Claustrum / Gate of Tartarus WS Testing

[Tahngarthor]

Yea that smn is going to be doing really nice melee damage wearing YYR or Penance and full -perp gear.

Its not about you by yourself (same concept as with PUP except this probably works better /sigh @ pup Your not-so-hot (45-60/hit on early dynamis sand/bas mobs and EXP party mobs in ToUA) melee damage + (in my case) avatar's melee damage + avatar's blood pact + your spirit taker (or maybe gate of tartarus if you have it) = Not all that bad. Outdamage heavy melee DD? no way. Do damage on SMN that's not the total joke most see it as? yes.

k i'll put melee smn on my "to-invite" list, right under melee rdm.

Melee RDMs dont have high damage blood pacts or a pet doing melee damage in addition to himself

That about sums it up. You're decreasing the potential of 3 frontliners just so you can get ballad and benefit yourself.

This doesnt make any sense at all. How am I decreasing the potential of the frontliners? Just like a PLD, you can still get ballad if you want it if you stand on the opposite side of the mob.... seriously....

[Lordwafik]

You didnt get the memo? PLD dont exist.

[Tahngarthor]

You didnt get the memo? PLD dont exist.

lol

[aurik]

Yea that smn is going to be doing really nice melee damage wearing YYR or Penance and full -perp gear.

Its not about you by yourself (same concept as with PUP except this probably works better /sigh @ pup Your not-so-hot (45-60/hit on early dynamis sand/bas mobs and EXP party mobs in ToUA) melee damage + (in my case) avatar's melee damage + avatar's blood pact + your spirit taker (or maybe gate of tartarus if you have it) = Not all that bad. Outdamage heavy melee DD? no way. Do damage on SMN that's not the total joke most see it as? yes.

k i'll put melee smn on my "to-invite" list, right under melee rdm.

Melee RDMs dont have high damage blood pacts or a pet doing melee damage in addition to himself

That about sums it up. You're decreasing the potential of 3 frontliners just so you can get ballad and benefit yourself.

This doesnt make any sense at all. How am I decreasing the potential of the frontliners? Just like a PLD, you can still get ballad if you want it if you stand on the opposite side of the mob.... seriously....

You can't do BPs because you're out of mana from leaving your avatar out whiffing instead of dismissing it and resting. Your fabulous 1.0 fTP spirit taker along with your amazing melee gear isn't going to keep up that mp.

[DrObvious]

This doesnt make any sense at all. How am I decreasing the potential of the frontliners? Just like a PLD, you can still get ballad if you want it if you stand on the opposite side of the mob.... seriously....

Most bards seem to have problems pulling and keeping songs up. Most melees don't want to position themselves and like to move around the mob so that the next will be autoengaged. Most mages seem to have problems in a roaming party and don't move even when the mob is slept on top of them and engaged. And that doesn't work too well when you have a thf in the pt.

If it works for you that's great I guess.

[Julian]

You, Melee-SMN sir, are a retard.

gtfo to ZAM or KI.

[edgarfigaro]

is this the giveaway by SE for the modifiers for some of the relic weapons? Anyone know? >.> (being that whatever +skill is on the sea torque is the modifier for it)...

Yes, they put CHR on Temperance Torque for the 2 people game wide who own Claustrum.

Sadly thats probably closer to how the decision process that goes on at SE actually happens than we'd like to acknowledge...

It has chr to go with hope staff I'm thinking.

[Eaglestrike]

So Tahn...you prefer to melee in full smn gear with -perp and +avatar strengths and just use sushi? Where is your attack? And you're /thf? Zomg uber melee power!

[Devek]

Sub nin and offhand a kraken club!

[½pint]

I am shocked to silence at this melee SMN. Absolutely unbelievable.

[geno]

(Come on now, you telling me your LS is gonna let you melee Wyrms/Sea shit/Kings just so you can Spirit Taker? lawl)

I really wish I had the picture so I wouldn't have to type anything but I'm sure you can imagine what a galka SMN meleeing Aspidochelone looks like.

[epigram]

is this the giveaway by SE for the modifiers for some of the relic weapons? Anyone know? >.> (being that whatever +skill is on the sea torque is the modifier for it)...

