Israel/Lebanon conflict

[Slapper]

News says something about Hezbollah moving weapons with Syrias blessing or someshit. Also an Israeli ship was hit by some silkworm missle, which might have been provided by Iran so...

[Celeras]

Norelco, you mentioning this only proves the tight grip of the U.S. media on how they want americans to see the world, and how effective they are at it. Columbine? I'm Middle-eastern myself, Iranian to be exact, and I'm gonna go ahead and tell you how fucked up it is that in America, numerous instances of guns AT SCHOOL and killings AT SCHOOL have occurred. You guys are savages, honestly. Don't let me get on the subject of rape.

Lol, I like how you feel a handful of fucking psychos going on a killing rampage(and killing themselves) is worse then a culture that breeds teenagers with assault rifles as an everyday occurance.

Oh, and please, DO get on the subject of rape. Doesnt exist there huh? Oh wait, thats right, it some cases its not even against the fucking law because women are their mans property.

This asshat fucking wins the thread.

[Ksandra]

Just to back up a little, I hope people don't still believe Pearl Harbor was a surprise. US had gottan ahold of plenty messages that japan was going to make a move there. Why didn't the US do anything? There are many theories. One being the US wanted a reason to attack Japan to finish the war. Or maybe it was like 9/11 where someone from the FBI sent them a whole document about and no one felt the need to read it.....(seriously why the HELL is C. Rice still in office after admitting that, why the hell don't people ever remember that either....)

On a side note the whole world should institute some form of a weregild when this type of shit happens. For those who don't know that was what the norse did to stop never-ending feuds from happening. Doubt it would actually work in this day in age but norse never had generations of a feud. D:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild

US was alot different back then, technology was too. There wasn't any Pre-emptive Strike thing where if US knew you were going to attack, they'd attack first, 'twas more diplomatic. Seriously if you think flying hundreds of fighter planes 10 feet over the water so radar could not pick them up is not a suprise attack, then you must not be well informed.
There wasn't a war untill they bombed pearl harbor so letting them bomb pearl harbor to let themselves "finish a war " is the stupidest shit i have heard. fyi Right after pearl harbor was bombed, then japan declared war.

And on the 9-11 thing... Yes Clintons administration knew there was an al-qaida, knew they wanted to target america, but didn't know stuff like When,Where,How and he failed to inform the public and maybe even branches of gov't.

You need to read my words more carefully before jumping to conclusions.

1. I did not say pearl harbor wasn't designed as a surprised attack. I said it wasn't a surprise. They've already shown that they had decoded Japanese messages about the attack before it happened and did nothing. The US knew it was going to happen so it wasn't a surprise to us. The Japanese did not know that we knew so yes still ran it as a surprise attack.

2. The reason to enter the war I said was "one theory" I never said that's the reason nor did I even say that's the theory I believe. I don't even know why they didn't try to stop the Japanese. That's just the most common theory I've heard, so decided to type that one.

3. The Bush Administration also knew about the FBI's research. Again where in my post did it say that they knew how/where/when? You are once again jumping to conclusions. I was pissed that C.Rice admitted before court and for the whole country to see that they didn't even read the document giving them information on what the FBI had learn from the attack. I was also pissed that she didn't get kicked out of office. Seriously, when the FBI sends a document saying anything about a person about to launch an attack on America, you drop everything and read it.

Would that have stopped 9/11, who knows? (note: I'm not saying it would have so don't jump to conclusions again) If the Clinton or Bush administration actually payed attention to it, they might have sent a stronger force out to capture Bin Lauden. Things probably still would have gone as plans, but mehaps it would have increased our chances of stopping it.

[Vade]

Bombs just hit near the Lebanon/Syria border. Any closer and it would have been in Syria meaning all hell breaks loose.

http://today.reuters.com/news/home.aspx?refresh=true

[Tyr]

Norelco, you mentioning this only proves the tight grip of the U.S. media on how they want americans to see the world, and how effective they are at it. Columbine? I'm Middle-eastern myself, Iranian to be exact, and I'm gonna go ahead and tell you how fucked up it is that in America, numerous instances of guns AT SCHOOL and killings AT SCHOOL have occurred. You guys are savages, honestly. Don't let me get on the subject of rape.

Lol, I like how you feel a handful of fucking psychos going on a killing rampage(and killing themselves) is worse then a culture that breeds teenagers with assault rifles as an everyday occurance.

Oh, and please, DO get on the subject of rape. Doesnt exist there huh? Oh wait, thats right, it some cases its not even against the fucking law because women are their mans property.

This asshat fucking wins the thread.

Do you hear yourself talk? I thought the "handful of fucking psychos going on a killing rampage" was the perpetrators of the Columbine attacks, and not any "terrorists" -- do you see that its practically the same thing? I am firmly against war, and by extension, suicide bombing and the like -- but look at what the "psycho" is doing it for, the intention. Which is less psychotic: 1) [Stupidly] Thinking that you're "sacrificing" yourself for your country that is being taken away from you, or 2) People make fun of us at school / Noone gives us attention at school / Whatever the reasons+motives behind Columbine was.

