he same seutp and getting hit for 0 about every 10 hits still says something to me lol vs getting hit about 0-10 times from a mob in exp over and over for 3 hrs and not seeing a single 0 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios
    i heard its based on your hp so galka gets most use out of a shadow mantle ~````

    this is my sample size of activation (100 hits each % on the same IT aern in ruhmet)

    1800/1800 0.0%

    1700/1800 1.21%

    1600/1800 2.43%

    1500/1800 3.23%

    1400/1800 4.49%

    1300/1800 5.12%

    1200/1800 5.25 %

    1100/1800 5.94 %

    1000/1800 7.05%

    900/1800 7.87%

    800/1800 9.25%

    700/1800 10.72%

    600/1800 11.48 %

    500/1800 12.87%

    400/1800 13.24%

    300/1800 14.18%

    200/1800 14.79%

    100/1800 16.80%

    0/1800 23.33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333%


    moon phase changed from waxing cresent to waning gibbeus so maybe that accounts for the 23.3% i was also facing NW which is strong to darkness items like hsaodw mantle so i might have to repeat the testsover
    How did you survive 100 hits at 100/1800 hp? Let alone 0/1800. And waxing crescent all the way to waning gibbous? How long were you there? And is this a whooosh moment?

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    More importantly how did he get so many partial hits and such uncanny correlation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav
    Quote Originally Posted by RKenshin
    Well, you go from a fight where you basically get hit non-stop by the chained attack rounds from the Prudence NMs that are comparable to Hundred Fists speed, to fights that (normally) last 30-60 seconds where you take very little damage due to how fast they die, how much hate bounces around, and having shadows up to save you from taking damage period most of the time.

    I think the explanation should be obvious, no?

    If you get hit 10000 times you'll see it proc more often than if you got hit 10 times. Not to mention, 90% of the only damage you should be taking in normal exp PTs now count as magic damage, so Mantle would do nothing.

    Also, a friend of mine who uses it almost full-time on his PLD and DD jobs claims the proc rate is about 5-10% as well.
    fighting an Aern after fighting Prudence.. witht he same seutp and getting hit for 0 about every 10 hits still says something to me lol vs getting hit about 0-10 times from a mob in exp over and over for 3 hrs and not seeing a single 0 ?
    why would you wear a shadow mantle in an exp party

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