Claustrum / Gate of Tartarus WS Testing

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

I already said otherwise...

You can say a lot of things, show me or give me some deductive reasoning behind this.

I dont have the parses anymore and I sure as hell can't get the guy who got the apoc to go back to axe/ridill again, but I'm NOT talking out of my ass at all. I'll ask for him to parse next time he's in a party and you'll see things a DRK/NIN never can do.

[Coren]

Out of complete curiosity, has any gungnir been completed by anybody that speaks english? I'm curious whether it makes drg suck less (as the other guy said, a big thing holding drg back is craptastic weapons and shitass WS).

There's one on Siren but it's JP, I'm sure no NA would actually do it simply because of this website >_>

I have read some information on it and it does appear to be awesometastic as far as polearms go...but yeah. I agree with Locke's test earlier, if it's at least the best weapon the job can equip then I'm ok with it. Gugnir is definately that even with lolshockspikes (if anyone says I'm wrong then loldrg @you)

If I had the means (which I don't), I'd pick that over the kikoku or claustrum. It's not really feasible to start upgrading now, however, even aside from the fact that my ls is putting all currency toward a shield anyway. I'm curious what kind of dmg output Gierskogul is; nothing better than burning 700mil to do the same shitass dmg that skewer/wheeling/impulse already do.

[UNCTGTG]

15,000/ currency per month from ls.

What LS do you go with that gets 15,000 currency a Month. Wow everyone got TH29547320284292394 x 28476289247302928493

And I have better chance of getting my scythe then Ridill. And I like my A+ weapon vs. C- or whatever sword is.

And to my knowledge relics cost 17800-18300 single pieces. not 15,000. Lol

[Ichthyos]

15,000/ currency per month from ls.

What LS do you go with that gets 15,000 currency a Month. Wow everyone got TH29547320284292394 x 28476289247302928493

And I have better chance of getting my scythe then Ridill. And I like my A+ weapon vs. C- or whatever sword is.

And to my knowledge relics cost 17800-18300 single pieces. not 15,000. Lol

The slash is meant to indicate division, so divide 15k by the number of currency per month your LS gets.

And yeah, relics cost around 18k but you get a 3k refund at the end so people often borrow this refund from other relic upgraders.

[epigram]

Try mathematics.

[UNCTGTG]

And yeah, relics cost around 18k but you get a 3k refund at the end so people often borrow this refund from other relic upgraders.

No duh but for those dreamers out there, better keep it at 18k so they don't get confused, but I can't do math. 1 + 1 = 3829473920

[epigram]

How is that no duh, you just had a hissy fit over what I stated.

[UNCTGTG]

Oppps forgot to cut and past only second section of post... Oh well.

[Sixtail]

SMN has very good reason to melee particularly in solo (and u can also get away with it in ToUA exp parties since the mobs are horribly wussy, and yes i've done it). BLM -NEVER- melee, not even on Too Weak. SMN can kill solo pretty fast with a higher dmg weapon (such as Kirin's Pole if you arent upgrading relic) when using fenrir and doing SATA spirit taker. Only noobs and lesser whimps carby kite mobs they could kill 4x faster by using fenrir and meleeing. In other words, SMN has far more use for this than BLM. Only bahamut's pole can compete with this weapon on SMN. (and id take the claustrum just because itt'd be way more fun)

Do note that if Fenrir misses E.bite. (And he does even with capped merits in ACC), that WS is very likely to pull said mob on you and if it's stronger then EM or DC, your going to be kissing floor. While this staff is way better for SMN, the lack of -perp sucks -ass- and basicly makes the 800 million/1 billion gil investment something for those who pretty much have nothing else better to do. Don't forget that in the 8 months to a year of working for said staff, SE may very well release -perp stuff that would give you free Fenrir outright or other avatars.

