Claustrum / Gate of Tartarus WS Testing

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Your first problem was inviting a SMN in a merit pt. Friends dont let friends merit on SMN.

I've seen SMN work fine in merit parties. As long as the party can infinite chain (which happened with a SMN) its all good.

[Veli]

If a SMN was seriously meleeing in a merit pt I was in as a BRD I would kick them if I was leader or warp on the party. I don't care how much damage you are doing with that staff, I have to pull and put songs on people. I won't be bothered by putting ballads on a SMN and watching out for the other melee so I don't remove their songs with ballad. SMN just won't get ballad if they want to stand that close to the melee. No time for that bullshit in a fast paced merit party. I permad to 60ish with a PLD and had no problems landing ballad on him and not the melee, but that shit doesn't fly in merit parties. I think you have to be seriously retarded to argue in favor for someone upgrading relic staff now that we know about it.

What if they have all merits capped and they dont hnm? lol...

[Sixtail]

If a SMN was seriously meleeing in a merit pt I was in as a BRD I would kick them if I was leader or warp on the party. I don't care how much damage you are doing with that staff, I have to pull and put songs on people. I won't be bothered by putting ballads on a SMN and watching out for the other melee so I don't remove their songs with ballad. SMN just won't get ballad if they want to stand that close to the melee. No time for that bullshit in a fast paced merit party. I permad to 60ish with a PLD and had no problems landing ballad on him and not the melee, but that shit doesn't fly in merit parties. I think you have to be seriously retarded to argue in favor for someone upgrading relic staff now that we know about it.

The point is that a SMN with Claustrum doesn't need ballads to stay near full MP with SA+Spirit Taker while their pet does good melee damage and BPs.

But the other point is, how often is that SMN gonna be spirit takering in a merit party? What..once..twice each mob? While curing and BPing as needed? And leaving that avatar out? And those Spirit Takers are going to return how much every time? Never missing, right?

[ponskun]

I don't walk in with false expectations like a billion dmg, I don't even think that it will be all that big of an improvement, but it is a fantastic challenge. The bottom line is if you think a relic will radically change the way you play you might as well quit now and not be disapointed.

Welcome to the ulitmate quest to complete.

[Tahngarthor]

If a SMN was seriously meleeing in a merit pt I was in as a BRD I would kick them if I was leader or warp on the party. I don't care how much damage you are doing with that staff, I have to pull and put songs on people. I won't be bothered by putting ballads on a SMN and watching out for the other melee so I don't remove their songs with ballad. SMN just won't get ballad if they want to stand that close to the melee. No time for that bullshit in a fast paced merit party. I permad to 60ish with a PLD and had no problems landing ballad on him and not the melee, but that shit doesn't fly in merit parties. I think you have to be seriously retarded to argue in favor for someone upgrading relic staff now that we know about it.

I'd kick you first as an asshole of a BRD, mister in-a-hurry. What were you expecting? gate of tartarus to give 1000 MP every time you use it? If it flise leveling PLD, it flies in a merit party. You're just a lazy-ass BRD. And I dont mind if I get hit with the melee songs at all. It just helps to have both refresh and ballad, though I can make do with one or the other for a time

[Mifaco]

If a SMN was seriously meleeing in a merit pt I was in as a BRD I would kick them if I was leader or warp on the party. I don't care how much damage you are doing with that staff, I have to pull and put songs on people. I won't be bothered by putting ballads on a SMN and watching out for the other melee so I don't remove their songs with ballad. SMN just won't get ballad if they want to stand that close to the melee. No time for that bullshit in a fast paced merit party. I permad to 60ish with a PLD and had no problems landing ballad on him and not the melee, but that shit doesn't fly in merit parties. I think you have to be seriously retarded to argue in favor for someone upgrading relic staff now that we know about it.

I'd kick you first as an asshole of a BRD, mister in-a-hurry. What were you expecting? gate of tartarus to give 1000 MP every time you use it? If it flise leveling PLD, it flies in a merit party. You're just a lazy-ass BRD. And I dont mind if I get hit with the melee songs at all. It just helps to have both refresh and ballad, though I can make do with one or the other for a time

LOL WHO JOINS A PARTY STARTED BY A SMN

[Tahngarthor]

But the other point is, how often is that SMN gonna be spirit takering in a merit party? What..once..twice each mob? While curing and BPing as needed? And leaving that avatar out? And those Spirit Takers are going to return how much every time? Never missing, right?

Rarely missing. My accuracy was just fine. How often do you WS on a single sea puk? Once? I hope thats your answer, because you would have to be hacking your TP or something. Not even the heavy melee DD was getting off multiple WS on those mobs. Minimal curing was needed, I proabably could have subbed THF, and just threw out carby for HR 2 if we were in danger of slowing down...

WHO JOINS A PT STARTED BY A SMN

Lots of people, it's the best shot a smn has at a party (DUH).

[Ichthyos]

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The point is that a SMN with Claustrum doesn't need ballads to stay near full MP with SA+Spirit Taker while their pet does good melee damage and BPs.

