sept 11 conspiracy

[Raivyn]

Just move to Australia in about a year like I am and then you don't have to deal with the Bush Administration and the problems he has made for our country.

I know I'm going to regret this, but; such as?

And Oz is under fairly conservative leadership as well. You're probably not going to like John Howard anymore than Bush.

You southern boy?

Honestly, what does that have to do with anything?

[Koga]

Just move to Australia in about a year like I am and then you don't have to deal with the Bush Administration and the problems he has made for our country.

I know I'm going to regret this, but; such as?

And Oz is under fairly conservative leadership as well. You're probably not going to like John Howard anymore than Bush.

You southern boy?

i am lol'ing irl @ that comment XD

how about a war that has placed the US in a bad position in terms of world standing and countless lives lost for the sake of oil.
the fact that he is against moving forward with the rest of the world in terms of gay rights and a shitload of other problems that he wont deal with because of religous standings.

[Kross]

hey Koga, do you live in Canada?

You can get married here Also in a couple of states in US but I forgot where, but I think there is a conflict of interest between the state laws and federal laws, I am not too aware of US laws.

You can't stop the evolution of society, it's a lot easier to accept it than to refute it like the US are doing.

But again, it's always a question of religion

[NynJa]

Science also once said that Leeches were a cure to just about everything

Science also said that the world revolves around the Earth.

Science can be wrong. Unless you can test it again by having the exact same building by being the exact same way as the Twin Towers did, there's not enough proof to conclude that it is impossible.

If you still think the gov't had nothing to do with 9/11 after watching that video, you seriously need help.

If you still think that video is a credible source of information after someone posted an almost 150 page treatise on how it's mostly garbage...

Not saying either party is right or wrong, but just because someone writes a 150+ page book about something means its automatically factual because of its legnth ??

I guess you must be right, sup bible.

[Raivyn]

Just move to Australia in about a year like I am and then you don't have to deal with the Bush Administration and the problems he has made for our country.

I know I'm going to regret this, but; such as?

And Oz is under fairly conservative leadership as well. You're probably not going to like John Howard anymore than Bush.

You southern boy?

i am lol'ing irl @ that comment XD

how about a war that has placed the US in a bad position in terms of world standing and countless lives lost for the sake of oil.
the fact that he is against moving forward with the rest of the world in terms of gay rights and a shitload of other problems that he wont deal with because of religous standings.

Oh so I see you bring opinion to the table instead of fact.

You do know that the gay marriage ammendment was voted down in almost every state by over 70% of the populus, right? And before you accuse me of something ridiculous - I support gay marriage, and I happen to disagree with 70% of America (which just so happens to include the current President).

But in regards to the Iraq comment - I guess you must think that being in good standing with a bunch of criminals who call themselves our allies but wouldn't hesitate to fuck us seven ways to Sunday is more important than something like the safety of the American people (who the government is charged to defend to the best of their ability). Personally, I would rather take out the trash than align myself with a bunch of countries that had an economic interest in the continuation of the Hussein Regime, like China, Russia, France, Germany, and a whole slew of others, not to mention U.N. officials etc.

But yeah, it was a great idea to go into Iraq for Oil. I know with all the extra oil we now have my gas prices sure are going down! Oh wait, they're not. What the fuck are we doing with all this extra oil then? We must be storing it for a rainy day. Either that or we're not getting any extra oil.

[Raivyn]

Science also once said that Leeches were a cure to just about everything

Science also said that the world revolves around the Earth.

Science can be wrong. Unless you can test it again by having the exact same building by being the exact same way as the Twin Towers did, there's not enough proof to conclude that it is impossible.

If you still think the gov't had nothing to do with 9/11 after watching that video, you seriously need help.

If you still think that video is a credible source of information after someone posted an almost 150 page treatise on how it's mostly garbage...

Not saying either party is right or wrong, but just because someone writes a 150+ page book about something means its automatically factual because of its legnth ??

I guess you must be right, sup bible.

This guy counts out over 400 factual errors and direct lies in the film, and provides sources for almost every one of them, unlike the film.

[Firestarter]

Lets see, there's been 2 sources that have proven the Loose Change video to be a pile of crap already posted in this thread:

http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html

and

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

Not to mention other sources that you can find within two minutes of a google search. Like:

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gree ... hange.html (Written by another conspirator who believes that the government might have had something to do with 9/11, but still thinks the loose change video is horse shit)

Do your research before you take one video as fact. If somebody came to me with ACTUAL research, and proof then fine I'd take a look at it, and find out for myself. But this video is old, and has been posted on these forums probably at least 10 times by now from what I've seen.

