On this day one year ago, Ranger was nerfed.

[RKenshin]

RNG still works if your name is Rukenshin. Otherwise, no.

True dat.

I... don't even know what to say to that lol.

IMO RNG is still a heavy DD though if you put the time/money/merits into it, although I'm pretty sure most of the RNG population doesn't. It's like almost all the people with the motivation to put a lot of time/money/merits into a job level either BLM, MNK, or WAR now.

[amlaruil]

After the patch, me and a few LS mates made a party and went to Ulli camp (this was before RMT camped the fuck out of it). It was like a party gone upside down - our linkshell's THF's DE was doing far more than the Ranger's 500ish Sidewinders. We had to tell the ranger to move back more after we saw her damage (30 per arrow, LOL).

It was both hilarious and sad seeing how the Ranger couldn't even turn the mob for SATA DE. It was then that I realized that Ranger was dead and paying for Warrior-ish damage is stupid.

Geno used to PL my WHM with his RNG Good times

A lot of people had trouble right after the update. Some of us adjusted... I can only see doing that low damage with only r.acc gear, /nin, no songs, no food; you used to be able to get away with being lazy as a ranger.

There're 2 general ways to play ranger at this point, and I haven't really decided which is better. You can take advantage of melee, and use Othinus' Bow or Hellfire +1 for barrage/WS... with that you can take advantage of haste and still get off huge WS for burst damage (this can be either 2 axes, ridill, mercurial kris, kraken club, in increasing effectiveness for TP gain and decreasing DoT from melee). Or you can shoot at range, and although TP gain sucks, you generally do 200-300 damage per shot (sometimes as much as 400 in Caedarva Mire), possibly making up for slower tp. Both tactics work with /war or /nin, although melee range tends to favor /nin and bow tends to favor /war (since you can stay out of AoE, assuming your tanks are good enough).

As far as HNMs, it was pointed out that after level 70 ranger was already strong enough to be effective on some HNM. Now it takes full merits and good food/gear to do decent damage (sounds like most melee). I've seen rangers get back up to the damage I remember doing on gods a year ago, but they can't do it in perfect safety.

P.S. Rukenshin, more DRK updates!

[NynJa]

IMO RNG is still a heavy DD though if you put the time/money/merits into it, although I'm pretty sure most of the RNG population doesn't. It's like almost all the people with the motivation to put a lot of time/money/merits into a job level either BLM, MNK, or WAR now.

How is that different from any other job ??

A WAR/NIN using dual Tabarzin, whos too cheap to buy a freakin Hauberk using RK Chainmail, dual Ruby Rings...I'll stop before I make a few readers puke.


any job can be powerful with time money and merits.

[BRP]

The ones who bought weskits when they jumped to 10m, the ones who have never cast an elemental debuff, and the ones who can't stun for utsu ichi. Ie: the ones who play it like it's pre-nerf rng (spam dmg), except with non-physical attacks. The people who want to spam damage just because they think dying wins the fight, when even my weak shit blm(or any other) could pull hate, if we were retards.

QFT!

Ugh, I fucking hate my job now after RNG was nerfed. Full of manaburning fucking morons. Nothing pisses me off like people who have to be the best job. While RNG nerf was a bit insane, I hate it for awhole new reason. Gil buyers, sheep as they are(well everyone is a damn sheep), simply went to BLM, WAR, and MNK. I hope they nerf my job, I'd love it. It's not about doing the most damage, if I had picked DRG three/four years ago, I would still be a DRG. Too bad I'm too lazy/busy to level another job.

[layoneil]

How is that different from any other job ??

one time investments vs bottomless pit difference.

[deakka]

All those rangers should have just become shuriken ninjas >.> lol

I'll admit non throwing ranged attacks got sweet sweet prison love made to them, but it was coming. It was funny to see all the BLM's E-peens grow to massive sizes after the nerf. But most importantly, i remember threatening RNG's in my ls not to level monk, less the nerf germs infect mah jurb.

