Adjustments to Beseiged - 7/10/2006

[inafume]

I've been spamming Dia to skillup enfeebling on my BLM.

But there isn't much to the BLM job that is all that useful in Besieged anyway, after they nerfed elemental damage too much. About the only spell that works is Stun, but do that enough and the monsters will come gunning for you even with 30 people banging on it. At which point BLMs turn into shitty healers with large MP pools but the limitation of being able to heal only ~200 HP at a shot.

At least with THF I can do some damage (lolthf). Especially on Qutrubs.

[BRP]

Just with DoT, Cure, and Stun you have your hands full, what are you talking about?

[DeadLegend]

I do notice as pld a lot of cures that fly my way come from black mages who really don't have anything better to do, and lucky for them I actually try to tank besieged mobs (unlike most tanks I see) so they don't get eaten 2 seconds after their cure3 spam. I have never once played a besieged as blm after I realized I'd be completely useless besides cure spells. As pld, I can go ahead and take 2 mobs off that dumbass melee blm general and save teh day D: !!!

[Solefald]

This popularity leads to certain victory with little need for strategy on almost every World, as hundreds of players unite to repel the beastman hordes. With the gradual adjustments that have been implemented, it is now possible to witness the furious battle unfolding within Al Zahbi. However, many players have voiced their desire to participate in a more strategy-based Besieged.
With this aim in mind, the following adjustments are planned for the upcoming version update.

Who the fuck are these "many players" and how can I get them to voice their desire to ban China from this fucking game?

[Jeryhn]

This popularity leads to certain victory with little need for strategy on almost every World, as hundreds of players unite to repel the beastman hordes. With the gradual adjustments that have been implemented, it is now possible to witness the furious battle unfolding within Al Zahbi. However, many players have voiced their desire to participate in a more strategy-based Besieged.
With this aim in mind, the following adjustments are planned for the upcoming version update.

Who the fuck are these "many players" and how can I get them to voice their desire to ban China from this fucking game?

Convince them to stop buying gil.

[Khamsin]

This popularity leads to certain victory with little need for strategy on almost every World, as hundreds of players unite to repel the beastman hordes. With the gradual adjustments that have been implemented, it is now possible to witness the furious battle unfolding within Al Zahbi. However, many players have voiced their desire to participate in a more strategy-based Besieged.
With this aim in mind, the following adjustments are planned for the upcoming version update.

Who the fuck are these "many players" and how can I get them to voice their desire to ban China from this fucking game?

Convince them to stop buying gil.

It'd be easier just to shut down the gil supply so the demand becomes moot. I'd rather have a thousand people willing to pay $100 for 1 mil gil and yet unable to purchase because the gilsellers are all gone, than a hundred gilfarmers/sellers screwing people over in-game and offering 1 mil gil for $1 on their website and yet unable to sell because no one is buying gil.

[Dustybrown]

whine whine /cry /cry it will be too hard now!

Most of you guys remind me of all those asshole who said the world was flat and it wasn't round, and didn't care to explore it because you were to scared you would fall off the end of the world

I think we have a right to "cry" and "whine" about these changes when SE are, once again, showing that they are complete retards when it comes to implementing changes the players actually want. Yes, these strategic battles might actually be a good change and improve gaming experience and it's a good idea. But first off SE should be addressing the actual problems with Besieged as it stands, rather than adding a bunch of new (and probably bugged) content. Fix the big problem, ie the lag, then go on to develop a very successful part of the game. I have no problem with change and advancement and I welcome SE's insights. However this update basically screams of "Hey players, you said you wanted less lag. Well, instead you can have more strategic battles, how's that?" Once again SE are by-passing the real issue and giving us something else in a hope we don't notice the fact they've completely ignored the original problem. It's the same tactic they employ with gilsellers - instead of admitting there is a problem with gilsellers and trying to do something about it, they say "oh, it's not a crime to camp Ulli 24/7, some people just have more time to play" or change how/when/why Novv pops. If anyone can actually tell me how "changing" the Novv pop has helped legit players get a Minstrel's Coat I will give you a whole batch of cookies.

SE have limited the number of people in Besieged to 700 because it's so damn popular. I've been kicked out many times. This seems to suggest there isn't anything actually wrong with Besieged as it stands. If there was, people would not go. Zone into Sea these days and more often than not you will be the only person there. That will never happen with Besieged because Besieged works. It doesn't really need "improving", not yet anyway, but what it does need is adjusting so it is more enjoyable on the whole - and that means easing the lag, not making it worse or more difficult to participate.

The great thing about curing is that a Cure 3 from a level 40 is almost the same as a Cure 3 from a level 75 WHM. (Minus the light staff of course.)

Although I do understand what you're getting at, the next time I see a lvl 40 WHM casting a 238 Cure III I am going to /wrist. It might not seem like much, but 5 lvl 40 WHM's doing, lets be generous, 185 Cure III just won't be as effective as 5 lvl 75 WHM's doing 230+ Cure III's. And it's because these lvl 40 WHM's are in Besieged that the lvl 75 WHM is stood in Whitegate unable to zone into Al Zahbi. In the grand scheme of things you would always rather have the lvl 75s, which is why people bitch about there been 100-200 lvl 40's in there, hogging all the places.