And speaking of which, I'm confused as hell. Did you even read my post? Now that I'm re-reading yours, it seems as though you completely missed my point...I'm neither pro-suicide bombing / terrorist attacks, nor pro-school shootings (and the like) / terrorist attacks. But if you're going to argue that "the middle east" is fucked up for all their shootings and whatnot, well hey, you don't need to look that far to find instances of psychotic violence, you've got plenty here in the states.


And about rape, I love how you so maturely jumped to conclusions. When did I ever say no rape ever happens in the Middle East? It's a sad fact that rape happens worldwide.


Key Facts ( http://www.rainn.org )
-Every two and a half minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted.
-One in six American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape, and 10% of sexual assault victims are men.
-In 2003-2004, there were an average annual 204,370 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault.

The sheer number of rapes/year, or rapes/100k population, is ridiculous in the US, especially relative to ANY other nation. Frankly, 1 act of rape is one too many.

[shihei]

Just to back up a little, I hope people don't still believe Pearl Harbor was a surprise. US had gottan ahold of plenty messages that japan was going to make a move there. Why didn't the US do anything? There are many theories. One being the US wanted a reason to attack Japan to finish the war. Or maybe it was like 9/11 where someone from the FBI sent them a whole document about and no one felt the need to read it.....(seriously why the HELL is C. Rice still in office after admitting that, why the hell don't people ever remember that either....)

On a side note the whole world should institute some form of a weregild when this type of shit happens. For those who don't know that was what the norse did to stop never-ending feuds from happening. Doubt it would actually work in this day in age but norse never had generations of a feud. D:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild

US was alot different back then, technology was too. There wasn't any Pre-emptive Strike thing where if US knew you were going to attack, they'd attack first, 'twas more diplomatic. Seriously if you think flying hundreds of fighter planes 10 feet over the water so radar could not pick them up is not a suprise attack, then you must not be well informed.
There wasn't a war untill they bombed pearl harbor so letting them bomb pearl harbor to let themselves "finish a war " is the stupidest shit i have heard. fyi Right after pearl harbor was bombed, then japan declared war.

And on the 9-11 thing... Yes Clintons administration knew there was an al-qaida, knew they wanted to target america, but didn't know stuff like When,Where,How and he failed to inform the public and maybe even branches of gov't.

You need to read my words more carefully before jumping to conclusions.

1. I did not say pearl harbor wasn't designed as a surprised attack. I said it wasn't a surprise. They've already shown that they had decoded Japanese messages about the attack before it happened and did nothing. The US knew it was going to happen so it wasn't a surprise to us. The Japanese did not know that we knew so yes still ran it as a surprise attack.

2. The reason to enter the war I said was "one theory" I never said that's the reason nor did I even say that's the theory I believe. I don't even know why they didn't try to stop the Japanese. That's just the most common theory I've heard, so decided to type that one.

3. The Bush Administration also knew about the FBI's research. Again where in my post did it say that they knew how/where/when? You are once again jumping to conclusions. I was pissed that C.Rice admitted before court and for the whole country to see that they didn't even read the document giving them information on what the FBI had learn from the attack. I was also pissed that she didn't get kicked out of office. Seriously, when the FBI sends a document saying anything about a person about to launch an attack on America, you drop everything and read it.

Would that have stopped 9/11, who knows? (note: I'm not saying it would have so don't jump to conclusions again) If the Clinton or Bush administration actually payed attention to it, they might have sent a stronger force out to capture Bin Lauden. Things probably still would have gone as plans, but mehaps it would have increased our chances of stopping it.

1.Yes, exactly the US KNEW pearl harbor was going to be bombed and they didn't bother telling the thousands of civilians or hell even the armed service people cause they just didn't give a fuck about thier own people.Brilliant

2.Theories are for fucking science. When your dealing with history, facts only plz.( I have a theory that isreal/lebanon conflict is all about the chinese-canadians firing missles at them from Toronto)

3.Yes they most certainly knew since itwas a past administrations information, but they didn't tell the public, which they should have. Yet if you look at it from another view you tell the public terrorists are planning to target America, maybe, one of these days. Then you got hundreds of thousands of people worrying about it, lashing out at foreign looking people etc.

If your going to try and say that isn't what you said, use the edit button, not the quote button

[Ksandra]

1.Yes, exactly the US KNEW pearl harbor was going to be bombed and they didn't bother telling the thousands of civilians or hell even the armed service people cause they just didn't give a fuck about thier own people.Brilliant

2.Theories are for fucking science. When your dealing with history, facts only plz.( I have a theory that isreal/lebanon conflict is all about the chinese-canadians firing missles at them from Toronto)

3.Yes they most certainly knew since itwas a past administrations information, but they didn't tell the public, which they should have. Yet if you look at it from another view you tell the public terrorists are planning to target America, maybe, one of these days. Then you got hundreds of thousands of people worrying about it, lashing out at foreign looking people etc.

