Claustrum / Gate of Tartarus WS Testing

[UNCTGTG]

Finally people see the game I do, play it as you want.

[Tahngarthor]

(Come on now, you telling me your LS is gonna let you melee Wyrms/Sea shit/Kings just so you can Spirit Taker? lawl)

I really wish I had the picture so I wouldn't have to type anything but I'm sure you can imagine what a galka SMN meleeing Aspidochelone looks like.

Fyi, I (and several other people) were told to do so simply to ensure claim would stay on us and not fall into the hands of the server's local "we even admit we bot and cheat and it doesnt matter as long as we get stuff and the JP dont" LS.

Finally people see the game I do, play it as you want.

There are a few interesting/amusing possibilities for a number of jobs that people totally ignore without trying because everyone tells them you needd to sub this for that or 'you need to play this that way or you suck.'

[Jimmayus]

lol you guys are funny, he said he was a Galka summoner who meleed and I immediately realized something was wrong, should have ended the discussion right there.





btw, I'm pretty sure if you get the right gear any race can do 1k hp/mp on summoner; I know for a fact taru can.

[Tahngarthor]

lol you guys are funny, he said he was a Galka summoner who meleed and I immediately realized something was wrong, should have ended the discussion right there.

STFU. Race means so little. I broke 1k MP, and I have more HP than a bamboo stick unlike most taru SMN. I can SMN just as well as anyone else, k thx bai.
And I dont always melee. Only in the things i've mentioned above atm. but with the Claustrum, more possibilities will open up. (Although it's still a long ways away.) The whole point is "gee, if you gear out for it a little and make just as good use of your avatars and rarely need to rest at all, That you may as well, since with a damage staff, you do more than 5dmg a hit and spirit taker will help keep your MP up. I dont know how many times im going to repeat this. It's not as bad as your stubborn locked-into-one-view-of-smn head thinks it is.

Somethief hits the mob for 17.
Somethief hits the mob for 20.
Tahn hits the mob for 60.

[Raineer]

lol you guys are funny, he said he was a Galka summoner who meleed and I immediately realized something was wrong, should have ended the discussion right there.

STFU. Race means so little. I broke 1k MP, and I have more HP than a bamboo stick unlike most taru SMN. I can SMN just as well as anyone else, k thx bai.
And I dont always melee. Only in the things i've mentioned above atm. but with the Claustrum, more possibilities will open up. (Although it's still a long ways away.)

The "race means so little" card is so fucking overused.

I'm sure a galka/elvaan can hit 1k MP on most mage jobs standing there in full zenith/ether/serket/heirarch/errant

Hit one macro and watch that 1000mp become 650, congralutions on casting that 350mp Paralyze, hope it was worth it!

As for SMN with Claustrum, as long as it's the best weapon for you congrats. SMN's don't melee endgame so it's not helping you do more damage at Tiamat so no one will care and you're going to get flamed from every angle. Personally if I was SMN75 I'd want the damn thing too, sounds cool as hell.

[Tahngarthor]

lol you guys are funny, he said he was a Galka summoner who meleed and I immediately realized something was wrong, should have ended the discussion right there.

STFU. Race means so little. I broke 1k MP, and I have more HP than a bamboo stick unlike most taru SMN. I can SMN just as well as anyone else, k thx bai.
And I dont always melee. Only in the things i've mentioned above atm. but with the Claustrum, more possibilities will open up. (Although it's still a long ways away.)

The "race means so little" card is so fucking overused.

I'm sure a galka/elvaan can hit 1k MP on most mage jobs standing there in full zenith/ether/serket/heirarch/errant

Hit one macro and watch that 1000mp become 650, congralutions on casting that 350mp Paralyze, hope it was worth it!

As for SMN with Claustrum, as long as it's the best weapon for you congrats. SMN's don't melee endgame so it's not helping you do more damage at Tiamat so no one will care and you're going to get flamed from every angle. Personally if I was SMN75 I'd want the damn thing too, sounds cool as hell.

it's not just a "Card" people play, its a simple fact. Moreso for SMN than any other job, race means almost nothing. Now, for BLM, its different, because every point of your INT makes a difference (at least galka have more int than elvaan lol). But summoners dont give a damn about any of their stats unless they hit something with their big long stick. Therefore, race means almost nothing for SMN. my 1k MP gets the job done. Anything more than that is practically excessive.