At least i'll always have lolpup, untouched by the gil buying masses. Unless they do something like give PUP's an alexander frame >.>

[Sylvrdragon]

Didn't Ryko have pics of him outparsing Ridill WARs on PLD/NIN? You people don't give that job enough credit. They have everything needed to be a top tier DD. A+ Skill with plenty of skill+ gear available
(With merits, you can get 304 Skill). A high damage weapon option (Company Sword) a TPing offhand Weapon (Joyeuse). A decent WS (Vorpal Blade). Access to a lot of high end DD gear (Hauby, Hecatomb, etc.). Access to a lot of Haste Gear (Homam, Turban, Belt, etc.). Done right, a DD PLD/NIN can compete with the best.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

I was so glad when RNGs got nerfed, it meant my MNK could actually merit more often.

If you've ever leveled another melee job during the RNG craze you'd hate them too.

Fucking RNGs.

Guillotine > Slug shot fragmentation and heavy shot > spinning slash carried my ass to 75.

[Tdizzle]

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lolObow. PS I'm gimp using darksteel for ws and use AF1 body ftw.

Rng is totally gimped because of the acc and the need to sub war for any respectable dmg. Regardless my thf subbing nin can out parse my rng any day of the week and be able to take 0 dmg.

I cry inside when I think back to the good ole rng days. Rng has been relegated to kited mobs and mobs weak to piercing onry. OH and if the mob hits hard and has gay ws, then expect to die alot if you pull hate for more than a couple seconds while getting to pay for every shot...

[Tarukiss]

I stopped leveling RNG at 37 after the nerf and somehow woodworking became less profitable

Maybe they will nerf BLM next so there will only be 30 of those online. Hell if they keep this up we can be online with 540 people!

God, I hope so. Then I can show all the fake blms how to really play the job just like all the real rngs are doing right now.

Also: lol, woodworking

Define fake BLM. lol, woodworking?

Also, I was never planning on leveling RNG past 37. My BLM was level 60 when my RNG was level 5 I just leveled it as a sub for WAR and RDM Sidewinder fun. Sorry if you find it funny that I'm having fun in the game.

My post was dripping with sarcasm Shine, how did you miss it?

You don't remember all the rng saying the nerf was going to be good for rng since it would force all the 'fake' rng and leave only the good ones?

Also, lol @ ww because its profit synths are sketchy at best. Elemental staves are a bit of a joke atm(sup 20k staves, 500k beads), no one really cares about HQ ranged weapons other then same stat stuff and the consumable market is flooded with rmt/bot crafters. So your left pretty dry with stuff like Gration pop items, HQ cursed gear, and the like to try to make profit which is difficult to a degree. The rng nerf certainly didn't help ww for that matter.

I said that with a bit of venom in my tone. I helped a dear friend lvl woodworking(hes also a rng) before the nerf and pumped countless hours and gil into it. We just left scratching our heads at the huge turn around, so I'm a tad bitter. So yea, fuck SE and their 'ranged attack adjustments'.

I was never a rng. Whm was my first 75 job and I began lvling blm before the nerf.

[Ryko]

Didn't Ryko have pics of him outparsing Ridill WARs on PLD/NIN? You people don't give that job enough credit.

out DD'd everything short of ridill WARs, the only ridill WAR I got to PT with though is in my LS and was 2 levels higher than me at the time. Kept up with a properly equipped merit NIN also but that was on Dweps with me using a kraken for offhand TP (SOUNDS STUPID HUH? WHM and I had a flash order so maybe 4 whirls would connect over the course of an hour, if that many)

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

The ones who bought weskits when they jumped to 10m, the ones who have never cast an elemental debuff, and the ones who can't stun for utsu ichi. Ie: the ones who play it like it's pre-nerf rng (spam dmg), except with non-physical attacks. The people who want to spam damage just because they think dying wins the fight, when even my weak shit blm(or any other) could pull hate, if we were retards.

