sept 11 conspiracy

[Koyangi]

The plane that hit the Empire State building was also a B-25, not a 747.

they didnt blame the collapse on the planes, they blamed it on the intense heat from the jetfuel.

And the scientific proof of the heat of the jetfeul has already been proven to not be hot enough to melt steel.

[Unklemonkey]

Science also once said that Leeches were a cure to just about everything

Science also said that the world revolves around the Earth.

Science can be wrong. Unless you can test it again by having the exact same building by being the exact same way as the Twin Towers did, there's not enough proof to conclude that it is impossible.

[Avvesione]

Science also said that the world revolves around the Earth.

How does that work?

[Daahan]

Science also once said that Leeches were a cure to just about everything

Science also said that the world revolves around the Earth.

Science can be wrong. Unless you can test it again by having the exact same building by being the exact same way as the Twin Towers did, there's not enough proof to conclude that it is impossible.

The problem with that logic is that at the time those theories were claimed to be true, the scientific method was much more primitive. Nowadays, we are much more advanced and rational, and tend not to make conclusions like that.

[Kross]

initially, i bought the conspiracy thoery after seeing the video as well. but then i figure that is based on the assumptions that

1) the bush administration is capable of perpetrating and orchestrating something on this scale
2) the administration is able to keep such a conspiracy in secrecy.

frankly, i don't believe the current administration is competent in accomplishing either judging from all the messes it is in right now.

Not hard to hide things with the media these days. The media is controlled by the gov't(in a sense) and the only thing we see on the news are the lies.

Fuck television.

[Raivyn]

Loose Change is a conspiracy propaganda video, and like any good propaganda, it's going to convince you that its side is the truth, if you don't do your own research.

Here's a good place to look at the other side of things, a 146-page document detailing the factual innaccuracies in the movie:

http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html

I'm not saying that some things about 9/11 don't seem fishy, but don't take Loose Change as gospel without looking at the arguments from the opposite side as well.

Wow, 146 pages. Interpret: (im not reading all that shit)

Talk about being full of shit. Interpret: (I read it and its all bullshit, i know this as fact)

Lolirony

Whaaaaaat?

I think you may have misunderstood - I'm saying the movie was even more full of shit than I thought, because someone was able to write 146 pages aobut the lies contained within.

[Tyche]

My apologies lol, it looked like you was calling a 150 page report full of shit >.>. Lost in translation.

[Raivyn]

no worries! I could've said it more clearly for sure

[Raivyn]

The plane that hit the Empire State building was also a B-25, not a 747.

they didnt blame the collapse on the planes, they blamed it on the intense heat from the jetfuel.

And the scientific proof of the heat of the jetfeul has already been proven to not be hot enough to melt steel.

It doesn't need to melt to lose it's structural integrity. You don't ask enough questions.

These towers were held up by multiple steel struts on each floor. The towers were designed this way so that each individual strut would bear a small portion of the weight and be helped out by the others. As some of the struts lost their integrity, or slipped out of place etc; more load was placed on the other struts. As more and more struts lost their integrity each strut in the building was forced to cope with more weight than intended. Eventually the building collapsed.

[Kross]

Science also once said that Leeches were a cure to just about everything

Science also said that the world revolves around the Earth.

Science can be wrong. Unless you can test it again by having the exact same building by being the exact same way as the Twin Towers did, there's not enough proof to conclude that it is impossible.

If you still think the gov't had nothing to do with 9/11 after watching that video, you seriously need help.

[Correction]

Science also once said that Leeches were a cure to just about everything

Science also said that the world revolves around the Earth.

Science can be wrong. Unless you can test it again by having the exact same building by being the exact same way as the Twin Towers did, there's not enough proof to conclude that it is impossible.

If you still think the gov't had nothing to do with 9/11 after watching that video, you seriously need help.

If you still think that video is a credible source of information after someone posted an almost 150 page treatise on how it's mostly garbage...

[Unklemonkey]

If you still think the gov't had nothing to do with 9/11 after watching that video, you seriously need help.

