Claustrum / Gate of Tartarus WS Testing

[Ichthyos]

We all know that Martial weapons are TPx1.5 not TP+100 right? If not it's ok, I just learned that recently too...

I'm not sure where this rumor started. I have martial anelace, and did spirit's within at 100 tp for 206 damage. My hp was 1099. Looking at the ws modifier list spirits does 6/32 of your hp at 200% so it sure looks like +100tp and not +50%...

It started in the BUM thread by Raineer.

http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewto ... start=1050

Just to add, sometimes my martial bhuj feels like it's only adding on +50% when I do WS at 100%TP but I have no proof expect a gut feeling

Hmm, guess I was wrong to believe the thread myself. Just did some testing with my RDM friend Atraeu:

Spirits Within with Martial Anelace:
103TP -> 219 damage at 1123 HP (a little over 6/32)
153TP -> 377 damage at 1123 HP
204TP -> 526 damage at 1123 HP (15/32)
300TP -> 526 damage at 1123 HP (15/32)

So assuming the damage multipliers are 4/32, 6/32, and 15/32 at 100, 200, and 300 TP with a normal sword, it would seem the Martial Anelace gives the effect of having +100TP.

[Jeryhn]

2nd: Kaiten's 2nd element is Fragmentation, yes? 2HR > Gekko (300%) > Kasha (200%) > Kaiten (100% with TP being irrelevant beyond Store TP bonus). I'm pretty sure that's gonna crush Hagun's damage on Yukikaze > Gekko > Kasha for a light chain. Well, maybe not crush... that's a little ambitious...

Kasha <-> Kaiten is Light.

Kasha -> Kaiten -> Kaiten hi2u self-double light.

Meditate -> Kasha -> Meikyo Shusui -> Kaiten -> Kaiten -> Kaiten -> Icarus Wing -> Kaiten?

That's not including normal hits or a SAM's more clever use of Meditate to get an extra WS out... I'd imagine Amanomurakumo owns face.

[aurik]

2nd: Kaiten's 2nd element is Fragmentation, yes? 2HR > Gekko (300%) > Kasha (200%) > Kaiten (100% with TP being irrelevant beyond Store TP bonus). I'm pretty sure that's gonna crush Hagun's damage on Yukikaze > Gekko > Kasha for a light chain. Well, maybe not crush... that's a little ambitious...

Kasha <-> Kaiten is Light.

Kasha -> Kaiten -> Kaiten hi2u self-double light.

Meditate -> Kasha -> Meikyo Shusui -> Kaiten -> Kaiten -> Kaiten -> Icarus Wing -> Kaiten?

That's not including normal hits or a SAM's more clever use of Meditate to get an extra WS out... I'd imagine Amanomurakumo owns face.

Stops after the second light, so you want to do
store 100 TP...kasha->meikyo->kaiten->med->kaiten->kasha->kaiten->wing->kaiten

(2 self-double-lights)

[kareface]

From what I tested you can't continue a 3rd time and you can't continue light or dark made between 2 other relic WSs even if its only the 'first' light or darkness.

[Lockecole]

I just would like to say: Fuck animated weapons

Why? They're pretty easy. >.>

[KingAFK]

Wow, congrats to her!

I've been walking down this road myself. The hardest part for me has been getting the attest. and fragment.

Only one NA dynamis LS on Alexander has killed attestation mobs. Kyte. But being I'm in CLAIMEDdynamis.. I've not had a chance to get staff one. And no NA shell on Alexander has even considered attempting animated weapons.

Oh well, I'm on the edge of giving up. Or putting the dream aside for a while..

http://www.summonerguide.info/other/relic-001.png

The last 30 T.White a jp friend is loaning me that is working on relic horn.. But if I do not get my items soon then his offer of loaning them to me will be expired as he plans on finishing it soon then selling the 30..

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

I just would like to say: Fuck animated weapons

Why? They're pretty easy. >.>

Worst lag I have ever experienced was doing animated scythe. Its in one of the tunnels and obviously you can't really pull I cant pull my tricks during the fight. I've never done a different one...but you can't even flat blade spam it to stop the warp since theres so much lag. Its fucking insane.

[Angelsin]

I just would like to say: Fuck animated weapons

Why? They're pretty easy. >.>

Worst lag I have ever experienced was doing animated scythe. Its in one of the tunnels and obviously you can't really pull I cant pull my tricks during the fight. I've never done a different one...but you can't even flat blade spam it to stop the warp since theres so much lag. Its fucking insane.

