Israel/Lebanon conflict

[Iku]

After Word War II, Allied rescued 1 million + Jews from concentration camp. The Jews requested to live near Jerusalem for some religious reason. Allied was ok with that so they told 1 million North Palestinian to move out of their home to make Isareal.

They used force to kick 1 millions Palestinian out of their home.




How would you feel if you own a house and suddenly someone comes and tell you to leave so they can live there?

That is how the Palestinian feels.


How would you feel if you survived the holocaust and finally found a place you can call home?

That is how the Isareals feels.




It is more complicated than you think.

[Groovebox]

After Word War II, Allied rescued 1 million + Jews from concentration camp. The Jews requested to live near Jerusalem for some religious reason. Allied was ok with that so they told 1 million North Palestinian to move out of their home to make Isareal.

They used force to kick 1 millions Palestinian out of their home.

Totally wrong.

Israel used to be the Britsh territory known as Palestine in the 40's. There was already conflict between the Jews and Arabs there. So the fucking lame ass pathetic UN got involved and screwed it up, probably because they didn't let any of the big countries in on the committee that made these decisions. So yeah, the US and the other great powers had absolutely no say in the matter.

[Ksandra]

Just to back up a little, I hope people don't still believe Pearl Harbor was a surprise. US had gottan ahold of plenty messages that japan was going to make a move there. Why didn't the US do anything? There are many theories. One being the US wanted a reason to attack Japan to finish the war. Or maybe it was like 9/11 where someone from the FBI sent them a whole document about and no one felt the need to read it.....(seriously why the HELL is C. Rice still in office after admitting that, why the hell don't people ever remember that either....)

On a side note the whole world should institute some form of a weregild when this type of shit happens. For those who don't know that was what the norse did to stop never-ending feuds from happening. Doubt it would actually work in this day in age but norse never had generations of a feud. D:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild

[Iku]

After Word War II, Allied rescued 1 million + Jews from concentration camp. The Jews requested to live near Jerusalem for some religious reason. Allied was ok with that so they told 1 million North Palestinian to move out of their home to make Isareal.

They used force to kick 1 millions Palestinian out of their home.

Totally wrong.

Israel used to be the Britsh territory known as Palestine in the 40's. There was already conflict between the Jews and Arabs there. So the fucking lame ass pathetic UN got involved and screwed it up, probably because they didn't let any of the big countries in on the committee that made these decisions. So yeah, the US and the other great powers had absolutely no say in the matter.

You need to go back to World History Class.

[Raivyn]

Was that in reference to yourself? Because then I would agree.

[Norelco]

Seriously, Wikipedia is your friend.

[Raivyn]

Seriously, Wikipedia is your friend.

Word. I wish more people would do even minimal research before trying to debate.

[shihei]

Just to back up a little, I hope people don't still believe Pearl Harbor was a surprise. US had gottan ahold of plenty messages that japan was going to make a move there. Why didn't the US do anything? There are many theories. One being the US wanted a reason to attack Japan to finish the war. Or maybe it was like 9/11 where someone from the FBI sent them a whole document about and no one felt the need to read it.....(seriously why the HELL is C. Rice still in office after admitting that, why the hell don't people ever remember that either....)

On a side note the whole world should institute some form of a weregild when this type of shit happens. For those who don't know that was what the norse did to stop never-ending feuds from happening. Doubt it would actually work in this day in age but norse never had generations of a feud. D:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild

US was alot different back then, technology was too. There wasn't any Pre-emptive Strike thing where if US knew you were going to attack, they'd attack first, 'twas more diplomatic. Seriously if you think flying hundreds of fighter planes 10 feet over the water so radar could not pick them up is not a suprise attack, then you must not be well informed.
There wasn't a war untill they bombed pearl harbor so letting them bomb pearl harbor to let themselves "finish a war " is the stupidest shit i have heard. fyi Right after pearl harbor was bombed, then japan declared war.

And on the 9-11 thing... Yes Clintons administration knew there was an al-qaida, knew they wanted to target america, but didn't know stuff like When,Where,How and he failed to inform the public and maybe even branches of gov't.

[Raivyn]

Oh don't even bother - she's obviously horribly disillusioned already. She even missed the logic; why would a country making billions selling arms to both sides in a war, getting fat fat fat off the profits even bother to get involved? Where was the motive? I guess everyone in government was drunk and high that day and they decided to just let shit happen for fun.

[blud]

I really do think it is amazing Israel hasn't nuked the middle east. If they every say fuck it everyone that has every made a Jew crack is going to have an atomic bomb show up on their door step.

Yea this would be a great idea, Jewz love teh radioactive fallout.

[djzombie]

At the end of the day, none of this shit really matters.

You've been dieing since the minute you were born. It's just a matter of circumstances really.

Personally, I feel that we(humans) are the worst virus, disease, or plague that this planet has ever seen. We(the worst of us) devour everything, have no problem killing any other living creature, but our own lives are somehow deemed as sacred.

If everything that's ever lived has died, and everything alive is going to die, wheres the sanctity?

[Norelco]

At the end of the day, none of this shit really matters.

You've been dieing since the minute you were born. It's just a matter of circumstances really.

Personally, I feel that we(humans) are the worst virus, disease, or plague that this planet has ever seen. We(the worst of us) devour everything, have no problem killing any other living creature, but our own lives are somehow deemed as sacred.

If everything that's ever lived has died, and everything alive is going to die, wheres the sanctity?

LOL, how incredibly /emo of you. If we're such an infectious disease, perhaps you wouldn't mind eradicating yourself?