If your going to try and say that isn't what you said, use the edit button, not the quote button

1. again you're trying to say we didn't know when we had proof. Just throwing back sarcasmsays you don't know the answer either.

2. did you even read this part? Show me the facts that the US didn't know.

3. Again did you even read this post? Where did I say they should have told the public? That's a bad tatic letting someone know you're after them. They didn't read the document.

4. Why would I edit my posts when it's not me mistyping it's just you not reading it? Everything I said I already stated in my first post, you just seem to not want to read it >.>;

[Raivyn]

Ksandra; you're confusing the inefficiency of Beauracracy with the inefficiency of individuals. You have no idea how many tragedies are averted daily when no mistakes are made. Generally it is when mistakes are made that shit hits the fan.

You also confuse mistakes with ineptitude. There is a clear line between someone who fucks up all the time and someone who fucks up once.

But regardless of all this you are entering a theoretical argument which requires details to even hold a stance - all without details.

2. The reason to enter the war I said was "one theory" I never said that's the reason nor did I even say that's the theory I believe. I don't even know why they didn't try to stop the Japanese. That's just the most common theory I've heard, so decided to type that one.

So if it's only a theory, you don't believe it, you heard of it somewhere, and you don't know any details, and there was no clear motive, why are you commenting on it as if you know what's going on? For all you know the memo was given to Joe Blow to transfer to command, and he ran into a pretty girl and decided to blow off his assignment. Left it on a desk somewhere. You're commenting on a situation with a high amount of variables as if you know exactly what happened, which is foolhardy.

[Raivyn]

But hey, all that aside; why are we talking about Pearl Harbor, 9/11, and the Bush Administration as if it has anything to do with Israel, Lebanon, Iran, and Syria?

[Tyche]

But hey, all that aside; why are we talking about Pearl Harbor, 9/11, and the Bush Administration as if it has anything to do with Israel, Lebanon, Iran, and Syria?

Dude, didnt you get the memo...if it happened after 1946, its George W's fault. NFC where pearl Hrbor comes into this, that was like, 40 or 41? >.>

[Tyche]

Oh, and this:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 86,00.html

[Rocl]

Holyshit there's a middle east?

[Kiro]

Holyshit there's a middle east?

Apparently. I saw it in Hidalgo once.

[Rocl]

Holyshit there's a middle east?

Apparently. I saw it in Hidalgo once.

I always called it Southwest Asia

[Ksandra]

So if it's only a theory, you don't believe it, you heard of it somewhere, and you don't know any details, and there was no clear motive, why are you commenting on it as if you know what's going on? For all you know the memo was given to Joe Blow to transfer to command, and he ran into a pretty girl and decided to blow off his assignment. Left it on a desk somewhere. You're commenting on a situation with a high amount of variables as if you know exactly what happened, which is foolhardy.

you are correct on your previous pieces however I think just flat out ignoring something like that should get some sort of punishment. As to the pearl harbor theory, for some weird coincidence I've dated 1 history major, 1 soon-to-be history teacher, and one actualy history teacher. I decided to mention it since all three at some point in our dating career flipped out by something said on the news or some of their friends debated it during our lunch-ins or whatever I remember all three mentioning that theory. And granted I cared more on "does this mean he likes me" then theories. I do remember watching a documentary on it. and I am making an assumption that history buffs believe this only becuase it seemed to be the trend. (side not thank GOD my current bf isn't a history major...they're weird @@

As to your second post, someone mentioned pearl harbor previously and wanted to comment on it, wasn't trying to compare or derail but then Shihei decided to comment and mine and there you go.

[Excalin Garisk]

I bet there is a group of bible thumpers out there seeing this as the end of the world.

[Raivyn]

So if it's only a theory, you don't believe it, you heard of it somewhere, and you don't know any details, and there was no clear motive, why are you commenting on it as if you know what's going on? For all you know the memo was given to Joe Blow to transfer to command, and he ran into a pretty girl and decided to blow off his assignment. Left it on a desk somewhere. You're commenting on a situation with a high amount of variables as if you know exactly what happened, which is foolhardy.

you are correct on your previous pieces however I think just flat out ignoring something like that should get some sort of punishment. As to the pearl harbor theory, for some weird coincidence I've dated 1 history major, 1 soon-to-be history teacher, and one actualy history teacher. I decided to mention it since all three at some point in our dating career flipped out by something said on the news or some of their friends debated it during our lunch-ins or whatever I remember all three mentioning that theory. And granted I cared more on "does this mean he likes me" then theories. I do remember watching a documentary on it. and I am making an assumption that history buffs believe this only becuase it seemed to be the trend. (side not thank GOD my current bf isn't a history major...they're weird @@

As to your second post, someone mentioned pearl harbor previously and wanted to comment on it, wasn't trying to compare or derail but then Shihei decided to comment and mine and there you go.

Well it has nothing to do with the thread, but alright.

I scoped out wikipedia for kicks and what they have under the whole controversy is even less controversial than what you alluded to. You should read it. Search for "Pearl Harbor Advance Knowledge" and you'll find the article. If you want to discuss this maybe you should make a seperate thread?