Besieged Hell

[Rocl]

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/668/wtfmaintsb8.png

BUT NONE OF THEM ARE IN AL ZAHBI!
Undead were "attacking" when I got in.
Trolls came about 5min after, and Mamool Ja about 5min after that.

But there's no monsters in Al Zahbi. No CS. No little icon >_>;

[Correction]

yeah, same weird shit on Siren, now that I'm in zone and looking for stuff to fight.

Both trolls and mamool ja as 'attacking,' no enemies in al zahbi, 35 GM calls ahead of mine lol.

[darkdeath]

Carby lost on the day of maint ;; But we've been raping them now. So far people dont seem to understand the meaning of preventive strike from attacking beastmen Strongholds...

[Gregorio]

Normal NPCs were hangin around also. Weird.

[Priran]

my server can't afford goblin mercenaries, imperial soldiers, or Immortals anymore and are reduced to Qiqirn NPCs.

[Kurp]

Maybe they're using seige tactics such as poisoning the water supply now, instead of full on assaults. I'll be safe though, because I buy my water from Jeuno off the AH.

[Gregorio]

The worst part of this "Besieged hell" is disconnecting every 10 minutes then getting booted to whitegate once I relog.

[Correction]

13 prisoners, four generals down.

Still, a win is a win.

The new beseiged NMs are fucking GAY.

[Snarg]

13 prisoners, four generals down.

Still, a win is a win.

The new beseiged NMs are fucking GAY.

wow, homosexual NM's? How does that work anyways?

[TsingTao]

Sodomizega...it's not pretty.

[Suci]

They need to take the charmga moves out and the stripe armor moves. I mean damn spaming the moves every 10secs suck how we pose to kill something like that unless its with 1/4 damage nukes from blms.


AND WHY THE FUCK EVERYTIME I HIT SUBMIT IT GOES TO PREVIEW!!!

[further]

Maybe they're using seige tactics such as poisoning the water supply now, instead of full on assaults. I'll be safe though, because I buy my water from Jeuno off the AH.

rofl

[shieldsofwindurst]

Apologies for the semi-necro, apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, I searched and found nothing.

Background info: Garuda had 3 besiegeds in quick succession last night (first killed 3 generals, 2nd killed the remaining 2 and featured an hour of hall of binding fighting, as did the third). There was a lull between 2 & 3, I left to camp Ose for a friend, came back to the tail end of 3 (trolls).

Anyways, here's the point: trolls in the hall of binding, barely holding them off, so I decide to DD (as lolblm) as best as I can. So I throw a bliz 4 at a flan ("Fighting Flan" specifically) and do full (1257) dmg! Follow with a fire 4 for 922! Never read anywhere that flans took full dmg (or double or whatever like qutrubs), so I was obviously shocked. That flan obviously went down really fast, so I started to nuke another flan (same type, "fighting flan"). Did thunder 4 216 and bliz 4 100.

So has anyone else ever seen flans (or other mobs) take full nuke dmg in besieged (post lolblm nerf of course)? I read most of the forums out there regularly and have seen nothing of the kind. If so, perhaps this is a change for the "More Strategic" Besieged? In that something you can do removes the fucking 80% dmg reduction? Possibly they just have it as an effect now that is dispellable (probably not)? Or maybe there's some sort of leader mob you can kill that removes it?

Of note, after those 2 flans, I only nuked 1 bomb like 3 times for a total of about 7 nukes, and ended up with 555 xp/ip, even coming in right at the end.

[Priran]

Anyways, here's the point: trolls in the hall of binding, barely holding them off, so I decide to DD (as lolblm) as best as I can. So I throw a bliz 4 at a flan ("Fighting Flan" specifically) and do full (1257) dmg! Follow with a fire 4 for 922! Never read anywhere that flans took full dmg (or double or whatever like qutrubs), so I was obviously shocked. That flan obviously went down really fast, so I started to nuke another flan (same type, "fighting flan"). Did thunder 4 216 and bliz 4 100.

hope u got 10bux

[Correction]

life story

One word. Amplification.

Clearly the one you nuked had not been given any TP, or had been getting repeatedly abs-tped, while the 2nd one had been getting TP.

[shieldsofwindurst]

One word. Amplification.

Clearly the one you nuked had not been given any TP, or had been getting repeatedly abs-tped, while the 2nd one had been getting TP.

Okay, not saying you're wrong, but assuming you're right...

Bliz 4 on non-amplified flan = 1257, Bliz 4 on amplified flan = 100

That would mean that:
1. Flans take full dmg in beseiged when they first start, before they get tp (just trolled every besieged thread on this forum, not a single mention of that, somehow I think the blms who frequent this board would have mentioned being happy about having Something to nuke)
2. Mob amplification cuts nuke dmg by 1157/1257 dmg, or over 90% (whereas the blue mage fact thread quotes it as a 10% bonus for blu~again mob spells =/= blu spells, but that seems a BIT out of whack, even for SE~of course there's also the possibiltiy that flan amp could stack multiple castings, again seems unlikely)
3. Single (or repeated) castings of amplification imparts the besieged flans with approximately the same bullshit magic dmg -% the rest of the mobs already have, purely by accident.

