Claustrum / Gate of Tartarus WS Testing

[aurik]

I'm just telling you what I saw.

I wont eat your flames Kuno, I saw what I saw and I did what I did. What reason would I have to make any of this up? You wouldnt be impressed even if you didnt think I was full of BS.

You also failed to mention that thf overall delay is about 250, whereas yours is close to 400...and they have triple attack, while you...don't.

[Lordwafik]

actually

Lolthief hits the mob for 24
Lolthief hits the mob for 25
Tahn hits the mob for 55
Lolthief hits the mob for 26
Lolthief hits the mob for 21
Tah hits the mob for 52

Yeah, misses hurt a lot more with a longer delay, but I wasnt having a real accuracy problem. Point is, if its more than 10-20 a swing, it could be wose, and there's still all the other damage from all the other sources which you continue to ignore. It adds something, something more than nothing. If it doesnt impact my ability to use BPs or throw a backup cure or two, then why not? There's no reason -not- to except to satisfy people who would get pissed off for no valid reason to complain. If your party is getting good exp, no one is dying and you dont have to constantly stop and rest, then there is no problem.

lol

more like

lolthf hits for 25
lolthf hits for 21
lolthf hits for 27
RofljaculationSMN hits for 47
lolthf hits for 22
lolthf hits for 17
lolthf hits for 20
lolthf hits for 21
lolthf hits for 27
RofljaculationSMN hits for 38


repeat.


SMN have no attack traits, triple/double attack traits, haste gear, nor good WS dmg to maintain BP.

THF hit for abyssimal damage (unless with mandau), and then WS for explosive damage. You'll hit for abyssimal dmg, slowly, then not even use a high dmg WS, you'll spirit taker to keep Fenrir out right?

So remind me again why you'll not be a burden to the party? You're not curing, you're doing worse damage than a BST or DRG.

Remind me once again how this argument is not like trying to find a viable reason to let in a DRK to come in as a magical DD.

[Eaglestrike]

lol

more like

lolthf hits for 25
lolthf hits for 21
lolthf hits for 27
RofljaculationSMN hits for 47
lolthf hits for 22
lolthf hits for 17
lolthf hits for 20
lolthf hits for 21
lolthf hits for 27
RofljaculationSMN hits for 38


repeat.


SMN have no attack traits, triple/double attack traits, haste gear, nor good WS dmg to maintain BP.

THF hit for abyssimal damage (unless with mandau), and then WS for explosive damage. You'll hit for abyssimal dmg, slowly, then not even use a high dmg WS, you'll spirit taker to keep Fenrir out right?

So remind me again why you'll not be a burden to the party? You're not curing, you're doing worse damage than a BST or DRG.

Remind me once again how this argument is not like trying to find a viable reason to let in a DRK to come in as a magical DD.

My thief hits for an average of 50dmg per swing. Don't need Mandau, but I agree most thf's are trash and won't be doing that. Then again, I wouldn't invite them to exp (it's sad that I can actually parse almost 2x the dmg of another 75thf) and I most certainly won't be inviting Tahn...ever lol

[RKenshin]

Lolthief hits the mob for 43
Lolthief hits the mob for 35
lolMNKorWAR hits the mob for 120
lolMNKorWAR hits the mob for 114
lolMNKorWAR hits the mob for 99
lolMNKorWAR hits the mob for 111
Tahn hits the mob for 55
lolMNKorWAR hits the mob for 112
lolMNKorWAR hits the mob for 103
Lolthief hits the mob for 46
Lolthief hits the mob for 51
lolMNKorWAR hits the mob for 106
lolMNKorWAR hits the mob for 128
lolMNKorWAR hits the mob for 119
Tah hits the mob for 52

Now that looks more practical.

The thought of this ended up being more amusing than the actual post. /sigh


EDIT: Btw, I really don't care much at all about what you do in exp, Tah. Don't mind me, I'm just being bored out of my mind and attempting to find a way to pass time. But honestly, save slight exaggeration in numbers (eh, not so much if you assume full buffs) the above is relatively close to true.

[Tahngarthor]

I'm just telling you what I saw.

I wont eat your flames Kuno, I saw what I saw and I did what I did. What reason would I have to make any of this up? You wouldnt be impressed even if you didnt think I was full of BS.

You also failed to mention that thf overall delay is about 250, whereas yours is close to 400...and they have triple attack, while you...don't.

(ignoring wafik because he's still completely ignoring, and being silly. He's still ignoring the fact that there is more than just my "abyssmal" melee DoT.

Yeah, thf dot will be a little better over all. But take away their DoT (lets just say you could for a moment without taking away their TP) and they would be just like a SMN, doing big damage here and there, and nothing inbetween.

