Dual COR parties, bad idea?

[Tarukiss]

To start with I wouldn't have a WHM in an XP party. If I did maybe COR roll as their 2nd roll in pity, but probably nothing. In a party with 2 COR, 1 of them is no doubt pulling so doing 2 melee rolls is enough.

You don't get many cures in dynamis do you?

So what you're saying is that you need to invite linkshell WHM to XP parties or they won't heal you?

I know some emotarded WHMs like this.

I wouldn't even look at you while your dying from poison/bio/etc, screaming like a little bitch for help. I hope you brought plenty of meds and rr gear

[epigram]

I'm just saying I wouldn't go waving around the "I won't invite said job" stick around if your in an hnmls. Everyone dies to get your shit and they need exp too. Sometimes payback is a bitch.

[niwaar]

I thought people were already raving about the Pet Rolls for endgame SMNs.

Speaking from a SMN's point of view I would love to see what BST roll would do for Garuda vs a wyrm or other HNM. I do know that at least one HNM ls has used a Cor instead of a bard in a SMN party vs Vrtra because of it. That being said, its incredibly difficult to quantify the amount that it would help. Being that there are no real numbers but average damage to look at. A Cor/WHM though would have to be the new standard for a SMN DD setup vs Wyrm regardless if the effect was minimal or huge.

Still that being said, Drachen Roll, is still completely a situational roll that you would use without a Dragoon in the party. SE has repeatedly said that they would like to encourage bard's to deviate from only using 4 songs and use others as well. It seems that they have made another job that will just use the same 3-4 spells for the majority of the time.

[FFXIFlux]

I'm just saying I wouldn't go waving around the "I won't invite said job" stick around if your in an hnmls. Everyone dies to get your shit and they need exp too. Sometimes payback is a bitch.

So you merit as DRG BST PUP PLD SMN WHM?

[Jeryhn]

To start with I wouldn't have a WHM in an XP party. If I did maybe COR roll as their 2nd roll in pity, but probably nothing. In a party with 2 COR, 1 of them is no doubt pulling so doing 2 melee rolls is enough.

You don't get many cures in dynamis do you?

So what you're saying is that you need to invite linkshell WHM to XP parties or they won't heal you?

I know some emotarded WHMs like this.

I wouldn't even look at you while your dying from poison/bio/etc, screaming like a little bitch for help. I hope you brought plenty of meds and rr gear

I hate bitchy melees who complain about the 1hp/tick poison they get from Spongilla Flies. Antidotes ftw.

[Elcura]

I'm just saying I wouldn't go waving around the "I won't invite said job" stick around if your in an hnmls. Everyone dies to get your shit and they need exp too. Sometimes payback is a bitch.

So you merit as DRG BST PUP PLD SMN WHM?

Huh? I dunno about you, but I've had some pretty fucking awesome merit PTs with a WHM, which I prefer to a RDM really, speaking as a MNK.

A good WHM is god.

While you add to that list, why isn't SAM there as well?

[Serif]

Hold on, what is wrong with SAM?

[epigram]

Actually only about 7 of my 60 or so merits are not from solo bst. I solo my merits because I enjoy soloing. Now turning down a whm who may have helped you get your melee gear for exp is just fuck tarded.

[½pint]

I'm just saying I wouldn't go waving around the "I won't invite said job" stick around if your in an hnmls. Everyone dies to get your shit and they need exp too. Sometimes payback is a bitch.

So you merit as DRG BST PUP PLD SMN WHM?

Long ago you booted Maxx from the top spot of my "Would most like to be banned from BG" list. Everything you post is complete and utter shit. You hate Nynja and say how much of a dick he is, when you act much worse than him and contribute far less. Do us all a favour and die of cancer or something? Thanks ^^

[Raineer]

To start with I wouldn't have a WHM in an XP party. If I did maybe COR roll as their 2nd roll in pity, but probably nothing. In a party with 2 COR, 1 of them is no doubt pulling so doing 2 melee rolls is enough.

You don't get many cures in dynamis do you?

So what you're saying is that you need to invite linkshell WHM to XP parties or they won't heal you?

I know some emotarded WHMs like this.

I wouldn't even look at you while your dying from poison/bio/etc, screaming like a little bitch for help. I hope you brought plenty of meds and rr gear

I hate bitchy melees who complain about the 1hp/tick poison they get from Spongilla Flies. Antidotes ftw.

lol, my favorite are the THF's (etc) that start screaming for P4 from any RDM or WHM possible the second their buffs drop, yes because your job is to pull hate, right?

