Claustrum / Gate of Tartarus WS Testing

[Lockecole]

The elitism in some post in this thread makes me want to vomit

I Agree With u BRP, stop bitching . Huge Congratulation to Ichthyos, thanks you for all INFO u shared about your new toy.

omg, MRP is BRP's second account, agreeing with himself!

[Ichthyos]

To clarify, Vipey's the one with the toy. I merely set up the WS tests and posted the data, hehe.

[BRP]

I would never say "u".

[Angelsin]

I would never say "u".

split personalities then!

[NynJa]

Exactly, a mob has 4 shadows, you hit him with a 5 hit WS, so naturally you still get some hits in. Thats not "going through shadows" thats wiping them and still having hits left to damage. What I mean is that Sneak Attack if just used solely, will go through shadows, the first and second hit will do damage (the big SA, and the offhand) take no shadows off, leaving all 4 shadows up.

Thats because the hits guaranteed by sneak attack register, whereas the extra hits (not guaranteed to land) are absorbed by utsusemi. Hence why I get 10% (main hand guaranteed, extra 4 hits not guaranteed, offhand hit guaranteed).

Not true, Utsesumi absorbs SA and SA WS until all 3 (or 4) shadows are gone.

Blink/AA does not function the same way Utsesumi does, you will not always hit the shadows.

well blm/thf full swing just got owned by utsu. I'll go back to that yag herald later on thf main, because I know for a fact I've hit ninja mobs with utsu up on thf main, had that attack round land, then had my subsequent melee shots absorbed by utsu.

[divisortheory]

I have to admit, it is pretty disappointing if this really doesn't have any MAB or Perpetuation. Disappointing to the point that I'd go so far as to say it's a bug and SE needs to fix it.

[Ichthyos]

I'm with NynJa about SATA on THF main. I can SA+WS mobs with Utsu up and have 2 (Dual Wielded) hits land.

[Angelsin]

I have to admit, it is pretty disappointing if this really doesn't have any MAB or Perpetuation. Disappointing to the point that I'd go so far as to say it's a bug and SE needs to fix it.

Agreed. It should have more MAB than elemental staves. At least then it could actually be useful instead of some "toy".

[Lockecole]

I'm with NynJa about SATA on THF main. I can SA+WS mobs with Utsu up and have 2 (Dual Wielded) hits land.

Yeah I think we're all agreeing, just stating different examples, but they all fall under the same rules. At least I agree now.

[Ichthyos]

Ah ok hehe. I was probably reading too fast and misunderstood.

[Darus Grey]

She was the first NA alchemist to 100 on our server, too

I'd definetly challenge her for that title! (Yeah its pointless, w/e ;>)

[Vinen]

She was the first NA alchemist to 100 on our server, too

I'd definetly challenge her for that title! (Yeah its pointless, w/e ;>)

I'll second Darus on this one. Vipey was a close second.. but I defintly remember hearing from a friend when you hit 100... miss Dekar ;x

[Dezzimal]

SA seems to stack weird with multi-hit weapons too. I got SA'd by a THF in ballista once and he was offhanding or mainhanding merc kris; I got hit 3-4 times through my shadows. I have a screenshot of it somewhere...

Grats on the Claustrum btw.

[shihei]

yuo can also have triple attack, double attack land on the first round with that SA and then you will start hitting shadows

[Lockecole]

SA seems to stack weird with multi-hit weapons too. I got SA'd by a THF in ballista once and he was offhanding or mainhanding merc kris; I got hit 3-4 times through my shadows. I have a screenshot of it somewhere...

Grats on the Claustrum btw.

Yeah, the first SET of attacks all go through shadows, as long as they're combined with the original Sneak Attack. So as many as 6 attacks with triple attacks, or 11 with Kraken.

[netz]

And as far as Hagun vs. Relic, when would you ever WS past 200% unless you were forced to. Even during 2hour, Hagun would probably end up being better, considering you'd get a 300%, 300% and a 200% WS.

If the only WS you ever use at 100% is Kaiten, it's gonna be as good or better than 300% yuki/gekko/kasha from ushiki/onimaru/shinsoku. You also get the nice bonus of wielding a weapon that doesn't completely suck for normal melee attacks.

2nd: Kaiten's 2nd element is Fragmentation, yes? 2HR > Gekko (300%) > Kasha (200%) > Kaiten (100% with TP being irrelevant beyond Store TP bonus). I'm pretty sure that's gonna crush Hagun's damage on Yukikaze > Gekko > Kasha for a light chain. Well, maybe not crush... that's a little ambitious...

[BRP]

Has the third effect been found out? Dispel and Refresh? Shouldn't there be a third? or is that only for Apoc.

PS. Also has anyone checked for any spell bonus while the Refresh is on?

[Alleya]

2nd: Kaiten's 2nd element is Fragmentation, yes? 2HR > Gekko (300%) > Kasha (200%) > Kaiten (100% with TP being irrelevant beyond Store TP bonus). I'm pretty sure that's gonna crush Hagun's damage on Yukikaze > Gekko > Kasha for a light chain. Well, maybe not crush... that's a little ambitious...

Kasha <-> Kaiten is Light.

Kasha -> Kaiten -> Kaiten hi2u self-double light.

[Ichthyos]

SA seems to stack weird with multi-hit weapons too. I got SA'd by a THF in ballista once and he was offhanding or mainhanding merc kris; I got hit 3-4 times through my shadows. I have a screenshot of it somewhere...

Grats on the Claustrum btw.

Yeah, the first SET of attacks all go through shadows, as long as they're combined with the original Sneak Attack. So as many as 6 attacks with triple attacks, or 11 with Kraken.

Getting technical here, but apparently # of attacks in an attack round caps at 8. Wizerd posted this a while back somewhere, and I'm inclined to agree although I don't have hard proof. I haven't seen an attack round of more than 8 hits even when offhanding Kraken though.

[Delekii]

No MAB and no -Perp.. what the fucking hell were they thinking?