Claustrum / Gate of Tartarus WS Testing

[Lockecole]

Is it 100% confirmed that it has no magic attack bonus or -avatar perp?

No MAB or Avatar Perp.

Assuming that she paid for it mainly herself it's a job well done. But does it actually add any real utility to the job? or can you just farm spiders faster?

Yeah, she's been collecting currency since mid-2004, and was fortunate enough to get a good chunk of it at like 10k apiece. She was the first NA alchemist to 100 on our server, too. I wouldn't say it adds utility to her job, but it's the best weapon to wear if you're full-time SMN and meleeing I suppose.

Would be a better staff for blm melee, smn has other options which would make it pretty situational. (imo)

How much dmg does the WS avarage on other stuff without SA?

SMN has very good reason to melee particularly in solo (and u can also get away with it in ToUA exp parties since the mobs are horribly wussy, and yes i've done it).

Wow...thanx for that little tidbit of information. Helps to know who's opinion to disregard and who's not to.

[Celeras]

No, how else would it die ;p

We kill them in seconds, they have to die really fast, within 15-20 seconds or so.

What we did on our final winning attempt on the tachi, had the sam self SC light, and also have our token monk get soul voice double minuet while he hundred fisted. So long as you can keep his attention enough, he wont warp, and the melee damage from self light + hundred fists was enough to keep him from warping due to all the nukes.

I suspect the tachi stayed due to the actual skillchaining going off, rather than the physical damage. I have a feeling landing a MB on it will help keep it out longer.

Real men kill the weapons 2hr-less after blowing them all on DL. +10 pages.

[Machazareel]

http://krsjin.livejournal.com/61318.html#cutid1

Unimpressive isn't really the word I'd use to describe Kaiten, myself.. >_>

[UNCTGTG]

Those numbers are pretty sexy. But Chr as a modifier wow. Never would have guessed that. Congrats to her for obtaining this.

For those wondering about Apoc and WS Catastrophe.

Words directly from viewing WS inside dynamis:
Effects from WS:

"Drains targets HP. Additional effect Haste."

I have personally given up hope of finding exact % from WS on Haste effect because I have to much stuff going on to figure it out, but will find better numbers once I can use outside of dynamis.

The drain effect if extremely nice, resulting in 1/4-1/2 WS damage. But before someone asks, yes it's additonal damage to the mob. For example, People on screen only see 1400 but if you watch my HP if I am damaged my HP regains 1/4-1/2 WS damage so attach that onto the 1400. It 's just like the drain spell, if your at full HP you cast drain it still does damage to the mob. So total damage can range from 1750 (1/4 drain effect added in) to 2100 (high side drain effect added in). But the drain effect personally from what I have done never drops below 1/4 WS damage.

Blind is the what procs when you have final apocalypse and not from WS, just like Excalibur has "damage prop. to HP", and Mandau has "Poison".

I've seen (as I've said before) a DRK/THF outparse a MNK/WAR (BB great gear) in a mire party with apocalypse. And he wouldnt die at all, Catastrophe gains an additional effect where you recover HP based on damage dealt (amount varies though.) Also the health drained from souleater is lowered with apoc. And he was tied with a MNK/NIN (also with BB and great gear) with axe/ridill.
Apoc.Is.Fucking.Nuts.
The other one I saw was kikoku and it wasn't impressive.

Gugnir might make DRG good honestly. One of their issues is shit weapons and shit WSes. I've seen no data (people instantly write off DRG) but its possible to make DRG damn powerful.

Was that War/nin you ment there, because I never knew a monk can use axe/ridill.

Seems to me people just write off jobs and others follow suit.

Relics: I mean HNMLS upgrade relics that benefit their HNMLS. Hence why you see alot of shields/horns being upgraded first, and they use their currency for that, while other LS's that just do Dynamis spread their currency around so all members have a chance to upgrade (correct me if I am wrong, DynamisBums do this). Those that have finished or nearing completion, let them enjoy it, not shoot them down, because frankly they completed the single most hardest/longest quest in FFXI.

http://krsjin.livejournal.com/61318.html#cutid1

Unimpressive isn't really the word I'd use to describe Kaiten, myself.. >_>

Exactly when your pulling off numbers like that at 100TP, instead of the 300TP WS's. So I'll take 5400 (rounding) damage (3 WSs at 100TP) to 1800 damage only once from one 300TP WS. Isn't the goal in dynamis to kill more mobs, which means more AF, more currency. I'll take that damage anyday.

[Shuemue]

BLM -NEVER- melee

Bullshit. My Taru BLM melee build is the shit.

[Eternus]

Notice how Locke left out Horn and Shield lol. No need to comment on those as they have been talked about plenty. That WS is fucked up lol... BLM and SMN only relegates that WS to shit status. Still staff is complete shit. No -avatar perp or magic attk bonus or anything. Just an impractical weapon, just like the majority of the relics.

[Coren]

Out of complete curiosity, has any gungnir been completed by anybody that speaks english? I'm curious whether it makes drg suck less (as the other guy said, a big thing holding drg back is craptastic weapons and shitass WS).

[UNCTGTG]

Just an impractical weapon, just like the majority of the relics.: you must be a dreamer still.


