New Notorious Monsters and Battlefields!(07/19/2006)

[Hawky]

poor monks, chiblast also gets affected by it

[Alisha]

i posted this on KI too but heres what im worried about

my main concern is this scenario:

pop god 10 players use spirits within magic resistance goes through the roof

then you get a conflict between black mages and monks since they will both be contributing to further resistance build up.

Wait wait, all the different kinds of magic damage get lumped into one resistance category? I was thinking that the methods listed suggested that each kind of magic damage (i.e: ele ws vs ele magic) were independent of each other.

Crap

i couldnt tell you thats just how i read/comprehended it

[ircgeek]

Side-note: I'm hoping the orbs for these new IS fights will be Rank 4+ items so I can finally find people to do more Assault than Excavation or Salvage with.

[Heian]

Whats interesting is they said Spirits Within would be nerfed too. I thought that was physical damage, but apparantly not. Mijn and Spirits aren't reduced by MDB and I didn't think wyrm resistance stopped them either...

Yeah, they've always been considered Magical damage. My Spirits Within do like 350 dmg at 300% w/ Full HP on Tiamat/Vrtra/Ouryu/lolJorm. Not sure why MDB doesn't effect it though.

Because MDB is not a factor in the WS formula. Its still a WS and has a formula like the rest but its a non resisting / non missing WS that is "magic based". I use that term loosely because I have seen HNM completly resist it and I get the line of text "Heian's Spirits Within has no effect on the ..."

[layoneil]

Side-note: I'm hoping the orbs for these new IS fights will be Rank 4+ items so I can finally find people to do more Assault than Excavation or Salvage with.

that's going to happen anyway because they're going to patch those to give 1k points total.

[Purplenv]

Side-note: I'm hoping the orbs for these new IS fights will be Rank 4+ items so I can finally find people to do more Assault than Excavation or Salvage with.

Ooooh, SP+ to enter... Interesting idea.

/em is glad to be SP, with a few new wins short of deffinate rank up when its released.

[Septimus]

Just when you think that the developers are not a bunch of drunken, fetal-alcohol-syndrome, crack addicted monkeys...

DFASCAM1: "Hmm... People like to use BLMs to kill things instead of melees. What should we do about it?

DFASCAM2: "Hey, let's do what the people from Zam! said. They certainly know what they are talking about."

NEWS FLASH! Try fixing things instead of nerfing them. If little Billy feels bad because little Stevie is a better artist than him, the solution is not to take a hammer to little Stevie's hand. Send Billy to get some art lessons. If people like using BLMs more than melee on HNMs maybe you should, oh say, talk to people to find out why.

Lead DFASCAM: "Wait, you mean people don't like it when a mob unleashes and attack where thousands of needle-ladened penises are raked across their faces? That's news to us!" Loaded

Seriously, how much more stupid can you get? I wonder if in the next update Square is going to send us all coupons for a free three-month trial of WoW.

[Kurokikaze]

Whats interesting is they said Spirits Within would be nerfed too. I thought that was physical damage, but apparantly not. Mijn and Spirits aren't reduced by MDB and I didn't think wyrm resistance stopped them either...

Yeah, they've always been considered Magical damage. My Spirits Within do like 350 dmg at 300% w/ Full HP on Tiamat/Vrtra/Ouryu/lolJorm. Not sure why MDB doesn't effect it though.

Because MDB is not a factor in the WS formula. Its still a WS and has a formula like the rest but its a non resisting / non missing WS that is "magic based". I use that term loosely because I have seen HNM completly resist it and I get the line of text "Heian's Spirits Within has no effect on the ..."

Ahh right.

[Russta]

Whats interesting is they said Spirits Within would be nerfed too. I thought that was physical damage, but apparantly not. Mijn and Spirits aren't reduced by MDB and I didn't think wyrm resistance stopped them either...

Yeah, they've always been considered Magical damage. My Spirits Within do like 350 dmg at 300% w/ Full HP on Tiamat/Vrtra/Ouryu/lolJorm. Not sure why MDB doesn't effect it though.

Because MDB is not a factor in the WS formula. Its still a WS and has a formula like the rest but its a non resisting / non missing WS that is "magic based". I use that term loosely because I have seen HNM completly resist it and I get the line of text "Heian's Spirits Within has no effect on the ..."

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bigruss...reaspirits.jpg

[Elcura]

PUP is going to own, and you all know it.

[Suiram]

I wouldn't worry too much about fights that are obviously intended to be killed with magic damage, such as turtles and Fortitude. As it says,

The monster's resistance will increase in accordance with the amount of damage incurred, but each monster has a maximum resistance level.

