New Notorious Monsters and Battlefields!(07/19/2006)

[Delekii]

I think people are seriously overjudging the change, to be honest. People assume the second SE say nerf, they will go the whole hog and end up at 90% resistance after 2 nukes. Ranger wasnt the only nerf SE ever made, its just the one people remember. Like someone said much earlier in the thread, they nerfed utsusemi twice, and people hardly remember. A slight change in the way its used, but really nothing extrodinary.

Yes, they are capable of a total game dynamic change. But it isnt the only possibility. They cannot totally destroy the job of BLM, it is just too important in too many fights. Even Ranger is still a completely functional job, and outdoes the majority of melee on the majority of fights - it just takes more effort to do so.

I do wish Id started leveling SMN more heartily before this announcement though - now Im going to look like a total bandwagon summoner

[epigram]

bst bst bst smn pup cor >.>;

[Fhqwghads]

I NEVER EXP WITH ELEMENTAL STAVES.

Please to be noting the new paragraphs indicating new subjects. I don't make it a habit of inserting random line-breaks because it's cool. Or maybe it is? Either way, each of the separate paragraphs in my post were different comments on different aspects of the upcoming patch. Aaaaaaaaaaaallrighty then? Aaaaaaaaaaaallrighty then.

[aurik]

Why go through the pain of levelling smn to 75 when you can just buy one off of IGE? Gogo 24/7 levelling crews.

[DeadLegend]

I do wish Id started leveling SMN more heartily before this announcement though - now Im going to look like a total bandwagon summoner

amen

[Dustybrown]

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bigrussta/lolglksmn.gif

This is the reason I keep coming back and reading BG. I was laughing about that for 5 full minutes. No Joke. No one in my party got ballad and my static shouted at me. >.> <3 Russta.

[BRP]

Woodworkingrofl... first arrows, now staves.

BLM... thought you were stun whores before? Bahahaha!

BOTH are refering to the nerf, what else are you talking about? Please shut up 33ish post.

[Excalin Garisk]

I do wish Id started leveling SMN more heartily before this announcement though - now Im going to look like a total bandwagon summoner

amen

Is it considered jumping on the band wagon if it was going to be your 4th job to 75 anyway? Maybe by the time I get to it things will die down >.>

[Dustybrown]

Woodworkingrofl... first arrows, now staves.

BLM... thought you were stun whores before? Bahahaha!

I didn't notice this on the first read through, but I don't think this will be lolwoodworking. I mean, all the people who try and lvl SMN to 75 will get [HQ] staves surely?

[Siatdiat]

SE has made too many game design decisions half assed before that need to be adjusted for all this shit imo. A few fights pretty much require manaburn. Tartarus gigante, King vinegaroon are the best 2 examples I can think of. They both have insane regen. They need to redesign those fights if they change blm. However, they didnt change rngs 50% damage loss on wyrms after they nerfed them, they have made all this subtle blow gear for melees to use so to me that is more of a sign that they will never fix the tp system at all.

BRP- Only comment on this if you have killed any of the mobs I mentioned above kthx.

[Devek]

Does it count as bandwagon if you were already 3/5 on smn AF2 before you unlocked it?

[Delekii]

Woodworkingrofl... first arrows, now staves.

BLM... thought you were stun whores before? Bahahaha!

I didn't notice this on the first read through, but I don't think this will be lolwoodworking. I mean, all the people who try and lvl SMN to 75 will get [HQ] staves surely?

Ask Tahngathor, he doesnt need hq staves to melee to the best of his ability.

[Kimiko]

I think people are seriously overjudging the change, to be honest. People assume the second SE say nerf, they will go the whole hog and end up at 90% resistance after 2 nukes. Ranger wasnt the only nerf SE ever made, its just the one people remember. Like someone said much earlier in the thread, they nerfed utsusemi twice, and people hardly remember. A slight change in the way its used, but really nothing extrodinary.

Yes, they are capable of a total game dynamic change. But it isnt the only possibility. They cannot totally destroy the job of BLM, it is just too important in too many fights. Even Ranger is still a completely functional job, and outdoes the majority of melee on the majority of fights - it just takes more effort to do so.