I'd rather take a B.Staff and invest in other jobs/things, because as more relics are finished, the pool to upgrade relics is only going to get even MORE crowded and thus skyrocketing prices make any e-penis factor for a highly solo olny weapon hardly worth it. (Come on now, you telling me your LS is gonna let you melee Wyrms/Sea shit/Kings just so you can Spirit Taker? lawl)

[Xerlic]

Titan's actually a little backwards when it comes to Dynamis. The Dynamis community is pretty fragmented--there are many small shells that only do city rotations, and there's only one NA Dynamis shell that has beaten DL (and one HNM LS that beat him 2-3 times this year). There are only a couple of shadow items on NA's, and plenty of people who have been doing Dynamis once a week since mid 2004 without having full relic set yet just because of bad luck on a certain piece.

We only beat Dynamis Lord once. Apparently, beating DL one time for the title and getting 1 Shadow Mantle is enough reason for people to not want to go to Dynamis-Xarcabard for whatever reason. Oh well.

To all the people who say that the staff sucks - Yes, this is obvious. Obviously, anything that has -perp will have more practical use than this staff for SMN. Even something outdated like Astral Signa is better for anything that is above farming < EM mobs.

Vipey set a goal for herself a long time ago. We're talking near when Dynamis was first implemented and upgrading a relic was just a dream. And she stuck with it. Like Ichthyos said, Vipey isn't in an HNM. She's never killed any HNM above Fafnir, which was almost 2 years ago. She comes from a linkshell that is all about having fun in the game, and isn't overly concerned with having the best possible gear and stats, which is a common attitude among people in HNMLS (myself included).

[BlackSkye]

I haven't really tried /NIN and Axes/Sword on DRK yet cuase I just got it to 75 a week or 2 ago, and everyone wants me to go MNK to exp pts so...

Anyways, I would think Apocalypse would outparse DRK with Ridill/Axe just because those skills cap at 240, yeah? Thats a lot of acc your losing so I think it would even out. I beleive I read Catastrophes Haste effect stacks on top of Haste as well, though it would still get capped at 50%. mm around 250 delay scythe swings would be fun though. I know 22% Haste gear in equip, Advancing March and Haste hit you at 50% regardless though ;/ DRK can get around 18-20% haste in gear anyways tho, maybe 22% with speed belt D: Prob end up bieng better to use Guillotine in that case tho D:

But yeah >.> /WAR sub would = death for Apoc users, same as MNKs -.-; I know you can DRK/WAR with stuff like Orich scythe because you can just hold off until someone else WSs (WAR or MNK) and then go. But with Apoc getting triple hits off for 600-1000 damge... might not work so well.



Grats on the staff though :O

[Xrave]

Drk/Nin with a scythe (even a Tredecim) would outparse a Drk/Nin dual wielding a Ridill.

A B- weapon and sushi doesn't compare with the A+ option when using meat.

[RKenshin]

6 pages since I last looked at this thread just last night...

First, a few people mentioned something like Kaiten > Kaitan (light) > Kaitan (light). I'm not 100% sure and the person I'd ask (that owns a final stage relic) isn't currently online, but I think I remember being told that if you use the Relic WS in both parts of the first SC then making a second light off of it with the same WS doesn't work. Or something along those lines... I'll probably ask later and check. But I know for certain that you can only do two lights in a row, and only do two darks in a row.

Also, wanted to say I told you so to the non-believers about SA WS not going through Utsesumi shadows.

[Ichthyos]

First, a few people mentioned something like Kaiten > Kaitan (light) > Kaitan (light). I'm not 100% sure and the person I'd ask (that owns a final stage relic) isn't currently online, but I think I remember being told that if you use the Relic WS in both parts of the first SC then making a second light off of it with the same WS doesn't work. Or something along those lines... I'll probably ask later and check. But I know for certain that you can only do two lights in a row, and only do two darks in a row.

Map did some testing with Kaiten in Dynamis last night and his results seem to be consistent with that statement.