Polearm: Hmmm yes, one on our server can speak broken English but kinda well enough to understand him.

[Raineer]

Out of complete curiosity, has any gungnir been completed by anybody that speaks english? I'm curious whether it makes drg suck less (as the other guy said, a big thing holding drg back is craptastic weapons and shitass WS).

There's one on Siren but it's JP, I'm sure no NA would actually do it simply because of this website >_>

I have read some information on it and it does appear to be awesometastic as far as polearms go...but yeah. I agree with Locke's test earlier, if it's at least the best weapon the job can equip then I'm ok with it. Gugnir is definately that even with lolshockspikes (if anyone says I'm wrong then loldrg @you)

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

I've seen (as I've said before) a DRK/THF outparse a MNK/WAR (BB great gear) in a mire party with apocalypse. And he wouldnt die at all, Catastrophe gains an additional effect where you recover HP based on damage dealt (amount varies though.) Also the health drained from souleater is lowered with apoc. And he was tied with a MNK/NIN (also with BB and great gear) with axe/ridill.
Apoc.Is.Fucking.Nuts.
The other one I saw was kikoku and it wasn't impressive.

Gugnir might make DRG good honestly. One of their issues is shit weapons and shit WSes. I've seen no data (people instantly write off DRG) but its possible to make DRG damn powerful.

Was that War/nin you ment there, because I never knew a monk can use axe/ridill.

No it was the DRK. I was comparing his axe/ridill numbers to his DRK/THF catastrophe numbers.

Seems to me people just write off jobs and others follow suit.

I blame BG every time I look to merit and don't get an invite

[Eaglestrike]

probably a good reason PS doesn't have the fragment or attest but i digress...

has Vipey or Caile levelled BLM to 75 or am I going to end up being the first person to have that as well (4/6 smn af2, 2/6 blm af2 as it stands today, both jobs at 75 but not merited)? I'm really damn curious.

Vipey is leveling BLM, it's around 60 I believe.

mmm good. I still want to see BLM results when she hits 75 >.>

Unless it magically has +MAB which it really doesn't look like since Club has no +potency and there is no -avatar perp, I don't see the staff doing shit for blm. Smn at least has the excuse they can solo with it. Blm doesn't solo like that since they can't tank.

[Tape]

If these are the 'best' and this hard to get, that really doesn't leave SE with many options as far as new weapons go.

[epigram]

No relic is zomg. Relic scythe I'm sure is nice, but it isn't earth shattering, honestly you could probably do about the same damage burn side with an axe/ridill or sword/ridill setup. Staff is epeen and farming gear, a smn isn't suddenly going to be an amazing DD because of it though, for a blm it's all epeen.

My relic is lolbst, it's mostly done with currency and 95% of it has been bought from bazaars. It was a shit ton of hard work to get here, and all I do is farm/bc/enm/ks/craft/assault while I'm on. It is the best axe in it's class, it won't make me amazing, but it will let me do darkness ws's though with a weapon that I actually have A skill in.

The biggest problem with relic isn't so much what people are upgrading, it's the people who are upgrading withoug a clue as to how hard it is. For some reason that can't figure out that 15,000 currency * price/1 unit currency = how much your going to pay. Free lotting with 18 other people in your ls may seem like a cheaper way to go, but there is another chunk of math that you can break out, 15,000/ currency per month from ls. Still people upgrade and turn in their items and currency just to quit when they figure out how long and how much it is really going to cost.

[Awoir]

Couldn't she just go SMN/BLM and nuke something in rolanberry naked, then use the same nuke with the relic equipped? If the second does more damage then it has MaB <_<

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Relic scythe I'm sure is nice, but it isn't earth shattering, honestly you could probably do about the same damage burn side with an axe/ridill or sword/ridill setup.

I already said otherwise...

BTW Relic+Temperance Axe+Chopsuey Chucky=GG mob

[Ichthyos]

Couldn't she just go SMN/BLM and nuke something in rolanberry naked, then use the same nuke with the relic equipped? If the second does more damage then it has MaB <_<

That's what we did, except on bats in Qufim because that's where the warp taru dumped us.

[Awoir]

Couldn't she just go SMN/BLM and nuke something in rolanberry naked, then use the same nuke with the relic equipped? If the second does more damage then it has MaB <_<

That's what we did, except on bats in Qufim because that's where the warp taru dumped us.

Ahh, ok, didn't see that, hadn't read everything since the OP was changed

[Siatdiat]

BTW Relic+Temperance Axe+Chopsuey Chucky=GG mob

Lifedrinker Lars > Chopsuey Chucky

That being said, they are both HQs, use new materials added just for their synths, and noone ever farms it. Im still in the process of farming mats for 3 stacks of synths and going to cross my fingers for a whole stack of hqs. I might get half a stack, which is an hour and a half of jug pet for merit, and ive spent over 10 hrs farming so far as a 75 bst to get not quite half the mats I need. You do the math.

P.S. Any NQ jugs are pretty much garbage since they are capped at lvl 65.

[epigram]

I already said otherwise...

You can say a lot of things, show me or give me some deductive reasoning behind this.

[Priran]

I already said otherwise...

You can say a lot of things, show me or give me some parses.

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