[FFXIFlux]

Actually only about 7 of my 60 or so merits are not from solo bst. I solo my merits because I enjoy soloing. Now turning down a whm who may have helped you get your melee gear for exp is just fuck tarded.

I've never turned down a WHM in my linkshell. They merit on other things. WHM was the first job I leveled to 75, but I as well merit on other jobs instead and can say with some authority I bring more to a party as RDM than any WHM does. So... here is me, meritting with people in my linkshell, some of who play WHM a lot, and here is you, who solos and won't even play with the people in his linkshell pointing a finger at me. And then there is 1/2pint, king of fuckwits.

[epigram]

To start with I wouldn't have a WHM in an XP party.

I'm sorry, you fail.

[Tanthalas]

Personally, I liked having 2 BRD 2 COR, a RDM, a WHM, and me as DRG.

With double march, double minuet, Fighter's Roll, Rogue's Roll, Hunter's Roll, and Chaos Roll... felt pretty damn strong. Maybe could replace the WHM and RDM with a WAR and THF to enhance two of those rolls, and have them just Haste and Cure me from outside the PT. Make my DRG feel pretty damn good.

[Lordwafik]

that wouldnt be an xp pt, that'd be a PL

[Tanthalas]

that wouldnt be an xp pt, that'd be a PL

Would be one slow PL...

[Priran]

Hold on, what is wrong with SAM?

2-handed weapon+nothing special WS+no need for skillchain=hold out for a WAR

[Wizerd]

2. i hope you were giving healers roll as well as evokers, because it is disgustingly good, averaging better than evokers while resting.

I think when I tested it in an XP party it was hMP +5, so I told the COR to stop doing it. It might be good at really low level but it's worthless by the time you get dark staff etc.

It gives between +3 and +13hMP. It is not hard to maintain atleast +7, and often between 8 and 13. Wizard cookies, which give +7, are one of the most popular white mage and summoner foods for the majority of the game. You do the math.


Evokers roll averages (without a summoner) 2mp/tick, which adds to 10mp/resting tick after the first. Ofcourse, WHM roll isnt nearly that good, but while resting it is almost as good, and the two stacked are far greater than refresh or ballad over the course of a party.

I'm sorry, but I have to correct you since it's bugging me.

1 "Resting tick" after the first consists of 3 "ticks", not 5. The first "Resting tick" consists of 6. 9 seconds and 18 seconds respectively. It makes resting a whole lot more bearable when you have Regen or Refresh on and you can watch your HP/MP go up every 3 seconds, and only have to wait 3 times each to get more. <_<

[Tanthalas]

2. i hope you were giving healers roll as well as evokers, because it is disgustingly good, averaging better than evokers while resting.

I think when I tested it in an XP party it was hMP +5, so I told the COR to stop doing it. It might be good at really low level but it's worthless by the time you get dark staff etc.

It gives between +3 and +13hMP. It is not hard to maintain atleast +7, and often between 8 and 13. Wizard cookies, which give +7, are one of the most popular white mage and summoner foods for the majority of the game. You do the math.


Evokers roll averages (without a summoner) 2mp/tick, which adds to 10mp/resting tick after the first. Ofcourse, WHM roll isnt nearly that good, but while resting it is almost as good, and the two stacked are far greater than refresh or ballad over the course of a party.

I'm sorry, but I have to correct you since it's bugging me.

1 "Resting tick" after the first consists of 3 "ticks", not 5. The first "Resting tick" consists of 6. 9 seconds and 18 seconds respectively. It makes resting a whole lot more bearable when you have Regen or Refresh on and you can watch your HP/MP go up every 3 seconds, and only have to wait 3 times each to get more. <_<

Pretty sure Delekii meant the first actual MP gain period when he said "after the first."

[Delekii]

No, wizerd is right, but either way, that _strengthens_ the argument for healer's roll, not weakens it.

You get one... i guess.. proc of healers roll for every 3 procs of evokers roll after the first resting tick, hence only need, on average, +6hMP for them to be equal during this time.

[Serif]

Hold on, what is wrong with SAM?

2-handed weapon+nothing special WS+no need for skillchain=hold out for a WAR

I am not going to argue that a SAM is better in EXP than a WAR.

Just saying a well equiped SAM who knows what s/he is doing, can easily get very good EXP.

And what do you mean by nothing special WS? If you are talking about damage, 1k+ are easy to break.

Concerning 2 handed weapons, most SAMs if they are smart can get 100% TP in 6 hits.