Kaiten -> Kasha (Light) -> Kaiten (Light)
Kasha -> Final Heaven (Light) -> Kaiten (Light) [edit: probably wrong, see below]
Kaiten -> Final Heaven (Light) -> Kaiten did not produce a second Light.

Also, wanted to say I told you so to the non-believers about SA WS not going through Utsesumi shadows.

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[chiz]

Drk/Nin with a scythe (even a Tredecim) would outparse a Drk/Nin dual wielding a Ridill.

A B- weapon and sushi doesn't compare with the A+ option when using meat.

That's not entirely true. On an HNM with 50-100k HPs sure, you're going to parse better with Scythe, but in a burn situation with 2-3 other DDs that build 100TP in 15s on mobs that have a finite 4500 or so HPs, you're going to get outparsed badly. Why? You simply won't TP fast enough to WS once per mob with a Scythe.

DRK/NIN is better off using Sword/Ridill anyways, since you can get +12 skill from items relatively easily. Add on a few sword merits (if you have a Ridill, you should have some sword merits) and you're easily approaching B+/A- skill.

That being said, I'd use Relic Scythe over Sword/Ridill simply bc the DoT from the massive crits alone would keep you right up there on the parser.

[aurik]

First, a few people mentioned something like Kaiten > Kaitan (light) > Kaitan (light). I'm not 100% sure and the person I'd ask (that owns a final stage relic) isn't currently online, but I think I remember being told that if you use the Relic WS in both parts of the first SC then making a second light off of it with the same WS doesn't work. Or something along those lines... I'll probably ask later and check. But I know for certain that you can only do two lights in a row, and only do two darks in a row.

Map did some testing with Kaiten in Dynamis last night and his results seem to be consistent with that statement.

Kaiten -> Kasha (Light) -> Kaiten (Light)
Kasha -> Final Heaven (Light) -> Kaiten (Light)
Kaiten -> Final Heaven (Light) -> Kaiten did not produce a second Light.

Also, wanted to say I told you so to the non-believers about SA WS not going through Utsesumi shadows.

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Wait, why does kasha (fusion) -> FH (fusion/light) make light? Asuran (gravitation) -> MS (gravitation/darkness) doesn't make anything.

[chiz]

Wait, why does kasha (fusion) -> FH (fusion/light) make light? Asuran (gravitation) -> MS (gravitation/darkness) doesn't make anything.

I think its that 2nd L3 SC property that relics seem to carry. For instance I was told Kasha > Namas = Light and they're both Fusion. Also Namas can open Darkness as a Fusion WS closed by a non-relic Distortion WS. But ya someone with Relic Bow tested on SAM and debunked the theory that you could continue Light 3x on SAM with Yoichinoyumi with 2 hour + Icarus wing.

[aurik]

Wait, why does kasha (fusion) -> FH (fusion/light) make light? Asuran (gravitation) -> MS (gravitation/darkness) doesn't make anything.

I think its that 2nd L3 SC property that relics seem to carry. For instance I was told Kasha > Namas = Light and they're both Fusion. Also Namas can open Darkness as a Fusion WS closed by a non-relic Distortion WS. But ya someone with Relic Bow tested on SAM and debunked the theory that you could continue Light 3x on SAM with Yoichinoyumi with 2 hour + Icarus wing.

Doesn't explain why Asuran->MS makes nothing.

[Ichthyos]

Wait, why does kasha (fusion) -> FH (fusion/light) make light? Asuran (gravitation) -> MS (gravitation/darkness) doesn't make anything.

Hmm, you're right. I took a screenshot of the conversation though, because I wanted to save relic SC info. Maybe Map misspoke and meant Gekko > FH (Fusion) > Kaiten (Light).

[balthy]

I was just talking to drk with apo and in a mnk pt in mire he did 35-36% of the total dmg, 3mnk drk brd healer i think, plus he said 46 tp back after using cato and the swings