Or you need to get your head out of your ass and stop believing something that has already been discredited by many sources and facts. The Loose Change video gives you no sources, there's many sites that discredit it that give you actually sources. It uses simple observation as facts, and if you would stop believing one source and do some research, you'd realize there are many holes in his theory.

[Raivyn]

Science also once said that Leeches were a cure to just about everything

Science also said that the world revolves around the Earth.

Science can be wrong. Unless you can test it again by having the exact same building by being the exact same way as the Twin Towers did, there's not enough proof to conclude that it is impossible.

If you still think the gov't had nothing to do with 9/11 after watching that video, you seriously need help.

If you still think that video is a credible source of information after someone posted an almost 150 page treatise on how it's mostly garbage...

I have to be honest here; I fucking love the little quips you post and the fact that your name is "correction". Endless laughter

[Kross]

If you still think the gov't had nothing to do with 9/11 after watching that video, you seriously need help.

Or you need to get your head out of your ass and stop believing something that has already been discredited by many sources and facts. The Loose Change video gives you no sources, there's many sites that discredit it that give you actually sources. It uses simple observation as facts, and if you would stop believing one source and do some research, you'd realize there are many holes in his theory.

Maybe you should look outside the box for a change and open your mind to possibilites. What makes this so impossible? What makes it so hard to realize the facts?

Didn't you see the explosions? Didn't you hear the interviews with the Firefighters?

Tell me why this isn't a credible source?

Tell me why the Bush Admin. is not guilty, cuz I'm sure you have no answer.

[Unklemonkey]

Lets see, there's been 2 sources that have proven the Loose Change video to be a pile of crap already posted in this thread:

http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html

and

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

Not to mention other sources that you can find within two minutes of a google search. Like:

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gree ... hange.html (Written by another conspirator who believes that the government might have had something to do with 9/11, but still thinks the loose change video is horse shit)

Do your research before you take one video as fact. If somebody came to me with ACTUAL research, and proof then fine I'd take a look at it, and find out for myself. But this video is old, and has been posted on these forums probably at least 10 times by now from what I've seen.

The video has been debunked by OTHER CONSPIRATORS, not just by people who don't believe the government had something to do with it. Go do some research on the video, and maybe read other essays on the 9/11. Then conspire all you want, but if somebody can come up with a 150ish page report on how many misinformation is in that video, you need to look at what you're believing.

[Kross]

Thanks for the links monkey

[Raivyn]

If you still think the gov't had nothing to do with 9/11 after watching that video, you seriously need help.

Or you need to get your head out of your ass and stop believing something that has already been discredited by many sources and facts. The Loose Change video gives you no sources, there's many sites that discredit it that give you actually sources. It uses simple observation as facts, and if you would stop believing one source and do some research, you'd realize there are many holes in his theory.

Maybe you should look outside the box for a change and open your mind to possibilites. What makes this so impossible? What makes it so hard to realize the facts?

Didn't you see the explosions? Didn't you hear the interviews with the Firefighters?

Tell me why this isn't a credible source?

Tell me why the Bush Admin. is not guilty, cuz I'm sure you have no answer.

I love how people claim to be open minded, when they're in fact only open minded to crack pot theories and extremely closed-minded to things like logic and reason. Oh and independent thought.

Actually I don't love it. I hate it. It's annoying as fuck.

[Koga]

Just move to Australia in about a year like I am and then you don't have to deal with the Bush Administration and the problems he has made for our country.

[Raivyn]

Just move to Australia in about a year like I am and then you don't have to deal with the Bush Administration and the problems he has made for our country.

I know I'm going to regret this, but; such as?

And Oz is under fairly conservative leadership as well. You're probably not going to like John Howard anymore than Bush.

[Kross]

Just move to Australia in about a year like I am and then you don't have to deal with the Bush Administration and the problems he has made for our country.

I know I'm going to regret this, but; such as?

And Oz is under fairly conservative leadership as well. You're probably not going to like John Howard anymore than Bush.

You southern boy?