I'll say it -again-

I have little trouble with MP.
I can have fenrir out for significant periods of time, also doing bite, or crecent fang if mp is low (or summon and dismiss garuda)
I hit most of the mobs around that exp area for 45-65ish and crit for 100ish with a 400ish (or less depending on which staff I have handy at the time)
I have reasonable accuracy with liifebelt, food, and optionally ecliptic howl.
I can still toss a cure if someone needs it.
I cant go on 100% continously like this, but my MP goes a lot farther than you think.'
I cant outdamage a heavy melee- No, it will never happen. I -can- do better damage than with BPs alone, by a measureable amount. <- this is the whole point of this.

So, lets edit the example event sequence here a bit:

Lolthief hits for 25
Lolthiefhits for 21
Tah hits for 60
Fenrir hits for 65
Lolthief hits for 30
Lolthief hits for 26
Lolthief hits for 22
Fenrir hits for 62
Lolthief hits for 26
Lolthief hits for 24
Tah hits for 55
Fenrir uses Eclipse Bite for 800
lolthief hits for 27
lolthief hits for 24
Lolthief hits for 23
Fenrir hits for 66
Tah hits for 54
Lolthief uses WS for 700

To the above, yeah a MNK will destroy these mobs in comparison.
I will continue to stand by that swinging that staff adds a little extra damage with virtually no downside, for me. Since the result was continuous, good exp (by my somewhat lower standards than the perfectionists here) with no downtime. Although I am comparing to thf to an extent here, I'm not making any claims to outdoing some other job. It's more of a claim of what the typical SMN can do, and what they can do if they open their mind and try something. Take your usual BP output, and add in not-so-great melee + not so great avatar melee. Bam, thats more damage tha n you were doing before, at minimal expense.

[Lordwafik]

My thief hits for an average of 50dmg per swing. Don't need Mandau, but I agree most thf's are trash and won't be doing that. Then again, I wouldn't invite them to exp (it's sad that I can actually parse almost 2x the dmg of another 75thf) and I most certainly won't be inviting Tahn...ever lol

Ya i know, was talking bout your typical weak sushi/harpex2 thief, they'd still out do him.

(ignoring wafik because he's still completely ignoring, and being silly. He's still ignoring the fact that there is more than just my "abyssmal" melee DoT.

Ignoring my valid post? Dude snap out of it.

MP setup = sacrifice highly needed Acc slots for MP slots, so you can keep avatars out more.

Acc setup = sacrifice having pets out longer for Acc slots instead of MP, to keep you hittting the mob so you can do that ever so awesome spirit taker. Also consider you are a galka, the race with the worst MP (playing a job that's entirely dependant on MP I dont get). So acc setup is murder on your pet upkeep.

What dont you understand?

STOP saying "But claustrum is +20 acc".

You

do

not

own

a

Claustrum


I wanna see this amazing setup of yours that has refresh+acc+MP all on the same peices.

[Tahngarthor]

Note: I did not factor the claustrum into the above.

Read: I have 1001 MP. My MP is fine. If you're a SMN and you're using up all that MP all the time, you're doing something seriously wrong. Outside of trying to hit things, MP is all that matters. And I have no trouble with MP. So S-T-F-U about the galka shit.

(I might have started with a hume or taru if I thought at the time that I wanted to play this job. But I didn't, and i'm not going to start all over for a couple extra MP.)

[Lordwafik]

I dont have perfect acc, never said that. I have good enough acc to fight the mobs that I have fought with it. I'm going to need more for anything tougher, and the claustrum has that. (or lay down 10 mil on a peacock charm in what is currently my most useless gear slot.)

But you used it as your argument already.

[epigram]

+50 acc, B skill, no haste gear, marginal pet performance, low WS dmg, no melee traits, low str, low dex.

I'm sorry summoner got a shitty relic, but you need to accept that and move on to something else.

[Tahngarthor]

+50 acc, B skill, no haste gear, marginal pet performance, low WS dmg, no melee traits, low str, low dex.

I'm sorry summoner got a shitty relic, but you need to accept that and move on to something else.

It's not shitty, it just doesnt give you perma +10 refresh like you want it to.

[Lordwafik]

10 refresh would actually make it useful.

[Eaglestrike]

+50 acc, B skill, no haste gear, marginal pet performance, low WS dmg, no melee traits, low str, low dex.

I'm sorry summoner got a shitty relic, but you need to accept that and move on to something else.

It's not shitty, it just doesnt give you perma +10 refresh like you want it to.

I find it a tad funny that you argue no one can call is 'shitty' because they don't have it. Yet you're able to claim it's not when you don't have it?

[aurik]

I'm just telling you what I saw.

I wont eat your flames Kuno, I saw what I saw and I did what I did. What reason would I have to make any of this up? You wouldnt be impressed even if you didnt think I was full of BS.

You also failed to mention that thf overall delay is about 250, whereas yours is close to 400...and they have triple attack, while you...don't.

(ignoring wafik because he's still completely ignoring, and being silly. He's still ignoring the fact that there is more than just my "abyssmal" melee DoT.

