Claustrum / Gate of Tartarus WS Testing

[Tahngarthor]

Good lord.
Forget parsers, forget crazy tp formulas that I don't know how to figure out, forget meat and sushi, forget galka and taru, forget dual-wield haste. This is the most retarded thing I have ever seen. If he wanted to melee with a 2handed weapon, why didn't he just continue as a GAX warrior? Sometimes somebody asks a half-retarded but well meaning question and gets the "I'd ban the dick" spam posts thrown at him. How did this retard slip through? lol


Here is a well kept secret for Tahngruathorbgetc, presented in very simple language: DD jobs hit shit really, really hard. DD jobs don't miss. DD jobs hit shit, really, really fast. They have weapon skills that do a huge assload of damage, and they can pull these off in every single fight.

My pld wearing a retarded mix of koenig and acc+, with sushi, and str/dex-15928375, could outdamage the the goofy ass galka with a claustrum. The closest things I own to dd gear are my life belt and my narasimha vest, lol, but I can still get 350-500dmg vorpal/swift blades on Mamool ja with low tp and negative stat modification. Y halo thar A+ sword skill.

Why play a mage job if you don't want to be a mage? Why party on smn if you want to melee some shit? I have never understood why some mages want to do that. Play warrior, play thf, play drk, play mnk, etc.

Does anybody else notice this jerkoff edited 90% of his posts?

Grats to Vipey on Claustrum by the way haha :D

Yeah, I edited my posts to fix errors and fix double posts from noticng new replies and shit while posting.

ITS AN ADDITION. I'M NOT GOING TO JUST STAND THERE< SWING A STICK AND DO NOTHING. YOU ACT LIKE THATS THE ONLY THING THERE.
I HAVE 1001 MP. NOT 7!. you guys are fucking clueless, you just ignore everything and flame away because what I'm trying to do is different.
my blood pacts, avatar dmg, etc, are your provokes, berserks etc. They're my abilities, and I utilize them in the same way as any other summon. There is nothing fucking wrong with swinging a stick inbetween those things. And this ISNT Everywhere, All the time. This is in specialized cases. Do I melee tiamat? do I melee any HNM to cause damage? No. This is about XP off of Weakass mobs, and certain parts of limbus and dynamis, and solo. zyou say, "why play a mage if you dont want to be a mage." Guess what? I'm still doing the SMN stuff! I'm still summoning summons, I'm still using their abilities, i'm stiill even providing a little support. I've just added one small thing to the mix. A smidge of extra damage. That's it. It's that simple. I'm not just standing there building TP and WSing, and doing nothing else. What makes you think otherwise??? I've explained it 30 times, and you seem to think that it's 100% about the staff damage. Well, it's fucking not. It's about Everything a SMN can do, plus more. There is a logic behind the plan, a method to the madness.

Stage 5 relic staff is the best weapon a summoner can use to farm webs and a good weapon to skill up with.

In limbus/dynamis/small NM/fun with friends it probably has a place. But a pickup PT, or any time you actually want reasonable exp a melee summoner has no place. Now if you have some bst friends you can probably go melee trolls on Mt. Z. If there is any place for smn melee it's there.

Tossing a few numbers around in my head it looks like your dmg including pet/BP could almost keep up with a dual axe war/nin's dot if you exclude the war's ws dmg.

So per BP cycle a pretty standard war/nin is doing about 1500 or so more dmg than you, note that this 1500 includes one rampage and a partial rampage.

Stage 5 staff won't improve this much, best case I think the war would be doing 25% more dmg then you. This isn't even a pimped out war.

These places you mention are the same ones i'm talking about; Except the place where I was xp'ing was at the Sea Puk camp. (Those things are T man, come on- anyone can hit them!) Thanks for giving it a little thought. SMN dont have to be helpess outside of doing BPs to CoP wyrms and kings. This is more about enjoyment than being the best- but this can be better than "abyssmal." Of course, if everyone thought as some people on this forum do, the only DDs allowed in any party would be ridill WARs.

(edit to fix some typos and to react to the above post)

[DeadLegend]

1001 mp is gimp.
lol

[Ashen]

Personally if I were ever making a party and wanted a DD, I wouldn't miss a beat inviting that smn over wars and mnks.

Do your fucking job, DDs DD. Summoners summon. I don't care if you can sustain your mana and melee at the same time. You don't put up the numbers that melee do.

Do you invite plds so they can back up heal? It's the same fucking thing as inviting a smn to back up melee. It just an inefficient use of a party member slot.