[Krandor]

At the end of the day, none of this shit really matters.

You've been dieing since the minute you were born. It's just a matter of circumstances really.

Personally, I feel that we(humans) are the worst virus, disease, or plague that this planet has ever seen. We(the worst of us) devour everything, have no problem killing any other living creature, but our own lives are somehow deemed as sacred.

If everything that's ever lived has died, and everything alive is going to die, wheres the sanctity?

You good sir, are retarded.

[djzombie]

LMAO, somehow I knew that was coming.

I'm not emo. Not at all. I'm a realist.

Let's think about it really though. How much does the conflict between whoever the fuck is fighting in the middle east, effect the average person(people not living there, with no ties to the area) on a daily basis.

Is it going to effect you when you get up in the morning? Go to work? Eat lunch? Go to bed? Is it going to effect you when you do anything at all?

No.

The only time it's going to effect you is if nukes are brought into the picture. And I say fuck it. Bring on the nukes.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change, my friend.

edit: I'm not retarded, you just don't understand my views. I'm actually a rather intelligent person. But if you take everything at face value, I guess you would read my post as "retarded"

edit2: Honestly I think what the real problem is, we've grown too comfortable on the top of the food chain. We no longer have any natural predators. And because we've no natural predators to fear, we fear each other. And because we've no natural predators to thin out our numbers, we thin out our own numbers. Nature is supposed to be about balance, we're supposed to have something that we fear to be eaten by.

[shihei]

LMAO, somehow I knew that was coming.

I'm not emo. Not at all. I'm a realist.

Let's think about it really though. How much does the conflict between whoever the fuck is fighting in the middle east, effect the average person(people not living there, with no ties to the area) on a daily basis.

Is it going to effect you when you get up in the morning? Go to work? Eat lunch? Go to bed? Is it going to effect you when you do anything at all?

No.

The only time it's going to effect you is if nukes are brought into the picture. And I say fuck it. Bring on the nukes.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change, my friend.

edit: I'm not retarded, you just don't understand my views. I'm actually a rather intelligent person. But if you take everything at face value, I guess you would read my post as "retarded"

no
you just proved you do not know shit about the world
you think violence in some other country does not affect the whole world? you're wrong
if even only it atleast changes the way people think about things
know why this new war will affect me? If iran gets involved which they want to, probably already are, the US will get involved. I do not want to see my country be at war on 3 different fucking fronts.
Did you know US already wants to rekindle the draft? WW3 is becoming a real war every day and i guarantee you when it actually becomes a "world" war US will start drafting, other countries will as well

[Norelco]

LMAO, somehow I knew that was coming.

I'm not emo. Not at all. I'm a realist.

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Is it going to effect you when you get up in the morning?

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I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change, my friend.

Yes, it's going to affect all of us when we pay more for gas. At the start of this little flare up, gas prices went up again. The stockmarket also plunged 400 points this week. It's affecting many people.

Also, you are INCREDIBLY emo, especially trying to slip a Tool quote by us. You're such a pretentious asshole and I don't even know you. These aren't your views, you pick shit up from songs and call them your own.

To anyone else who wants a clue as to what I'm referring to: http://toolshed.down.net/lyrics/aenimalyrics.php

Scroll down to song 13 "Aenema" and you'll see how original djzombie's thoughts really are.

[djzombie]

you think violence in some other country does not affect the whole world? you're wrong

No, I think it affects the whole world, I don't think it affects you as in individual. Even moreso, I don't think you can affect it in anyway. If there's going to be WWIII, it's going to happen. Saying, "yeah man, war is retarded" on a gaming forum is accomplishing nothing.

if even only it atleast changes the way people think about things

I'll give you this, when you first heard about the concept of war, I bet it changed the way you thought about things. However, group a fighting group b... group c fighting group d.... theres nothing insightful there. It's all the same, and ends in the same result, regardless of what was gained; death.

know why this new war will affect me? If iran gets involved which they want to, probably already are, the US will get involved. I do not want to see my country be at war on 3 different fucking fronts.

So, this will affect you by having to view something that you don't want to see. Turn off the TV then. Big fucking deal. Think about the people that are out there fighting. I think it affects them a hell of alot more.

Did you know US already wants to rekindle the draft? WW3 is becoming a real war every day and i guarantee you when it actually becomes a "world" war US will start drafting, other countries will as well

So be it. Start up the draft. I can guarentee, there will be riots in the streets. Perhaps it will trigger the desparately needed revolution that we're long overdue for.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

[djzombie]

Yes, it's going to affect all of us when we pay more for gas.

Ride a bike.

Also, you are INCREDIBLY emo, especially trying to slip a Tool quote by us. You're such a pretentious asshole and I don't even know you. These aren't your views, you pick shit up from songs and call them your own.

I didn't try to slip anything by you. The quote was intentional. It was fitting. That's often what people do. Didn't think anyone take it as "zomg look at what the sneaky bastard tried to put in there."

You're a product of your enviornment. You're an algamation of all that you've come in contact with. To say otherwise is to say that you're oblivious your surroundings.

[Norelco]

If you're going to intentionally quote something for effect, put it in quotes and give credit to the band.

You're a product of the music you listen to and television you watch. Everything you're spouting in this thread is an idea that belongs to somebody else, someone whose ideas you ripped off and call your own.


DJZOMBIE =

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[Raivyn]

Holy shit I haven't seen someone miss the point of so many things in an individual post since I argued with Orchid on here like 4-5 months ago... Jesus Christ...