Yeah, thf dot will be a little better over all. But take away their DoT (lets just say you could for a moment without taking away their TP) and they would be just like a SMN, doing big damage here and there, and nothing inbetween.

I'll say it -again-

I have little trouble with MP.
I can have fenrir out for significant periods of time, also doing bite, or crecent fang if mp is low (or summon and dismiss garuda)
I hit most of the mobs around that exp area for 45-65ish and crit for 100ish with a 400ish (or less depending on which staff I have handy at the time)
I have reasonable accuracy with liifebelt, food, and optionally ecliptic howl.
I can still toss a cure if someone needs it.
I cant go on 100% continously like this, but my MP goes a lot farther than you think.'
I cant outdamage a heavy melee- No, it will never happen. I -can- do better damage than with BPs alone, by a measureable amount. <- this is the whole point of this.

So, lets edit the example event sequence here a bit:

Lolthief hits for 25
Lolthiefhits for 21
Tah hits for 60
Fenrir hits for 65
Lolthief hits for 30
Lolthief hits for 26
Lolthief hits for 22
Fenrir hits for 62
Lolthief hits for 26
Lolthief hits for 24
Tah hits for 55
Fenrir uses Eclipse Bite for 800
lolthief hits for 27
lolthief hits for 24
Lolthief hits for 23
Fenrir hits for 66
Tah hits for 54
Lolthief uses WS for 700

To the above, yeah a MNK will destroy these mobs in comparison.
I will continue to stand by that swinging that staff adds a little extra damage with virtually no downside, for me. Since the result was continuous, good exp (by my somewhat lower standards than the perfectionists here) with no downtime. Although I am comparing to thf to an extent here, I'm not making any claims to outdoing some other job. It's more of a claim of what the typical SMN can do, and what they can do if they open their mind and try something. Take your usual BP output, and add in not-so-great melee + not so great avatar melee. Bam, thats more damage tha n you were doing before, at minimal expense.

WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GETTING YOUR BP MANA

[Devek]

I think the biggest problem is he has no appreciation for the amount of damage real DDs do..

Just download a parser already.....

[Kuropiko]

WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GETTING YOUR BP MANA

With Soul Voice > 2x Ballad with Gjallarhorn + Refresh + Evoker's Roll scoring 11, of course.

[Sekkite]

This lolsmn belongs on Allakhazam. Unfortunately, he's caused the most controversy that I've seen on these forums in a while. Sad, but I can't give him a banished to Allakhazam card because he's entertaining.

[cravygravy]

Lordwafik is so angry. But for such a good reason. But hes so angry

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

This lolsmn belongs on Allakhazam. Unfortunately, he's caused the most controversy that I've seen on these forums in a while. Sad, but I can't give him a banished to Allakhazam card because he's entertaining.

I wonder what this summoner's baqst MP is.

[epigram]

Stage 5 relic staff is the best weapon a summoner can use to farm webs and a good weapon to skill up with.

In limbus/dynamis/small NM/fun with friends it probably has a place. But a pickup PT, or any time you actually want reasonable exp a melee summoner has no place. Now if you have some bst friends you can probably go melee trolls on Mt. Z. If there is any place for smn melee it's there.

Tossing a few numbers around in my head it looks like your dmg including pet/BP could almost keep up with a dual axe war/nin's dot if you exclude the war's ws dmg.

So per BP cycle a pretty standard war/nin is doing about 1500 or so more dmg than you, note that this 1500 includes one rampage and a partial rampage.

Stage 5 staff won't improve this much, best case I think the war would be doing 25% more dmg then you. This isn't even a pimped out war.

[DeadLegend]

Good lord.
Forget parsers, forget crazy tp formulas that I don't know how to figure out, forget meat and sushi, forget galka and taru, forget dual-wield haste. This is the most retarded thing I have ever seen. If he wanted to melee with a 2handed weapon, why didn't he just continue as a GAX warrior? Sometimes somebody asks a half-retarded but well meaning question and gets the "I'd ban the dick" spam posts thrown at him. How did this retard slip through? lol


Here is a well kept secret for Tahngruathorbgetc, presented in very simple language: DD jobs hit shit really, really hard. DD jobs don't miss. DD jobs hit shit, really, really fast. They have weapon skills that do a huge assload of damage, and they can pull these off in every single fight.

My pld wearing a retarded mix of koenig and acc+, with sushi, and str/dex-15928375, could outdamage the the goofy ass galka with a claustrum. The closest things I own to dd gear are my life belt and my narasimha vest, lol, but I can still get 350-500dmg vorpal/swift blades on Mamool ja with low tp and negative stat modification. Y halo thar A+ sword skill.

Why play a mage job if you don't want to be a mage? Why party on smn if you want to melee some shit? I have never understood why some mages want to do that. Play warrior, play thf, play drk, play mnk, etc.

Does anybody else notice this jerkoff edited 90% of his posts?

Grats to Vipey on Claustrum by the way haha :D