[Lordwafik]

ITS AN ADDITION. I'M NOT GOING TO JUST STAND THERE< SWING A STICK AND DO NOTHING. YOU ACT LIKE THATS THE ONLY THING THERE.
I HAVE 1001 MP. NOT 7!.

It's a subtraction. What subtraction? You are subtracting the efficiency of yourself from out of the party. Hey let the galka feed more TP to the mob, which causes more damaging/annoying AOEs that he is not healing since he is only using MP to BP!

you guys are fucking clueless, you just ignore everything and flame away because what I'm trying to do is different.

No, you're the clueless one trying to convince us that SMN are not back line jobs only, hi2u spellcasting DRK.

my blood pacts, avatar dmg, etc, are your provokes, berserks etc.

No, Your bloodpacts are your damage, Provoke is not damage, berserk is not damage.

They're my abilities, and I utilize them in the same way as any other summon. There is nothing fucking wrong with swinging a stick inbetween those things.

You're not healing anyone, because your MP is being wasted on BP's, and you're not resting. Oh wait, you never did explain to aurik where your MP comes from. Galkan MP chakra amirite?

"why play a mage if you dont want to be a mage." Guess what? I'm still doing the SMN stuff! I'm still summoning summons, I'm still using their abilities, i'm stiill even providing a little support.

Last time I checked, you were not supporting anyone, you were being the selfish SMN who is keeping all your MP to keep avatars out and melee.

I've just added one small thing to the mix. A smidge of extra damage. That's it. It's that simple.

Then why dont you understand to be more useful if your damage is only a smidge? It should be a fucking clue to wether or not you should be whacking mobs with staves.

I'm not just standing there building TP and WSing, and doing nothing else. What makes you think otherwise??? I've explained it 30 times, and you seem to think that it's 100% about the staff damage. Well, it's fucking not. It's about Everything a SMN can do, plus more. There is a logic behind the plan, a method to the madness.

Here's why. You're telling us you're ok with DD, and to us, people with brains, we realize to actually hit stuff, you use different equipment. And to actually hit stuff, your MP gear wont be equipped because Acc and MP do not share the same slots, meaning non efficient SMN dude whacking mob. If you are meleeing with the mob, why? If your avatar is out 24/7, why?

If people want a DD, they will call a DD.
If people want a support role/Healer, they will call a SMN/BRD/RDM/WHM
If people want a total joke, they will call you.

[DeadLegend]

Gonna go merit dagger, sub thf, and equip the lv30 /thf latent earring so I can use evisceration as blm. HARDCORE DD

[Tahngarthor]

It's a subtraction. What subtraction? You are subtracting the efficiency of yourself from out of the party. Hey let the galka feed more TP to the mob, he's not using his MP to heal anyone. He's only using MP to BP!

60 dmg a hit isnt just "feeding TP."

Who wrote the laws and said SMN had to be healers? If I wanted to be a main healer, i'd level WHM. I turn down all invites to be main healer. ( have no problem at all secondary healing). No other job in the game ever exclusively plays their subjob. Ever. It's just stupid. The whole concept is for them to supplement your main abilities, not become them!

Summoners are supposed to summon. That's why they're called summoners. Why do they have MP naturally? so they can use their summons and their blood pacts. SE wasn't likely thinking "Lets give SMN a lot of MP so that everyone will look to them when they need someone who only plays their subjob!" It's an ADDITION. I am no less efficient. If people dont need the healing, why not BP? its the main function of my fucking job!

[Kuropiko]

If you can use a 109 MP Blood Pact + Fenrir's perpetuation cost with no resting at all, then I want your refreshers.

If you think a SMN's only purpose (other than meleeing, of course) is "to be helpess outside of doing BPs to CoP wyrms and kings", then you should quit the job or think about it again.

[Lordwafik]

Gonna go merit dagger, sub thf, and equip the lv30 /thf latent earring so I can use evisceration as blm. HARDCORE DD

i'll do the same with my relic dagger and rdm!

Oh speaking of which, Relic dagger does not turn RDM into a DD, I still sit back and refresh, cure, haste, enfeeble people. And yes, I do have a RDM DD build, and no, I still suck bawls because I have no melee traits/abilities/damage output.

So much for "You cant talk if you got one". I got one, Im talking.


Edit : I like how he ignores points that everyone makes that own him, he cant find a reply, then simply tells them "Im ignoring you because you are closed minded", which in 5 or so posts later he replies to anyway.