And people also assumed that the ranger nerf when it was first announces was minor at best. Yet look what it came out to be? SE says that 1-2 blm's shouldn't notice a difference... ok, that's fine, let's add BLM debuffs (oh that's right... their classified as elemental aren't they?). Now add some ninjitsu to that, maybe a flash or two to hold hate... and what do you have. That's right, 100% resist before you can even get 2 nukes off. And knowing how SE works, forget about getting that resist down without a full reset/unclaim. Yes... I have every damn reason to be pestimistic about this, cause to be quite frank, BLM is now relagated to DRG hell. --;

What pisses me off though is that I've spent nearly 2 years getting my BLM to amongst the best. Now all that work, and effort... gone just like that because of an arbertary change. Oh no, we can make mobs more of a challenge, that'd be unfair to everyone. Nor can we take reasonable steps such as... I dunno, BAN THE FUCKING RMTs! No, we just need to put down those that have put the time, and effort into the job. GG SE... GG.

[Fhqwghads]

Woodworkingrofl... first arrows, now staves.

BLM... thought you were stun whores before? Bahahaha!

BOTH are refering to the nerf, what else are you talking about? Please shut up 33ish post.

Oh, suddenly post count equates intellect. Allow me to refute your idiotic assertion.

"Woodworkingrofl... first arrows, now staves." This would be in reference to woodworking. Kind of like the line states. As in, the demand for woodworking items will now be lower than ever more than likely. Strike 1.

"BLM... thought you were stun whores before? Bahahaha!" In reference to NM fights (inferred by the subject in the SE release.) Instead of casting spells to damage mobs, the only thing they're going to be good for is stunning, much like many other fights where they're only used for stun. Exaggerated in my op for... the hell of it. Skip strike 2, strike 3, you're out. Those two lines were exclusive. You made the stupid assumption they were related.

Now, pay attention, this is where you chimed in with:

This change is quite minimal. You can still manaburn to 75, because exp mobs are not effected. This only really effects NMs you need to manaburn, and maybe it might only effect SC(bleh) and timed battles. Don't be a dumbass.

To which I replied:

I'm sorry, let me edit out where I was talking about XP mobs. Oh wait, I wasn't.

And then we have you:

I NEVER EXP WITH ELEMENTAL STAVES.

And I go on to explain that each paragraph in my op was just that, different subjects. Then you come back with "BOTH are refering to the nerf, what else are you talking about?" NO FUCKING SHIT? You mean I'm posting thoughts about the nerf in a thread about the nerf? Wow, what a freakin' revelation. Just for your convenience, the next time I post musings on multiple possibilities in a post, I'll be sure to bullet point them under their own heading, just so you don't burst a vein trying to figure out what topic each line refers to.

So in closing, do me a favor, if post count is supposed to indicate intellect and/or being correct, make posts that reflect that supposition. Otherwise you, sir, are a major exception to the rule. Either that or just can't admit you're wrong, and are going to troll me with your uber post count. If that's your tactic, gtfo 2376ish posts. Not impressed.

[BRP]

gone just like that because of an arbertary change.

HOOOOW COULD THIS HAPPEN ME??!?!

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EDIT:

What the hell are you talking about?

BLM will still need elemental staves, so WW isn't taking a much of a hit at all

BLM won't become stun whores.

That is what I am saying. You are saying the opposite. I'm calling you wrong and a dumbass. Where does this become complex and why do I care you spaced two sentences that say the same thing.

[NynJa]

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For your vagina....


most RNG"s can still smoke shit. If you put "so much effort" into your blm to be "among the best", you shouldnt have any problem.

[Dezzimal]

most RNG"s can still smoke shit. If you put "so much effort" into your blm to be "among the best", you shouldnt have any problem.

The problem is, BLM damage is limited by the number of BLMs you have nuking alongside you now. So no matter how good your gear is you'll be hampered by that.

[Siatdiat]

Like shue said "WTF IS OUR SWEET SPOT!!!!!!!!!"

P.S. I dont think BRP has even killed serket before.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

most RNG"s can still smoke shit. If you put "so much effort" into your blm to be "among the best", you shouldnt have any problem.

The problem is, BLM damage is limited by the number of BLMs you have nuking alongside you now. So no matter how good your gear is you'll be hampered by that.

But if your LS is smart you'll just have a few of your BEST BLMs instead of tons of them... It wont affect individual BLMs, just LSes that focus soley on them.

[Devek]

most RNG"s can still smoke shit. If you put "so much effort" into your blm to be "among the best", you shouldnt have any problem.

The problem is, BLM damage is limited by the number of BLMs you have nuking alongside you now. So no matter how good your gear is you'll be hampered by that.

With the ranger nerf a single ranger alone isn't as good as he once was..

As long as your not in a gimp linkshell that can only win fights by manaburning, the patch notes are clear that you won't even notice this change.