As for the macro losing a shit ton of MP argument, well, most SMN dont need to gearswap anything other than their weapon (and maybe their body). None of my weapons add to my MP, so it's not a problem.

[Jeryhn]

Claustrum is nowhere near the best weapon for SMN. A weapon with that damage rating, and the 3x damage proc on attacks will cause hate to be pulled off of avatars, creating very dead summoners.

[UNCTGTG]

As for SMN with Claustrum, as long as it's the best weapon for you congrats. SMN's don't melee endgame so it's not helping you do more damage at Tiamat so no one will care and you're going to get flamed from every angle. Personally if I was SMN75 I'd want the damn thing too, sounds cool as hell.

But look at those people flaming those that get certain weapons (being staff for this post). People that will never have it, they pull "Junk" "I don't want it" excuses out their ass, but honestly who gives a flying rats ass. Why not congratulate this person on it, not flame him, let the person play the game the way HE/She wants too. Race doesn't matter, so what you have 30 more MP then me....Big woop. I have 2 more str then you. Big woop.

[Tahngarthor]

Claustrum is nowhere near the best weapon for SMN. A weapon with that damage rating, and the 3x damage proc on attacks will cause hate to be pulled off of avatars, creating very dead summoners.

Pull hate off a ninja or paladin? Doubtful.
Pull hate off fenrir on an easy prey? maybe. But the thing is, with the better melee ability, you can likely kill it without any problems regardless. At least if you have my HP.

No, I'm not going to melee tiamat. THere's a time and place for everything. Quit thinking stuff like that, because i'm not as stupid as some of you apparently think.

[epigram]

And I dont always melee. Only in the things i've mentioned above atm. but with the Claustrum, more possibilities will open up.

What exactly opens up? Hell if it's your money then waste it in any way you feel fit, but if your getting shit from your ls then I do feel you owe it to those that are also upgrading the reason why you are upgrading a melee weapon for a mage job. If it really doesn't do much for you besides help you farm spider webs and look good in jeuno I would be a little miffed.

[UNCTGTG]

What exactly opens up? Hell if it's your money then waste it in any way you feel fit, but if your getting shit from your ls then I do feel you owe it to those that are also upgrading the reason why you are upgrading a melee weapon for a mage job. If it really doesn't do much for you besides help you farm spider webs and look good in jeuno I would be a little miffed.

Not being rude or anything but are you saying that Horn/Shield should be only upgraded first.

If someone has the money, and wants to upgrade then leave them alone, like you said its' their money.

[Raineer]

Maybe she got it, to xp by herself, or with friends?? Maybe it was a dream of hers to obtain it.

Plenty enough reason to me.

[Tahngarthor]

And I dont always melee. Only in the things i've mentioned above atm. but with the Claustrum, more possibilities will open up.

What exactly opens up? Hell if it's your money then waste it in any way you feel fit, but if your getting shit from your ls then I do feel you owe it to those that are also upgrading the reason why you are upgrading a melee weapon for a mage job. If it really doesn't do much for you besides help you farm spider webs and look good in jeuno I would be a little miffed.

I'm not getting shit from my LS, thanks.

Maybe she got it, to xp by herself, or with friends?? Maybe it was a dream of hers to obtain it.

Plenty enough reason to me.

Pretty much. I have everything I really need for SMN that isn't rare ex, so relic is like the only thing I have to spend gil on. SMN is my love. OK, so i'm spending some on leveling pup... I like to do things no one else wants to do. (PUP pretty much sux balls right now, although not quite as much as some people like to say. Just hoping they'll buff it soon.)

[Jeryhn]

Claustrum is nowhere near the best weapon for SMN. A weapon with that damage rating, and the 3x damage proc on attacks will cause hate to be pulled off of avatars, creating very dead summoners.

Pull hate off a ninja or paladin? Doubtful.
Pull hate off fenrir on an easy prey? maybe. But the thing is, with the better melee ability, you can likely kill it without any problems regardless. At least if you have my HP.

You're unlocking a relic weapon to kill EPs faster? As a SMN? Good job.