Well with 21 ppl my/locke's LS killed the shield pretty easily. I would imagine the shield has more def than weapons but won't jump to that conclusion yet. Has anyone else here fought the shield and another weapon? And I mean serious fight. Not a "HAY A FLOATING GUN! I ATTACKZ!" fight. Just wondering if the sheild has less hp/def, more hp/def, or roughly the same.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

I just would like to say: Fuck animated weapons

Why? They're pretty easy. >.>

Worst lag I have ever experienced was doing animated scythe. Its in one of the tunnels and obviously you can't really pull I cant pull my tricks during the fight. I've never done a different one...but you can't even flat blade spam it to stop the warp since theres so much lag. Its fucking insane.

Well with 21 ppl my/locke's LS killed the shield pretty easily. I would imagine the shield has more def than weapons but won't jump to that conclusion yet. Has anyone else here fought the shield and another weapon? And I mean serious fight. Not a "HAY A FLOATING GUN! I ATTACKZ!" fight. Just wondering if the sheild has less hp/def, more hp/def, or roughly the same.

I'm just wondering, where is the shield located? Assuming the fights are the same, the location is everything.

[aurik]

I just would like to say: Fuck animated weapons

Why? They're pretty easy. >.>

Worst lag I have ever experienced was doing animated scythe. Its in one of the tunnels and obviously you can't really pull I cant pull my tricks during the fight. I've never done a different one...but you can't even flat blade spam it to stop the warp since theres so much lag. Its fucking insane.

Well with 21 ppl my/locke's LS killed the shield pretty easily. I would imagine the shield has more def than weapons but won't jump to that conclusion yet. Has anyone else here fought the shield and another weapon? And I mean serious fight. Not a "HAY A FLOATING GUN! I ATTACKZ!" fight. Just wondering if the sheild has less hp/def, more hp/def, or roughly the same.

Sheild has really low defense, apparently. Makes of for its immunity to magic damage.

The different animated weapons do have varying amount of m.def. it seems...I would assume they have varying amounts of phys.def as well. Also, it seems to us that certain weapons like or dislike certain things--the tachi was always really fast to warp on us, whereas the knuckles, dagger, gun, always stayed around for a long while. Could just be luck, we have only attempted to kill 10 or so.

[Lordwafik]

i dont think it's luck, tachi hates magic damage, it pisses him off and he warps early, while the h2h didnt really seem to mind as much, but this one died as it was warping on both attempts. Dagger seemed ok with magic, he wasnt even considering warping apon death.

Shield = hi2u 0-100 dmg nukes.

[Kurp]

i dont think it's luck, tachi hates magic damage, it pisses him off and he warps early, while the h2h didnt really seem to mind as much, but this one died as it was warping on both attempts. Dagger seemed ok with magic, he wasnt even considering warping apon death.

Shield = hi2u 0-100 dmg nukes.

Would you recommend not nuking the Tachi at all?

[Lordwafik]

No, how else would it die ;p

We kill them in seconds, they have to die really fast, within 15-20 seconds or so.

What we did on our final winning attempt on the tachi, had the sam self SC light, and also have our token monk get soul voice double minuet while he hundred fisted. So long as you can keep his attention enough, he wont warp, and the melee damage from self light + hundred fists was enough to keep him from warping due to all the nukes.

I suspect the tachi stayed due to the actual skillchaining going off, rather than the physical damage. I have a feeling landing a MB on it will help keep it out longer.

[Ichthyos]

Only one NA dynamis LS on Alexander has killed attestation mobs. Kyte. But being I'm in CLAIMEDdynamis.. I've not had a chance to get staff one. And no NA shell on Alexander has even considered attempting animated weapons.

Oh well, I'm on the edge of giving up. Or putting the dream aside for a while...

Don't give up! The LS that helped Vipey get her Attestation broke before they had a chance to get her the Fragment. After realizing that it wouldn't happen any other way, we did the research (read: sending PMs to Lordwafik) for the fight ourselves and ran sponsored, free lot (declared AF and 100s, free lot singles) Xarca 3 times over 6 weeks, advertising on KI and with the local HNM LSs. On our third run we managed to kill the staff before it warped, and got the Fragment!

