Waking the Beast (New and Improved...mostly new)

[Kuropiko]

Ok there's info. You can enter Carbuncle Prime's BC under 2 conditions :
- You possess the Rainbow Resonator and the 6 eyes.
OR
- You do NOT possess the Rainbow Resonator nor the Faded Ruby, but you have Waking the Beast completed in your quests log.

That means you could have someone go out of the BC before killing the final Carbuncle Prime if you want to do it several times, then everyone would have to go to La Theine to clear the quest and that guy could make you enter the BC as many times as you want if you don't start the quest again, as long as this person does not get the final cutscene.

This is still retarded that starting the quest again makes it impossible for you to enter the final BC you already cleared once but oh well... It seems to be still technically possible to chain a few runs.

[Jeryhn]

As long as one person in your alliance can access the BC under normal conditions, the rest can follow.

However, I've heard horror stories in terms of the drop rate when people tried doing this. Apparently, you risk getting nothing if you just have one guy open the BC, leave before its finished, and repeat, because no one is "completing" the quest.

[genome]

As long as one person in your alliance can access the BC under normal conditions, the rest can follow.

However, I've heard horror stories in terms of the drop rate when people tried doing this. Apparently, you risk getting nothing if you just have one guy open the BC, leave before its finished, and repeat, because no one is "completing" the quest.

Are you sure? I mean it would be cool if I could but did you actually try it?
I completed the quest long ago and got my carbuncle's pole and final cutscene, but I've been wanting to help a friend who kept trying the carby BC and his alliance kept losing and disbanded.. From what I understood I could not enter again without having all 6 eyes again (I went and got 3 more so far just to help him, but it's a pain to set those up).
I guess I could try and see with just him and me and see if I can enter after he enters, just wanted to know if you saw it done, he seemed pretty sure that you can't reenter without another 6 eyes.

[Excalin Garisk]

This is good news. I would like to find more data to compare drops. I know I have read in cases where an 18 man alliance has totally failed on drops. Ive also thought I had read where an alliance did it over and over and got about 2 drops a run, but I couldn't find the source again yet to confirm that. I would like to see if people that don't even have the quest could get in without completing any part of it before. This quest makes me cringe just to try for a Shiva's Shotel. Recruiting for this has already proven to be a logistics nightmare.

[Excalin Garisk]

Anyone on siren that is interested I have a post open on SirenFFXI. Make sure to include Character name, jobs, and any drop you would be interested in. DO NOT POST YOU INTEREST IN HERE

Link:
http://sirenffxi.com/modules.php?name=F ... 3763#63763

[Kuropiko]

Are you sure? I mean it would be cool if I could but did you actually try it?
I completed the quest long ago and got my carbuncle's pole and final cutscene, but I've been wanting to help a friend who kept trying the carby BC and his alliance kept losing and disbanded.. From what I understood I could not enter again without having all 6 eyes again (I went and got 3 more so far just to help him, but it's a pain to set those up).
I guess I could try and see with just him and me and see if I can enter after he enters, just wanted to know if you saw it done, he seemed pretty sure that you can't reenter without another 6 eyes.

If i listened well to someone that tried this, i'd say you can enter and help anyone that have all the key items if you DON'T HAVE ANY OF THEM of if you have ALL OF THEM. Which means if you activated the quest again after tally and have the Rainbow Resonator, you're screwed and have to do all 6 Primes again.

[Jeryhn]

It works like any Mission BC. You need to meet the requirements to enter, or if you have the quest completed, you need to be in the same party/alliance as someone who meets the requirements.

Its not rocket science.

[layoneil]

It works like any Mission BC. You need to meet the requirements to enter, or if you have the quest completed, you need to be in the same party/alliance as someone who meets the requirements.

Its not rocket science.

except

1) this is not a mission
2) you can't restart mission BCs

[Jeryhn]

1) this is not a mission

Fucking brilliant deduction Sherlock.

Take a look at any other Quest BC that is not repeatable.
You'll see similarities between them and Mission BCs.

Waking the Beast is a repeatable quest... But only once per tally, meaning that there are certain instances when it is not repeatable, but you can still enter to help someone else complete the quest, just like you can enter any Mission BC you've previously completed to help someone else complete it. You won't get additional credit for completeing it again unless you undertake the entireity of the quest again.

2) you can't restart mission BCs

See above.

[Khamsin]

It works like any Mission BC. You need to meet the requirements to enter, or if you have the quest completed, you need to be in the same party/alliance as someone who meets the requirements.

Its not rocket science.

You are certain of this, and have tried this, then?

It's not something that is intuitive, really. So a degree in rocket science might help. If it does work like a mission BC, afterall, then that'd be contrary to what most people would expect since this is not a mission.

And even for a quest, the avatar-related BCs have always been slightly different than even most quest BCs. The original avatar quest BCs require key items even if you are just helping someone else who is flagged for the quest. The new avatar BCs provide key items as well, so it might also be logical to think the final BC in this quest would require them to participate.

[Jeryhn]

It works like any Mission BC. You need to meet the requirements to enter, or if you have the quest completed, you need to be in the same party/alliance as someone who meets the requirements.

Its not rocket science.

You are certain of this, and have tried this, then?