Who the fuck are these "many players" and how can I get them to voice their desire to ban China from this fucking game?

They are the same people who demanded the introduction of the Fish Ranking system, I think.

[Devek]

I don't see the problem with 700 people in beseiged..

AFAIK no server has ever lost with 700 people.

If I see 700 people there I don't bother.

Its when there are 200 people that things get really stupid and hard..

Different servers are different.. but on Remora no one even cares about Beseiged anymore. The flipside is there is never any lag =)

[shihei]

Only ever seen besieged hit 650+ one time during jp prime on weekend, not being able to get into a besieged on bahamut is not an issue. I think it is since the new-ness of it has passed...

I bet besieged changes will freaking own and you will all feel silly

[aurik]

The great thing about curing is that a Cure 3 from a level 40 is almost the same as a Cure 3 from a level 75 WHM. (Minus the light staff of course.)

Although I do understand what you're getting at, the next time I see a lvl 40 WHM casting a 238 Cure III I am going to /wrist. It might not seem like much, but 5 lvl 40 WHM's doing, lets be generous, 185 Cure III just won't be as effective as 5 lvl 75 WHM's doing 230+ Cure III's. And it's because these lvl 40 WHM's are in Besieged that the lvl 75 WHM is stood in Whitegate unable to zone into Al Zahbi. In the grand scheme of things you would always rather have the lvl 75s, which is why people bitch about there been 100-200 lvl 40's in there, hogging all the places.

Protip: stop being fucking late to besieged.

[shihei]

The great thing about curing is that a Cure 3 from a level 40 is almost the same as a Cure 3 from a level 75 WHM. (Minus the light staff of course.)

Although I do understand what you're getting at, the next time I see a lvl 40 WHM casting a 238 Cure III I am going to /wrist. It might not seem like much, but 5 lvl 40 WHM's doing, lets be generous, 185 Cure III just won't be as effective as 5 lvl 75 WHM's doing 230+ Cure III's. And it's because these lvl 40 WHM's are in Besieged that the lvl 75 WHM is stood in Whitegate unable to zone into Al Zahbi. In the grand scheme of things you would always rather have the lvl 75s, which is why people bitch about there been 100-200 lvl 40's in there, hogging all the places.

Protip: stop being fucking late to besieged.

WP to Atamos plzzzz

[Fhqwghads]

God, do I have to think of EVERYTHING, SE? During Besieged, get rid of all those silly modern-day fan-dangled 3D meshes, and replace everything with a good old fashioned 4 vertex quad billboard. That fixes everything. Here, I'll even help you out. I made a Mamool-Ja Savage free of charge to get you started.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1945/mamool6ln.jpg

I guarantee zero lag with hundreds of these guys floating around Al Zhabi.

[Angelsin]

God, do I have to think of EVERYTHING, SE? During Besieged, get rid of all those silly modern-day fan-dangled 3D meshes, and replace everything with a good old fashioned 4 vertex quad billboard. That fixes everything. Here, I'll even help you out. I made a Mamool-Ja Savage free of charge to get you started.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1945/mamool6ln.jpg

I guarantee zero lag with hundreds of these guys floating around Al Zhabi.

I can't see them when they are sideways ; ;

[Fhqwghads]

They're billboards, they can just use a transform on the client side to ensure they're always rotated toward you (think old-school Doom style mobs.)

[Devek]

They don't transform them.. they just put them on in 2d and zoom them based off how far away they are.. very 1986 suff

[Priran]

They're billboards, they can just use a transform on the client side to ensure they're always rotated toward you (think 50% of FFXI animations)

fixed

[Dustybrown]

The great thing about curing is that a Cure 3 from a level 40 is almost the same as a Cure 3 from a level 75 WHM. (Minus the light staff of course.)

Although I do understand what you're getting at, the next time I see a lvl 40 WHM casting a 238 Cure III I am going to /wrist. It might not seem like much, but 5 lvl 40 WHM's doing, lets be generous, 185 Cure III just won't be as effective as 5 lvl 75 WHM's doing 230+ Cure III's. And it's because these lvl 40 WHM's are in Besieged that the lvl 75 WHM is stood in Whitegate unable to zone into Al Zahbi. In the grand scheme of things you would always rather have the lvl 75s, which is why people bitch about there been 100-200 lvl 40's in there, hogging all the places.

Protip: stop being fucking late to besieged.

It has nothing to do with being early or late... once POL crashes 5 minutes into the battle and you re-log back in and are instantly booted to Whitegate even though you were stood around in Al Zahbi waiting for 45 minutes before the battle even started, there's nothing much you can do.

Oh, Edit: Don't start sounding like SE. It's nothing to do with my computer either, my computer is brand new and I'm confident this is a "bug" and nothing to do with my machine, like SE keep implying.