I honestly don't give a shit about your HP. You'd die about as fast as any other summoner would, since you have the same defense. It might take an extra attack to put you down, which is easily enough to do since most mobs have Double Attack and what seems like +100% critical hit rate on mages.

[Raineer]

Claustrum is nowhere near the best weapon for SMN. A weapon with that damage rating, and the 3x damage proc on attacks will cause hate to be pulled off of avatars, creating very dead summoners.

Pull hate off a ninja or paladin? Doubtful.
Pull hate off fenrir on an easy prey? maybe. But the thing is, with the better melee ability, you can likely kill it without any problems regardless. At least if you have my HP.

No, I'm not going to melee tiamat. THere's a time and place for everything. Quit thinking stuff like that, because i'm not as stupid as some of you apparently think.

I don't think you're stupid, I'm just explaining why everyone is going to flame the decision. Your relic is solo-only and in no way benefits anyone else. People seem to have this thought that relics are supposed to be a benefit to everyone, and that is derived from the method you obtained it. If you acquired all the currency on your own and paid some LS ample money to kill the NM's for you then it's yours and you can tell everyone to shove it. If people donated currency to you then they at least have a right to speak up.

[UNCTGTG]

People said she hasn't done any HNM stuff since 2004, maybe there is a reason, sick of the same lame stuff day in and day out. Not saying all of it is lame but people stealing mobs, MPKing (when you could), going against RMT, standing there watching others get claim then standing there for another 30min-1hr to watch another LS kill it. Who knows, but I did it for a couple months and for me personally it got old fast. There are others that love it.

[Tahngarthor]

This is the BG forums, unless you're a data miner, someone's probably going to flame you about something. And it just happens more when you go against teh grain. Doesnt mean it sucks ass though. =\

I have a good LS and dont need to pay anyone to get something done. A RL friend of mine has givven me a handful of single coins (Doesnt do dynamis much) But other than th at i've pretty much done all the work so far myself.

I do thee HNM scene, SMN are good at CoP wyrms and faf and such. Though I enjoy the smaller stuff too. Main think I dont like is camping kings because it's not fun to putter for around for up to 3 hours and watch an admitted-to-botting LS pull nidhogg (and half wipe in doing it cuz they suck, lol) I prefer CoP wyrms and now Cerberus (fun and fairly quick fight).

[epigram]

Not being rude or anything but are you saying that Horn/Shield should be only upgraded first.

No, he said somehow relic staff opens up new possibilities for summoner melee. I don't see how this is possible, therefore if he makes the claim I would like a little more than some nebulous idealism.

If someone has the money, and wants to upgrade then leave them alone, like you said its' their money.

Why are you repeating me? I said if he was getting help from his ls, sponsored runs/etc... then it might be a little selfish to upgrade a melee weapon for a mage if someone else could upgrade something that they could actually use.


I'm also flagging total bull shit on the 36% drk in a 3xmnk 1drk pt, I don't care what he has, no melee pulls that far ahead unless the others were afk or dead.

[Tahngarthor]

No, he said somehow relic staff opens up new possibilities for summoner melee. I don't see how this is possible, therefore if he makes the claim I would like a little more than some nebulous idealism.

I make the claim because with a non-claustrum high dmg staff I can melee in AU exp and not suck bad. Claustrum has accuracy +20 (the main problem) Thus it would become easier to melee on tougher things. (I can already hit sea puks 90%ish for 45-60 a hit and 100ish crits).

I'm also flagging total bull shit on the 36% drk in a 3xmnk 1drk pt, I don't care what he has, no melee pulls that far ahead unless the others were afk or dead.

lol :D -edit- fixed erronous quoting

[UNCTGTG]

Why are you repeating me? I said if he was getting help from his ls, sponsored runs/etc... then it might be a little selfish to upgrade a melee weapon for a mage if someone else could upgrade something that they could actually use.

Not really, the LS is letting him/her upgrade. If that is the way their LS runs, then great, random for the sponsorship, it's a free run away to those around you (xp, cost of other items excluded), for a chance at AF. I know alot of HNMLS's on my server focus on certain relics first to help them kill/tank HNM's better. So I don't see him being selfish.

I'm also flagging total bull shit on the 36% drk in a 3xmnk 1drk pt, I don't care what he has, no melee pulls that far ahead unless the others were afk or dead.

I'm just quoting what he said.