But the other point is, how often is that SMN gonna be spirit takering in a merit party? What..once..twice each mob? While curing and BPing as needed? And leaving that avatar out? And those Spirit Takers are going to return how much every time? Never missing, right?

I was envisioning this SMN taking the place of a melee, definitely not the place of the RDM. The SMN would sub THF for SA, so s/he wouldn't be curing at all. And yeah, Claustrum is 10.0 TP per hit (and one hit every 6.5 seconds), so there would be on average just less than one SA+Spirit Taker every mob in a high-chaining merit PT. One BP per mob, as well, leaving the avatar out. I'll ask Vipey to test SA+Spirit Taker on a few XP mobs in Caedarva with me later. I expect it to give ~500 MP each time.

[Eternus]

He was the one stating he had the BRD playing Ballad on him and the melee lol. I do not doubt that his staff + avatar melee dmg + BPs add up to something substantial. I am sure though it isn't putting you even in the middle of the pack DD wise, especially in a TP burn setting.

I will never argue the validity of a relic upgrade though in merit parties anyway. If SMN using that staff helps in anyway end game then its justified, but merit paries are not really end game in my opinion anyway lol. Meriting is something you do when you are totally bored and have nothing else to do with your time. I am almost maxed on merits as a BRD, which tells me I am damn bored. That staff does nothing for SMN against HNM, Gods, Jailers, etc. That is why it is compeletly worthless.

[epigram]

What do you do with relic staff when you are done meriting?

[Jeryhn]

Why do you guys argue with this ignorant troll? He obviously parsed that his SMN with a Claustrum would own everyone's face in a meriting party.

You can't prove he didn't do it!

[Tahngarthor]

What do you do with relic staff when you are done meriting?

You club some of the people in this thread over the head with it.

Why do you guys argue with this ignorant troll? He obviously parsed that his SMN with a Claustrum would own everyone's face in a meriting party.

You can't prove he didn't do it! Rolling Eyes

I'm not the OP, and the OP wasnt talking about owning people's faces in a meriting party.

[Sixtail]

What do you do with relic staff when you are done meriting?

Cue I-Relic picture please.

[Sixtail]

Why do you guys argue with this ignorant troll? He obviously parsed that his SMN with a Claustrum would own everyone's face in a meriting party.

You can't prove he didn't do it!

Because trolls trying to justicfy solo-olny relics that run the risk of getting them killed are fun. So is twisted logic.

[epigram]

My accuracy was just fine. How often do you WS on a single sea puk?

Your exp just off sea puks? How is your acc on mamools/trolls/weapons/rams/bigbirdthings/statues?

[Eternus]

I do not merit with SMN anyways usually lol. Yeah I am sure you would kick me first omg, you sound like a fucking second grader. I have no patience because I am trying to rake in 12-18k xp a hour in merits. If you have a BRD in your party you should move your lazy ass and go to the mages when he/she does ballad. Bad enough the BRD has to pull and crowd control... who wants to sing ballad 2 more times because some shitty ass SMN thinks he can melee because he was dumb enough to upgrade staff.

[Tahngarthor]

My accuracy was just fine. How often do you WS on a single sea puk?

Your exp just off sea puks? How is your acc on mamools/trolls/weapons/rams/bigbirdthings/statues?

Was just an example. Anything else in that area works fine, and I havent XP'ed in sky in a long time. Solo with a high dmg weapon is -not- suicide, you can stop saying that now. Kirin's pole is the next highest thing for SMN, and I can use that and not pull hate from fenrir. If you think a higher dmg weapon is going to get you killed, you must be soloing with carbuncle.

[Tahngarthor]

I do not merit with SMN anyways usually lol. Yeah I am sure you would kick me first omg, you sound like a fucking second grader. I have no patience because I am trying to rake in 12-18k xp a hour in merits. If you have a BRD in your party you should move your lazy ass and go to the mages when he/she does ballad. Bad enough the BRD has to pull and crowd control... who wants to sing ballad 2 more times because some shitty ass SMN thinks he can melee because he was dumb enough to upgrade staff.

i just want to know what servers actually take SMN to merit parties anymore... not on midgard, rofl.

Servers with players that arent as hardcore as you and dont bail out if they arent getting 12k an hour.

[Jeryhn]

I do not merit with SMN anyways usually lol. Yeah I am sure you would kick me first omg, you sound like a fucking second grader. I have no patience because I am trying to rake in 12-18k xp a hour in merits. If you have a BRD in your party you should move your lazy ass and go to the mages when he/she does ballad. Bad enough the BRD has to pull and crowd control... who wants to sing ballad 2 more times because some shitty ass SMN thinks he can melee because he was dumb enough to upgrade staff.

i just want to know what servers actually take SMN to merit parties anymore... not on midgard, rofl.

Servers with players that arent as hardcore as you and dont bail out if they arent getting 12k an hour.

So subpar servers that get get cavity raped by JPs for meriting areas and at HNM camps on a daily basis then?

Fucking trash NAs.

[epigram]

Well you keep on talking about sea puks which IIRC are T, not even VT.