[Ashen]

you guys are fucking clueless, you just ignore everything and flame away

Plural. As in, there are more of us then you. I think an entire forum of end-gamers would collectively have more intelligence and experience then lonley ol' you.

Now I'm not saying that you should jump off a roof because your friends told you to. But I think you would be doing mankind a favor if you did.

[Tahngarthor]

you guys are fucking clueless, you just ignore everything and flame away

Plural. As in, there are more of us then you. I think an entire forum of end-gamers would collectively have more intelligence and experience then lonley ol' you.

Now I'm not saying that you should jump off a roof because your friends told you to. But I think you would be doing mankind a favor if you did.

Point proven. Now this isnt about anything. Its purely a flame.

If you can use a 109 MP Blood Pact + Fenrir's perpetuation cost with no resting at all, then I want your refreshers.

If you think a SMN's only purpose (other than meleeing, of course) is "to not be helpess outside of doing BPs to CoP wyrms and kings", then you should quit the job or think about it again.

Fixed what you left out, in bold.

[Lordwafik]

Point proven. Now this isnt about anything. Its purely a flame.

No, a flame would be "Go away".



Go away.

[DeadLegend]

"Lets give SMN a lot of MP so that everyone will look to them when they need someone who only plays their subjob!"

I'm sure it was more along the lines of "Hey let's give them shitty staff skill and the lowest str in the game so everyone will look to them to beat the shit out of puks!"

[Delekii]

The damage loss that you CAUSE from other melees being flashed due to Obsufurcation, or knocked back from wind shear, from the extra tp given from your shithouse swings would be more than you contribute.


Edit: Not to mention that you obviously are either using Elemental staffs and have no TP ever due to swapping in light staff for cures like you should be (why hello thar 35 base damage), or you are using a higher damage staff, and not switching, hence losing 10% on your cures, and more mp on your summoning time.


:mind boggle:

[Ashen]

you guys are fucking clueless, you just ignore everything and flame away

Plural. As in, there are more of us then you. I think an entire forum of end-gamers would collectively have more intelligence and experience then lonley ol' you.

Now I'm not saying that you should jump off a roof because your friends told you to. But I think you would be doing mankind a favor if you did.

Point proven. Now this isnt about anything. Its purely a flame.

I don't care about arguing with a wall about a topic as retarded as summoners meleeing, I just feel the need to let you know that if you use the same "intelligent thinking" for this arguement in real life, you are defying darwinism by being alive.

And that deserves a flame.

[Tahngarthor]

"Lets give SMN a lot of MP so that everyone will look to them when they need someone who only plays their subjob!"

I'm sure it was more along the lines of "Hey let's give them shitty staff skill and the lowest str in the game so everyone will look to them to beat the shit out of puks!"

Shitty staff skill? It ties for second best! I wont even go into great lengths as to how you're forgetting that i'm still summoning, and not just standing there "beating the shit out of puks."

Oh, and when did I claim to be more intelligent and better than the sum total of every single person on this forum? I haven't done that. Quit putting words in my mouth. There are some people here i'm developing a strong dislike for. But i'm not going to wish them to commit suicide.

[Kuropiko]

Still doesn't tell us how you keep your MP up while meleeing AND using Blood Pacts... Unless you know a way to get back all 109 Eclipse Bite MP + Fenrir's perp cost in 48 seconds ? Oh wait... Did you mean Carbuncle using Poison Nails ?

[DeadLegend]

250 is gahbage, give me an effing break, and I am forgetting how you're summoning, because you don't have the secret galka MP CHAKRA

This guy sounds like the kind of douche you meet in a qufim party who's yelling "I'M A LEVEL 50 RDM!" the entire time.

(you think he has secret goblin drink recipe for mp?)

[Lordwafik]

Shitty staff skill? It ties for second best!

PLD - 269
SMN - 250

Quite a leap there matey.

I wont even go into great lengths as to how you're forgetting that i'm still summoning, and not just standing there "beating the shit out of puks."

So when you summon say.. Fenrir, are you swapping to dark staff? Or whatabout when you change avatar, your TP goes along with it too.


Then again, you've probably never meleed in a party for more than 2 minutes, because your amazing entries (read : compulsive lying) on how well you hit do not match up even with the best of the best real DD's.

[Fryte]

This seems like a good place to ask, as I'm lazy and don't like skilling up staff on my SMN. Does Spirit Taker do damage to the mob or does it simply take the imaginary damage and convert it to MP gained?

[Lordwafik]

damage = MP