[Dammerung]

I just would like to say: Fuck animated weapons

Why? They're pretty easy. >.>

Worst lag I have ever experienced was doing animated scythe. Its in one of the tunnels and obviously you can't really pull I cant pull my tricks during the fight. I've never done a different one...but you can't even flat blade spam it to stop the warp since theres so much lag. Its fucking insane.

Well with 21 ppl my/locke's LS killed the shield pretty easily. I would imagine the shield has more def than weapons but won't jump to that conclusion yet. Has anyone else here fought the shield and another weapon? And I mean serious fight. Not a "HAY A FLOATING GUN! I ATTACKZ!" fight. Just wondering if the sheild has less hp/def, more hp/def, or roughly the same.

I'm just wondering, where is the shield located? Assuming the fights are the same, the location is everything.

It's like to the south of NIN/DRK/BLM platform.

http://www.k2.dion.ne.jp/~ffxi/ff_xarcabard_00.jpg

[Ichthyos]

I just would like to say: Fuck animated weapons

Why? They're pretty easy. >.>

Worst lag I have ever experienced was doing animated scythe. Its in one of the tunnels and obviously you can't really pull I cant pull my tricks during the fight. I've never done a different one...but you can't even flat blade spam it to stop the warp since theres so much lag. Its fucking insane.

Well with 21 ppl my/locke's LS killed the shield pretty easily. I would imagine the shield has more def than weapons but won't jump to that conclusion yet. Has anyone else here fought the shield and another weapon? And I mean serious fight. Not a "HAY A FLOATING GUN! I ATTACKZ!" fight. Just wondering if the sheild has less hp/def, more hp/def, or roughly the same.

I've fought staff and shield on my friend's MNK, and shield seemed to have less def. HP seemed about the same.

[Ichthyos]

probably a good reason PS doesn't have the fragment or attest but i digress...

has Vipey or Caile levelled BLM to 75 or am I going to end up being the first person to have that as well (4/6 smn af2, 2/6 blm af2 as it stands today, both jobs at 75 but not merited)? I'm really damn curious.

Vipey is leveling BLM, it's around 60 I believe.

[Kurp]

No, how else would it die ;p

We kill them in seconds, they have to die really fast, within 15-20 seconds or so.

What we did on our final winning attempt on the tachi, had the sam self SC light, and also have our token monk get soul voice double minuet while he hundred fisted. So long as you can keep his attention enough, he wont warp, and the melee damage from self light + hundred fists was enough to keep him from warping due to all the nukes.

I suspect the tachi stayed due to the actual skillchaining going off, rather than the physical damage. I have a feeling landing a MB on it will help keep it out longer.

Bah, I forget what kind of shell you're running.

I was just curious if a shell with an ample amount of melee damage might just be better off not nuking, if it really does warp so quickly because of magic damage.

[ps2user]

Yes, because nobody could kill the animated weapons/attestations, aswell as exploding dynamis LS's, (my LS may have started later than normal[1 year anniversary soon!] but it's the longest lasting dynamis LS on asura to date). Because my LS likes dynamis, and love relic weapons, my LS kills the animated weapons for anyone who is nearing completion, and is not an asshole. We've helped finish 4 relic weapons on asura, the only 4.

i thought zion's dynamis shell lasts 1.5years already.

[Tahngarthor]

Is it 100% confirmed that it has no magic attack bonus or -avatar perp?

No MAB or Avatar Perp.

Assuming that she paid for it mainly herself it's a job well done. But does it actually add any real utility to the job? or can you just farm spiders faster?

Yeah, she's been collecting currency since mid-2004, and was fortunate enough to get a good chunk of it at like 10k apiece. She was the first NA alchemist to 100 on our server, too. I wouldn't say it adds utility to her job, but it's the best weapon to wear if you're full-time SMN and meleeing I suppose.

Would be a better staff for blm melee, smn has other options which would make it pretty situational. (imo)

How much dmg does the WS avarage on other stuff without SA?

SMN has very good reason to melee particularly in solo (and u can also get away with it in ToUA exp parties since the mobs are horribly wussy, and yes i've done it). BLM -NEVER- melee, not even on Too Weak. SMN can kill solo pretty fast with a higher dmg weapon (such as Kirin's Pole if you arent upgrading relic) when using fenrir and doing SATA spirit taker. Only noobs and lesser whimps carby kite mobs they could kill 4x faster by using fenrir and meleeing. In other words, SMN has far more use for this than BLM. Only bahamut's pole can compete with this weapon on SMN. (and id take the claustrum just because itt'd be way more fun)