Let's say you currently do 1000 damage unresisted, and go unresisted 95% of the time on these. Likely their 'maximum resistance level' will be something like 750 max damage unresisted 60% of the time, compared to other NM/HNM that were intended to be more melee friendly will be 400 max damage unresisted 33% of the time with the same gear/merits.

[niwaar]

The thing to think of in this nerf is what exactly SE is trying to stop. We all know there are several issues with BLM being able to easily do certain fights/missions/bcnm/ksnm through the use of synched -ga's. Obviously, this is a real attempt to remove some of these.

All BLM vs:
Ullikumi
Divine Might
Bahamut v1
Diabolos Uncapped
Operation Desert Swarm

True, SE has a history of chopping its nose off despite its face (ie BST). However, I refuse to believe that they are stupid enough to give every NM the same amount of Magic Resistance Build Up. When they added the "Berzerk Mode" for NM's they did not give each NM the same timer, each was extremely specific. I am assuming that Faf's resistance rate will go up slower than, Ulli's. That the crystal warrior NM's resistance will be capped out after the first synched nuke. The same with ODS's scorpions.

[Heian]

Whats interesting is they said Spirits Within would be nerfed too. I thought that was physical damage, but apparantly not. Mijn and Spirits aren't reduced by MDB and I didn't think wyrm resistance stopped them either...

Yeah, they've always been considered Magical damage. My Spirits Within do like 350 dmg at 300% w/ Full HP on Tiamat/Vrtra/Ouryu/lolJorm. Not sure why MDB doesn't effect it though.

Because MDB is not a factor in the WS formula. Its still a WS and has a formula like the rest but its a non resisting / non missing WS that is "magic based". I use that term loosely because I have seen HNM completly resist it and I get the line of text "Heian's Spirits Within has no effect on the ..."

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bigruss...reaspirits.jpg

I love you Russta in the straightest way possible. The only thing about Spirits Within is that it can be comepletly resisted like that, rare but it happens. It does always land though, never misses. Doesn't stack with SA or TA, doesn't fall into any catagory I can think of besides Non-Elemental Magical Damage.

[Aikar]

http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantIT ... ipt?SK=325

haha

[ircgeek]

http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantIT ... ipt?SK=325

haha

Hahaha... They cut the hydra's head off and then two more grew back, but they KEPT doing it. Hahaha. More people should be allowed to post on the internet. Hahaha. Multiple heads. Hahaha.

[SephYuyX]

http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantIT ... ipt?SK=325

haha

Hahaha... They cut the hydra's head off and then two more grew back, but they KEPT doing it. Hahaha. More people should be allowed to post on the internet. Hahaha. Multiple heads. Hahaha.

Rofl

[Nagamaki]

Chi and Spirits are the same damage type, anything that takes reduced damage from 1 will take reduced from the other (and anything that takes extra will both ways too). At least, I have yet to run into any mob where this isn't true.

On my comment about flash a few pages ago, the issue with flash building resist wouldn't be about the hate flash gives and whether flash is resisted or not, but about it shooting the resist up for other spells. A PLD/NIN spamming the crap out of flash would end up maxing a mob's resistance pretty fast if Flash actually affects it, which would be pretty freaking retarded (assuming the resist is across all types, which seems the likeliest based on their wording).

[Heian]

Chi and Spirits are the same damage type, anything that takes reduced damage from 1 will take reduced from the other (and anything that takes extra will both ways too). At least, I have yet to run into any mob where this isn't true.

On my comment about flash a few pages ago, the issue with flash building resist wouldn't be about the hate flash gives and whether flash is resisted or not, but about it shooting the resist up for other spells. A PLD/NIN spamming the crap out of flash would end up maxing a mob's resistance pretty fast if Flash actually affects it, which would be pretty freaking retarded (assuming the resist is across all types, which seems the likeliest based on their wording).

Yeah Flash is Divine Magic but I think this nerf only applies to damage dealing magic, also ennfeebling/DoT magic as well.

[Reynard]

i wish the update post had been broken into 2 distinct parts, as this thread is all BLM fear and very little discussion about new hnm, nm, and battlefield content, which is , you know, what pretty much everyone on this board has been whining about a distinct lack of since expansion release. so, less nerf talk, more yay new nms talk please

ps: looking forward to merit adjustment and new PUP attachments update note

[Garret]

I don't understand why people seem to think flash is going to build an NM's resistance to magic damage when it is specifically refer to NM's building resistance when damage is done to them. The only damaging divine magic is Holy & Banish, guess no more Banishburns on Fafnir.