Again, not saying you're wrong, just point me to the LAWL BESGD FLAN AMPLFC SUX thread that I missed.

[Correction]

One word. Amplification.

Clearly the one you nuked had not been given any TP, or had been getting repeatedly abs-tped, while the 2nd one had been getting TP.

Okay, not saying you're wrong, but assuming you're right...

Bliz 4 on non-amplified flan = 1257, Bliz 4 on amplified flan = 100

That would mean that:
1. Flans take full dmg in beseiged when they first start, before they get tp (just trolled every besieged thread on this forum, not a single mention of that, somehow I think the blms who frequent this board would have mentioned being happy about having Something to nuke)
2. Mob amplification cuts nuke dmg by 1157/1257 dmg, or over 90% (whereas the blue mage fact thread quotes it as a 10% bonus for blu~again mob spells =/= blu spells, but that seems a BIT out of whack, even for SE~of course there's also the possibiltiy that flan amp could stack multiple castings, again seems unlikely)
3. Single (or repeated) castings of amplification imparts the besieged flans with approximately the same bullshit magic dmg -% the rest of the mobs already have, purely by accident.

Again, not saying you're wrong, just point me to the LAWL BESGD FLAN AMPLFC SUX thread that I missed.

It's also entirely possible (ZAM SPECULATION MODE, ON!) that beseiged mobs build resistance based on the number of people attacking them. This would tally with the original beseiged nerf. First BLM gets to do max damage, everyone thereafter is dealing with a severe penalty to their nukes.

ZAM MODE OFF!

And let's not forget the freak chance that an unresisted nuke Just Got Through (lawl). It's possible, even in beseiged.

[Rocl]

I hear there's some sort of Medusa mob in Besieged now
CONFIRM DENY LOL STRATEGY

[shieldsofwindurst]

One word. Amplification.

Clearly the one you nuked had not been given any TP, or had been getting repeatedly abs-tped, while the 2nd one had been getting TP.

Okay, not saying you're wrong, but assuming you're right...

Bliz 4 on non-amplified flan = 1257, Bliz 4 on amplified flan = 100

That would mean that:
1. Flans take full dmg in beseiged when they first start, before they get tp (just trolled every besieged thread on this forum, not a single mention of that, somehow I think the blms who frequent this board would have mentioned being happy about having Something to nuke)
2. Mob amplification cuts nuke dmg by 1157/1257 dmg, or over 90% (whereas the blue mage fact thread quotes it as a 10% bonus for blu~again mob spells =/= blu spells, but that seems a BIT out of whack, even for SE~of course there's also the possibiltiy that flan amp could stack multiple castings, again seems unlikely)
3. Single (or repeated) castings of amplification imparts the besieged flans with approximately the same bullshit magic dmg -% the rest of the mobs already have, purely by accident.

Again, not saying you're wrong, just point me to the LAWL BESGD FLAN AMPLFC SUX thread that I missed.

It's also entirely possible (ZAM SPECULATION MODE, ON!) that beseiged mobs build resistance based on the number of people attacking them. This would tally with the original beseiged nerf. First BLM gets to do max damage, everyone thereafter is dealing with a severe penalty to their nukes.

ZAM MODE OFF!

And let's not forget the freak chance that an unresisted nuke Just Got Through (lawl). It's possible, even in beseiged.

Ok, sure. 1 nuke just got through. It's not impossible, a friend of a friend told me that he saw someone land a near-full nuke on a regular statue once in dynamis. Considering that I've nuked hundreds of statues over the past year and a half and Never managed that (on the red eyes, the blue/green ones have less resist, of course), I find it pretty unlikely, but sure, anything's possible.

So sure, 1 nuke just got through on this flan in besieged. Incredibly unlikey, yes, but possible. The chance, however, that I somehow with some miracle beat the 80% dmg- nerf not once but Twice in a Row is just amusing. Considering that I have yet to read a Single post in any forum since the blm besieged nerf of a full damage nuke, and there've been hundreds of beseigeds since then with thousands of frustrated blms participating across all servers, that's a pretty low % chance, I'm going to guess at Best somewhere around .01%. That would mean that the chance of it happening Twice in a row is around .0001%, or 1 out of 100000 tries.

Ok fine. Is it unlikely that SE un-nerfed blms in some complicated way in besieged? Absolutely. That SE would put effort into this game in a way not consistent with just adding or subtracting some damage % modifier is pretty far-fetched. So go nuke some mobs at 100% in besieged, and let me know how you do. I will Happily STFU when you can prove to me that Some mobs are nukeable for full dmg when they first spawn, Or that you too can get some incredibly rare event to happen twice in a row.

[Thames]

I nuke full HP flans for shit in besieged too. I don't think they, or any mob, starts out ready to take full magic damage since the mighty blm nerf (not this update one that doesn't do anything, the besieged one)