QFT!

Ugh, I fucking hate my job now after RNG was nerfed. Full of manaburning fucking morons. Nothing pisses me off like people who have to be the best job. While RNG nerf was a bit insane, I hate it for awhole new reason. Gil buyers, sheep as they are(well everyone is a damn sheep), simply went to BLM, WAR, and MNK. I hope they nerf my job, I'd love it. It's not about doing the most damage, if I had picked DRG three/four years ago, I would still be a DRG. Too bad I'm too lazy/busy to level another job.

Just be glad you didnt choose DRK...

[Squallblade]

sigh another ranger bitching topic...did they not let sharpshot make ranger temporarily like it once was? also ranger are still quite good, Jailor of Fortitude, Jailor of Faith....stuff like that rangers are still quite useful for. Also Rukenshin i really hope you don't mind me using this picture >.>;;; (if you do, i'll delete it)

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Even though this is an exp party screeny....it clearly shows ranger isn't weak. Puk are weak, but 2k+ damage to them is a lot.Suck it up. god damnit.

[Brennon]

I was so glad when RNGs got nerfed, it meant my MNK could actually merit more often.

If you've ever leveled another melee job during the RNG craze you'd hate them too.

Fucking RNGs.

QFT


Here's another pic for the ex-rngs out there.

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[Don Katsu]

My post was dripping with sarcasm Shine, how did you miss it?

You don't remember all the rng saying the nerf was going to be good for rng since it would force all the 'fake' rng and leave only the good ones?

Also, lol @ ww because its profit synths are sketchy at best. Elemental staves are a bit of a joke atm(sup 20k staves, 500k beads), no one really cares about HQ ranged weapons other then same stat stuff and the consumable market is flooded with rmt/bot crafters. So your left pretty dry with stuff like Gration pop items, HQ cursed gear, and the like to try to make profit which is difficult to a degree. The rng nerf certainly didn't help ww for that matter.

I said that with a bit of venom in my tone. I helped a dear friend lvl woodworking(hes also a rng) before the nerf and pumped countless hours and gil into it. We just left scratching our heads at the huge turn around, so I'm a tad bitter. So yea, fuck SE and their 'ranged attack adjustments'.

I was never a rng. Whm was my first 75 job and I began lvling blm before the nerf.

Yeah I totally missed it.

I only got woodworking to 55 then it became impossible to sell the arrows I was using to help fund it

[Devek]

Ranger was broken though...

Ranged attacks didn't suffer any penelty for level difference.. they could hit a level 60 mob with 50 def and 200 defense for the same damage as a level 95 mob with 50 def and 200 defense.

That being said, I would of prefered they buff everyone else instead of nerf ranger.

Melee jobs are still broken... tried the HNM Limbus with monk.. Eatting meat and having 600 attack and hitting for 0 is absolutly fucking wonderful.

[rahskala]

Side topic: Remember those "job adjustments" that SE was going to add like giving WARs a way to throw axes, letting MNKs transfer HP to the rest of their party, etc? They said they weren't going to adjust RNG or DRG because they just made changes to those jobs already and wanted to wait a while. Anyone willing to bet that when they eventually do implement these changes they'll skip over RNG/DRG despite the fact that it'll have been over a year?

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Side topic: Remember those "job adjustments" that SE was going to add like giving WARs a way to throw axes, letting MNKs transfer HP to the rest of their party, etc? They said they weren't going to adjust RNG or DRG because they just made changes to those jobs already and wanted to wait a while. Anyone willing to bet that when they eventually do implement these changes they'll skip over RNG/DRG despite the fact that it'll have been over a year?

They've already started the changes in the 1st patch...just havent added the majority. I bet we'll see a few next patch.

And as I have said DRG mostly needs a new weapon. Look what hagun did for SAM, and its not overpowered like ridill. Something like that for DRG would help a lot.

[Priran]

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I just got that lol

[Epical]

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I just got that lol

For the others who are still trying:

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