The video has been debunked by OTHER CONSPIRATORS, not just by people who don't believe the government had something to do with it. Go do some research on the video, and maybe read other essays on the 9/11. Then conspire all you want, but if somebody can come up with a 150ish page report on how many misinformation is in that video, you need to look at what you're believing.

so its been a while, but i just checked your screwloosechange.com website. i found a list of "things the video lied about" followed by 54 comments from people who had read the list, telling the author of the list of lies that he was full of shit and asking him why he did not use any links or sources to support his conclusions.

sorry monkey, you arent really changing my mind at this point.

[Raivyn]

The first link he supplied you with is much more credible and I don't know why you ignored it.

[Sixtail]

Because he's one of those nuts who refuses to deal with anything that attacks his stance. If someone put out a video on the net claiming Bush personaly flew a SR-71 to attack the Twin Towers, you would be stunned how many people would take it as the word of god.

[Chlymera]

interesting

[Raivyn]

Because he's one of those nuts who refuses to deal with anything that attacks his stance. If someone put out a video on the net claiming Bush personaly flew a SR-71 to attack the Twin Towers, you would be stunned how many people would take it as the word of god.

Stunned no, disappointed yes.

[Firestarter]

The first link he supplied you with is much more credible and I don't know why you ignored it.

here is an excert from the top link.

Why? Because none of these calls could have taken place.

No matter how much you didn't want them to, they did take place. Real people made those calls in the real world, Dylan Avery. Their last calls. And because no one could help those on flight 93, they tried to help themselves, and may have saved many lives in the process. And because they fought for their lives, who will ever dare to try to take over an airliner again?

he is just giving his oppinion. no references.
so why do you say this is a more creditable site, is it becaue this one doesnt allow readers to make posts telling him what he is wrong about?

FYI i am not a crackpot, its a very simple matter, i believe loose change's compelling evidence until i find out otherwise. the stuff shown in those links is not compelling evidence, just a bunch of people like you that just state their own oppinions about the matter.

like dylan said, all they have to do is release the footage captured of the petnagon attack and it would be end of story for loose change. why do they not release it? well here is what your boy at link 1 said.

Some were played for victims at the Moussaoui trial. Has the government released all other recordings of all plane crashes to the public? No. If they are not classified such recordings may be available through FOIA requests. Writes contributor kookbreaker:

"... the government cannot just release confiscated tapes to the public. It may show them at trials, but they are still the property of the company whose camera took them. Look at the settlements with regards to the Zapruder film as a demonstration of why they do not release things."

thats the lamest shit i've ever heard.

oh wait KOOKBREAKER SAID IT i guess that makes it correct.

[Kross]

Exactly Fire, what makes 9/11 so sketchy is that there's so much mystery with the gov't. Why the mystery? because they are hiding something, it is logic.

9/11 is a long time ago, but the US gov't is still using that card to do anything they fucking please.

- Let's get Saddam! why? He's got bombs!!!
- Oh shit, no bombs! Let's still get Saddam and invade Iraq illegaly! why? 9/11
- Ok we got Saddam! Let's stay in Iraq! Why? 9/11!!!
- Let's keep fighting in Afghanistan! Why? 9/11!!

It's getting fucking old, and this is the reason why Bush's approval rating is in the 30s, the lowest percentage of any US president. Bush is a puppet as you may already know, there's no way in hell 9/11 would've taken place with a Democratic gov't.

[Mekami]

Exactly Fire, what makes 9/11 so sketchy is that there's so much mystery with the gov't. Why the mystery? because they are hiding something, it is logic.

9/11 is a long time ago, but the US gov't is still using that card to do anything they fucking please.

- Let's get Saddam! why? He's got bombs!!!
- Oh shit, no bombs! Let's still get Saddam and invade Iraq illegaly! why? 9/11
- Ok we got Saddam! Let's stay in Iraq! Why? 9/11!!!
- Let's keep fighting in Afghanistan! Why? 9/11!!

It's getting fucking old, and this is the reason why Bush's approval rating is in the 30s, the lowest percentage of any US president. Bush is a puppet as you may already know, there's no way in hell 9/11 would've taken place with a Democratic gov't.