I'm not seeing in anyway that the torques are modifier hints, I think a few just got lucky. Dagger/GA/GS/Scythe/H2H/Gun don't match up ,I'm not sure about Katana/Bow/Club/Sword though. If anything is telling it's the +5 on the torque matches up with the +7 on the axe, and BST happens to have a use for chr.

[Eaglestrike]

is this the giveaway by SE for the modifiers for some of the relic weapons? Anyone know? >.> (being that whatever +skill is on the sea torque is the modifier for it)...

I'm not seeing in anyway that the torques are modifier hints, I think a few just got lucky. Dagger/GA/GS/Scythe/H2H/Gun don't match up ,I'm not sure about Katana/Bow/Club/Sword though. If anything is telling it's the +5 on the torque matches up with the +7 on the axe, and BST happens to have a use for chr.

I still find it very odd that it does work for one at least. lol.

7 stats, 14 weapons. Do a little statistics and it's not hard for random chance to peg one of them as a match.

[Mifaco]

Tahngarthor (Shiva)
Galka, Bastok
75 SMN 60 PUP 51 WAR (quit the day I got fenrir sooo long ago) and downhill from there
Full SMN AF2
1071 HP
1001 MP as SMN/WHM (I dare anyone other than GAL SMN to have more than over 1k of both Very Happy )
5x MP Max up
3x Staff skill +
3x Summon Magic Skill + (Summon skill 309 with gear)
4x Avatar Physical Accuracy
1x Avatar Physical Attack
1x Avatar Magic Accuracy (going to get rid of it)
3x Avatar Magic Attack (raises Nether Blast damage)

LOL@STAFF MERITS FOR MELEE SMN

and smn magic skill means shit

[Julian]

I have staff merits ^_^ My PLD got Spirit Taker at lv60!

But other then that, they're pretty useless. Probably gonna merit H2H when I finish MNK.

[UNCTGTG]

I was just talking to drk with apo and in a mnk pt in mire he did 35-36% of the total dmg, 3mnk drk brd healer i think, plus he said 46 tp back after using cato and the swings

That's alot of damage there. So 100-36 = 64%/3 more people = 21% of damage per monk. Not to bad.

So goes like

Monk 21.3%
Monk 21.3%
Monk 21.3%
Dark 36%

[Mifaco]

LOL@STAFF MERITS FOR MELEE SMN

fwiw i'm meriting str and crit hit before staff, but I'll fully merit staff before I get the Claustrum. Since the other jobs i have are BLM and WHM is next to 75, don't see much else to merit there.

clue phone: save your combat merits for a melee job. Your turning a B- rating into a B+ rating will amount to nothing.

I guess you're the kind of person who merits Divine Magic, amirite?

[Not Kuno]

I like to hit stuff with my staff on boring smn soloing as much as the next person. I briefly considering meriting staff, but I kinda got the hint SE doesn't want us meleeing when we sort of dont get any attack+ gear. Minor problem.

[Ichthyos]

If someone has or is on their way to having a Claustrum, I don't think meriting staff would be such a bad idea. SMN's staff skill caps at 250, so full merits bring it to 266, just 3 points short of A-. Throw in an Optical Hat, Life Belt, sushi, and maybe a Temperance Torque, and you'll be doing ok melee damage in merit PTs while being able to keep your avatar out full time.

[Tahngarthor]

LOL@STAFF MERITS FOR MELEE SMN

fwiw i'm meriting str and crit hit before staff, but I'll fully merit staff before I get the Claustrum. Since the other jobs i have are BLM and WHM is next to 75, don't see much else to merit there.

clue phone: save your combat merits for a melee job. Your turning a B- rating into a B+ rating will amount to nothing.

I guess you're the kind of person who merits Divine Magic, amirite?

For aj ob I will never play? ok.
Summon skill reduces interrupt chance like all magic skills... and they've said theyre going to make it more meaningful at some point. So i'll be ready.

To be clear, this isnt any good just anywhere Yay solo, Yay certain exp places, yay some other things. Other cases, i'd just be like any other.

If someone has or is on their way to having a Claustrum, I don't think meriting staff would be such a bad idea. SMN's staff skill caps at 250, so full merits bring it to 266, just 3 points short of A-. Throw in an Optical Hat, Life Belt, sushi, and maybe a Temperance Torque, and you'll be doing ok melee damage in merit PTs while being able to keep your avatar out full time.

That's pretty much the idea.