There's a post somewhere that people do this, and regularly. The only problem is, they get crap drops when only one guy is opening the BC, and there are 17 helpers. They theorize they get crappy drops because no one is "completeing" the quest at the end of the BC, because the same guy who opens it is the same who leaves the BC repeatedly.

I'll post the link to the thread when I find it.

And even for a quest, the avatar-related BCs have always been slightly different than even most quest BCs. The original avatar quest BCs require key items even if you are just helping someone else who is flagged for the quest. The new avatar BCs provide key items as well, so it might also be logical to think the final BC in this quest would require them to participate.

The Avatar BC quests are unique in their implementation. ENMs were modeled off of their design. I would speculate that SE purposely designed this one particular BC to be like a Mission BC because of the difficulty of finding people with all six eyes to enter one BC (as opposed to the normal avatar quests being six separate quests).

[Jeryhn]

Here's a quote from a guide on Waking the Beast:

Conditions for (re-)entry

To (re-)enter the celestical avatar BCNMs, you must have at least one of the following key items:

- Rainbow Resonator, or

- one of Eye of Flames, Eye of Frost, Eye of Gales, Eye of Storms, Eye of Tides and Eye of Tremors that matches the avatar that you want to fight, or

- You have Waking the Beast listed as completed in your quest log and you do not have the key items Rainbow Resonator nor Faded Ruby, and there are at least one members in your alliance who satisfy at least one of the above condition.

Source: http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php? ... &p=2466036

Still looking for the actual post concerning drops. Might be on a LiveJournal somewhere.

[Khamsin]

It works like any Mission BC. You need to meet the requirements to enter, or if you have the quest completed, you need to be in the same party/alliance as someone who meets the requirements.

Its not rocket science.

You are certain of this, and have tried this, then?

There's a post somewhere that people do this, and regularly. The only problem is, they get crap drops when only one guy is opening the BC, and there are 17 helpers. They theorize they get crappy drops because no one is "completeing" the quest at the end of the BC, because the same guy who opens it is the same who leaves the BC repeatedly.

The first time I completed it, we got crap drops too, and all 18 of us were finishing it for the first time. I remember the thread about it on BG, where a lot of people were reporting their findings, as well. Pretty much every alliance that completed this, with all 18 finishing the quest at once, had crap drops. Some (rare few) people got lucky and had as many as 4 drops, while several others had zero drops. My alliance came out with 2.

I don't think it'd matter at all how many people are completing the quest, especially since its a drop off a mob, in a treasure pool, rather than a chest or ??? or some other reward given to someone flagged with the quest.

I do wonder if they fixed the lagged loot pool glitch, though... I recall the treasure being added one at a time with some delay between each one, several seconds after the fight had ended.

[layoneil]

Take a look at any other Quest BC that is not repeatable.
You'll see similarities between them and Mission BCs.

what's the point of bringing up missions at all? why not say this is similar to other Quest BCs? why is the logical conclusion to associate a repeatable quest with non-repeatable Quests or Missions?

Uninvited Guest is a repeatable quest, just like this one.
you can only do it once every tally just like this one.
you need a specific key item to start it, just like this one.
the quest reward comes from the NPC that gave you the key item, just like this one.
stuff drops without a chest and the BC ends as soon as you kill the mobs, just like this one.
you can't help someone else clear it without the key item yourself just because you've cleared it once, just like ... oh wait.

everything can be similar if you try hard enough to associate them.

it's not rocket science, but it's not elementary either, Watson.

[Excalin Garisk]

everything can be similar if you try hard enough to associate them.

Thats what I tell everyone about Drg and War.... It just hasn't caught on yet

[Kuropiko]

Here's a quote from a guide on Waking the Beast:

Conditions for (re-)entry

To (re-)enter the celestical avatar BCNMs, you must have at least one of the following key items:

- Rainbow Resonator, or

- one of Eye of Flames, Eye of Frost, Eye of Gales, Eye of Storms, Eye of Tides and Eye of Tremors that matches the avatar that you want to fight, or

- You have Waking the Beast listed as completed in your quest log and you do not have the key items Rainbow Resonator nor Faded Ruby, and there are at least one members in your alliance who satisfy at least one of the above condition.

Source: http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php? ... &p=2466036

Still looking for the actual post concerning drops. Might be on a LiveJournal somewhere.

That's the exact thing i was saying. If you start the quest again, you'll get the Rainbow Resonator back and won't be able to help. If you cleared it and did not start it again, you can help.

[Excalin Garisk]

Here's a quote from a guide on Waking the Beast:

Conditions for (re-)entry

To (re-)enter the celestical avatar BCNMs, you must have at least one of the following key items:

- Rainbow Resonator, or

- one of Eye of Flames, Eye of Frost, Eye of Gales, Eye of Storms, Eye of Tides and Eye of Tremors that matches the avatar that you want to fight, or

- You have Waking the Beast listed as completed in your quest log and you do not have the key items Rainbow Resonator nor Faded Ruby, and there are at least one members in your alliance who satisfy at least one of the above condition.

Source: http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php? ... &p=2466036

Still looking for the actual post concerning drops. Might be on a LiveJournal somewhere.

That's the exact thing i was saying. If you start the quest again, you'll get the Rainbow Resonator back and won't be able to help. If you cleared it and did not start it again, you can help.

Thats how I took it as well