[aurik]

The great thing about curing is that a Cure 3 from a level 40 is almost the same as a Cure 3 from a level 75 WHM. (Minus the light staff of course.)

Although I do understand what you're getting at, the next time I see a lvl 40 WHM casting a 238 Cure III I am going to /wrist. It might not seem like much, but 5 lvl 40 WHM's doing, lets be generous, 185 Cure III just won't be as effective as 5 lvl 75 WHM's doing 230+ Cure III's. And it's because these lvl 40 WHM's are in Besieged that the lvl 75 WHM is stood in Whitegate unable to zone into Al Zahbi. In the grand scheme of things you would always rather have the lvl 75s, which is why people bitch about there been 100-200 lvl 40's in there, hogging all the places.

Protip: stop being fucking late to besieged.

It has nothing to do with being early or late... once POL crashes 5 minutes into the battle and you re-log back in and are instantly booted to Whitegate even though you were stood around in Al Zahbi waiting for 45 minutes before the battle even started, there's nothing much you can do.

Oh, Edit: Don't start sounding like SE. It's nothing to do with my computer either, my computer is brand new and I'm confident this is a "bug" and nothing to do with my machine, like SE keep implying.

Level 50s who show up early for a guaranteed spot crash and can't get back in either. Stop thinking you "deserve it more" just because you are 75.

[Dustybrown]

The great thing about curing is that a Cure 3 from a level 40 is almost the same as a Cure 3 from a level 75 WHM. (Minus the light staff of course.)

Although I do understand what you're getting at, the next time I see a lvl 40 WHM casting a 238 Cure III I am going to /wrist. It might not seem like much, but 5 lvl 40 WHM's doing, lets be generous, 185 Cure III just won't be as effective as 5 lvl 75 WHM's doing 230+ Cure III's. And it's because these lvl 40 WHM's are in Besieged that the lvl 75 WHM is stood in Whitegate unable to zone into Al Zahbi. In the grand scheme of things you would always rather have the lvl 75s, which is why people bitch about there been 100-200 lvl 40's in there, hogging all the places.

Protip: stop being fucking late to besieged.

It has nothing to do with being early or late... once POL crashes 5 minutes into the battle and you re-log back in and are instantly booted to Whitegate even though you were stood around in Al Zahbi waiting for 45 minutes before the battle even started, there's nothing much you can do.

Oh, Edit: Don't start sounding like SE. It's nothing to do with my computer either, my computer is brand new and I'm confident this is a "bug" and nothing to do with my machine, like SE keep implying.

Level 50s who show up early for a guaranteed spot crash and can't get back in either. Stop thinking you "deserve it more" just because you are 75.

I've got absolutely no problem with anyone 50+ being in Besieged. As someone said on this board a while back, it seems like SE specifically designed the content of TOA to be for 50-75's. If you look at Assault, the minimum suggestion for a group is lvl 50. If a lvl 50 wants to go in and take my spot, that's fine. If anyone lower than that wants to take my spot (ie: lvl 40) then yeah I have a problem. It's not that hard to get a job to lvl 50+ these days.

[aurik]

[quote=Dustybrown]

The great thing about curing is that a Cure 3 from a level 40 is almost the same as a Cure 3 from a level 75 WHM. (Minus the light staff of course.)

Although I do understand what you're getting at, the next time I see a lvl 40 WHM casting a 238 Cure III I am going to /wrist. It might not seem like much, but 5 lvl 40 WHM's doing, lets be generous, 185 Cure III just won't be as effective as 5 lvl 75 WHM's doing 230+ Cure III's. And it's because these lvl 40 WHM's are in Besieged that the lvl 75 WHM is stood in Whitegate unable to zone into Al Zahbi. In the grand scheme of things you would always rather have the lvl 75s, which is why people bitch about there been 100-200 lvl 40's in there, hogging all the places.

Protip: stop being fucking late to besieged.

It has nothing to do with being early or late... once POL crashes 5 minutes into the battle and you re-log back in and are instantly booted to Whitegate even though you were stood around in Al Zahbi waiting for 45 minutes before the battle even started, there's nothing much you can do.

Oh, Edit: Don't start sounding like SE. It's nothing to do with my computer either, my computer is brand new and I'm confident this is a "bug" and nothing to do with my machine, like SE keep implying.

Level 50s who show up early for a guaranteed spot crash and can't get back in either. Stop thinking you "deserve it more" just because you are 75.

I've got absolutely no problem with anyone 50+ being in Besieged. As someone said on this board a while back, it seems like SE specifically designed the content of TOA to be for 50-75's. If you look at Assault, the minimum suggestion for a group is lvl 50. If a lvl 50 wants to go in and take my spot, that's fine. If anyone lower than that wants to take my spot (ie: lvl 40) then yeah I have a problem. It's not that hard to get a job to lvl 50+ these days.[/quote:752ca]

Fine, insert level 20. Whatever. There's no level minimum, everyone has the same problem with crashing be they level 20 or level 80. Stop whining and feeling entitled just because you've wasted more of your life staring at the screen.