Woodrow Wilson had lower approval ratings than George Bush.

[mrfridays]

Bush is a puppet as you may already know, there's no way in hell 9/11 would've taken place with a Democratic gov't.

Considering Al-Queda started planning the 9/11 attacks while Clinton was still in office, I'd say you are wrong.

[Kross]

Bush is a puppet as you may already know, there's no way in hell 9/11 would've taken place with a Democratic gov't.

Considering Al-Queda started planning the 9/11 attacks while Clinton was still in office, I'd say you are wrong.

so you know someone in Al-Quada eh?

the media is not a valid source of information!!!!!

[Raivyn]

The first link he supplied you with is much more credible and I don't know why you ignored it.

here is an excert from the top link.

Why? Because none of these calls could have taken place.

No matter how much you didn't want them to, they did take place. Real people made those calls in the real world, Dylan Avery. Their last calls. And because no one could help those on flight 93, they tried to help themselves, and may have saved many lives in the process. And because they fought for their lives, who will ever dare to try to take over an airliner again?

he is just giving his oppinion. no references.
so why do you say this is a more creditable site, is it becaue this one doesnt allow readers to make posts telling him what he is wrong about?

FYI i am not a crackpot, its a very simple matter, i believe loose change's compelling evidence until i find out otherwise. the stuff shown in those links is not compelling evidence, just a bunch of people like you that just state their own oppinions about the matter.

like dylan said, all they have to do is release the footage captured of the petnagon attack and it would be end of story for loose change. why do they not release it? well here is what your boy at link 1 said.

[quote:a35a3]Some were played for victims at the Moussaoui trial. Has the government released all other recordings of all plane crashes to the public? No. If they are not classified such recordings may be available through FOIA requests. Writes contributor kookbreaker:

"... the government cannot just release confiscated tapes to the public. It may show them at trials, but they are still the property of the company whose camera took them. Look at the settlements with regards to the Zapruder film as a demonstration of why they do not release things."

thats the lamest shit i've ever heard.

oh wait KOOKBREAKER SAID IT i guess that makes it correct.[/quote:a35a3]

How about you look at the cited sources which contradict major points of the film? Who gives a shit about the sideline quips?

[mrfridays]

Bush is a puppet as you may already know, there's no way in hell 9/11 would've taken place with a Democratic gov't.

Considering Al-Queda started planning the 9/11 attacks while Clinton was still in office, I'd say you are wrong.

so you know someone in Al-Quada eh?

the media is not a valid source of information!!!!!

How about the 9/11 Commision's report, you fucking crackpot!!!!

[Raivyn]

Bush is a puppet as you may already know, there's no way in hell 9/11 would've taken place with a Democratic gov't.

Considering Al-Queda started planning the 9/11 attacks while Clinton was still in office, I'd say you are wrong.

so you know someone in Al-Quada eh?

the media is not a valid source of information!!!!!

Holy shit at your original statement. Just holy shit. You can not be that stupid.

As for your second statement - I'd say that the fact that Osama Bin Laden claimed responsibility for the attack, had attacked the WTC before, planned the U.S.S. Cole bombing, and numerous other attacks against American interests, it's pretty much certain he was behind the 9/11 attacks and that these attacks were planned before the Bush administration. These facts alone contradict almost the entire video.

[mrfridays]

Bin Ladin, apparently at Atef ’s urging, finally
decided to give KSM the green light for the 9/11 operation sometime in late 1998 or early 1999

5.2 THE “PLANES OPERATION”
According to KSM, he started to think about attacking the United States after
Yousef returned to Pakistan following the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
LikeYousef,KSM reasoned he could best influence U.S. policy by targeting the
country’s economy. KSM and Yousef reportedly brainstormed together about
what drove the U.S. economy. New York, which KSM considered the eco=
nomic capital of the United States, therefore became the primary target. For
similar reasons, California also became a target for KSM.32
KSM claims that the earlier bombing of theWorldTrade Center taught him
that bombs and explosives could be problematic, and that he needed to grad=
uate to a more novel form of attack. He maintains that he and Yousef began
thinking about using aircraft as weapons while working on the Manila
air/Bojinka plot, and speculated about striking the World Trade Center and
CIA headquarters as early as 1995

The whole "Planes Operation" section, which details the origins of the 9/11 attacks is too big to post in its entirety here, but I suggest you DL a copy of it and read for yourself:

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/pdf/fullreport.pdf