So! SE suspended 2000 accounts...

[Stanislav]

[quote=Zalius][quote=Stanislav]

Anyone else have the problem of not seeing fafnir for 30mins on ps2?

I see Fafnir before all the PC users on PS2. I have never in 3yrs seen an HNM popped claimed due to lag.

good thing you havent been hnming for 3 years, since ffxi has been on ps2 for 850 days, and i know you didnt get to 75 in -245 days

he may be giving the wrong timespan
but HNM do appear faster on PS2 its a known fact

and ya the site is up its really slow lol
its running off my pc O_O

You're the stanislav that moved from siren mirite? or are you some other stan

One and only :wink:[/quote:c85f7]

i miss you ; ; YOU GOT ME MY CASTING WAND LAWL[/quote:c85f7]
<3

[aurik]

[quote=Tom Chambers][quote=Ivve]

Ivve- Probably time for you to go back and read my first post, or don't I'll find a .jpg on a Jump To Conclusions Mat for you.

Unless I'm mistaken, I did. Feel free to correct if you posted before this; I kind of sped through 35-39.

In retrospect:

A) Best case scenario would be to leave it as PS2 only.

B) Second best case scenario would be to allow the PC version to be windowed normally.

I don't blame regular folks for wanting to look at something other than FFXI while they're logged in, but that led to bots and warp hacks, which are clearly bad, and things like seeing other people's TP and alliance MP, which just puts those that do have those programs at a minor advantage over those that do.

Oh well. C'est le vie.

"Windower led to bots and warp hacks" is what I get out of that. Bots/warp hacks don't exist because people have a desire to minimize the game; they exist because people want in-game goals to be easier to achieve. The windower did not beget bots or the desire to use them, although it probably does make it easier for the average joe schmoe to get fleetool up and running.[/quote:84aa1]

I think we're in agreement.[/quote:84aa1]

If a clean "no hardcore hacks" windower did not exist, then fleetool/pos would come with a primitive one. It wouldn't change the real difficulty of running the hacks.

[Charitwo]

There is a Stanislas on Pandy

[Devek]

directx overlay...

[Rammses]

Yeah, both of my accounts are suspended. lol about time this came my way, I used FleeTool and POS here and there for almost 2 years now without getting ever caught, just shows how retarded SE is.

Oh yeah, don't know if this works, but before I quit, me and 2 other buddies made an "assault static" and we would just POS through Assaults and whore out the items on the Auction House. Example on the Mamool Ja one, just hyper speed throught the door and it would take about 1 minute and you get one of those shiny Antivenom Earrings (made me like 15m). so go go whore those out lol

The playerbase in FFXI is actually worse than SE's management of the game. Quite an accomplishment.

[NynJa]

Who wants to bet that [GM]Patchoulie will burn me for something, and I'll come home from work suspended ??

Can you put the gil you are betting on an escrow character so we can collect it after you get banned?

HOLY SHIT IM NOT BANNED (yet).



Went from page 11 to page 41 while I was at work. Cliffsnotes please ?

[BRP]

If SE made the game windowable, let you see alliance/party TP/MP, and maybe made macros better, people wouldn't have much of a need for windower unless they were total fucking morons(ie I AM A BLM WHO MANABURNED TO 75 AND DO NOT KNOW WHERE TO STAND TO BE OUT OF RANGE AND CAST MAGIC).

EDIT: Was anyone really banned only for using Windower's very basic functions... (no macros, no nothing else)? It just seems they know how to catch people using plug-ins and people who warp hack were banned.

[Tythera]

If SE made the game windowable, let you see alliance/party TP/MP, and maybe made macros better, people wouldn't have much of a need for windower unless they were total fucking morons(ie I AM A BLM WHO MANABURNED TO 75 AND DO NOT KNOW WHERE TO STAND TO BE OUT OF RANGE AND CAST MAGIC).

I'd settle for macros with 8~10 lines instead of 6.

edit: and windowed mode >.>

[Ichthyos]

10 gil they ninja nerfed /console's undetectabilty

/console isn't sent to the server. you might as well bet SE can see what you're wearing as you play.

Arguments like this are really stupid. The client sends data to the servers, and it's perfectly reasonable for them to add code that sends an extra packet to the server if somebody uses /console. Your analogy would be better off as, "I think SE can't see what clothes I'm wearing as I play, but little do I know they're watching me on webcam".

If there were a clientside patch, then sure, anything's possible. But there was no patch, and Cliff has stated that the way he wrote it, /console commands are intercepted and processed at the client instead of being sent to the server. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying that it doesn't happen.

[miokomioko]

It's too bad that the disagreement on this thread is merely people arguing for the sake of argument. Common sense goes a long ways in figuring out what is cheating and what is merely against policy. (hint: they aren't the same thing!)

[NynJa]

WHERE ARE MY FUCKING CLIFFNOTES ?!?

[thetruepandagod]

1) everyone whined
2) someone laughed at peopel for using windowers
3) we are discussing what is truly a gamebreaking hack vs just a helpful tool

i think thats what happened

o yea and rmt still roam free

[Tymon]

WHERE ARE MY FUCKING CLIFFNOTES ?!?

Bunch of people were suspended
RMT weren't
I said I was permabanned
People formulate hypotheses
More people get permabanned
People get banned even after being abesent for months
People troll
More people troll
Trolls get banned
More bannage

you are here.

[aurik]

WHERE ARE MY FUCKING CLIFFNOTES ?!?

Whole thread is worthless. Check out the "BG" topic though, some good stuff starting there.

[Devek]

WHERE ARE MY FUCKING CLIFFNOTES ?!?

Its 42 pages of the normal windower/anti windower discussion spiced with a few "i got banned but didn't use cheats" posts.

[DeadLegend]

Notes:
There is no pattern to the bans, they seem random
Possible offenses go back as far as November
PS2 players have been suspended
UNCTGTG and shihei got banned from this website
my sig quotes The Sandlot(best movie ever)
SirLancelot has not responded

edit:
4 effing posts as I typed this

[Tom Chambers]

[quote="thetruepandagod"]3) we are discussing what is truly a gamebreaking hack vs just a helpful tool[quote]

If that's what we're doing, then I don't want to be put on the 'gamebreaking hack' side. All the 'extras', though, do put a player with those at an advantage over someone without or on PS2. And many people who would've never thought of hacking (or at least thought it too risky) went ahead and did because of the ease and (until now) safety of windower.

[Ivve]

I think we're in agreement.

Not really. I don't think windower = hax or using windower makes you desire using other third party tools. An analogy: We should discontinue the production and use of boltcutters, because although there are legitimate reasons to use such a tool, it makes getting through padlocks more convenient for burglars who intend to steal things.
(Nevermind the fact that if someone wants to cut through the lock in the first place, they'll probably fashion their own instrument to do so.)

FFXI will have people using fleetool, pos.exe, mrargus, mrwildrabbit, and whatever else until SE actually does something serious to break these tools specifically, rather than just the windower.

[Epical]

Add:

Navvii (QM Ridill lolololol) was perm banned.

[NynJa]

WHERE ARE MY FUCKING CLIFFNOTES ?!?

Whole thread is worthless. Check out the "BG" topic though, some good stuff starting there.

Really ??
Lets check it.



thanks for the cliffnotes.