Chocobo digging hit with a sledgehammer

[Fhqwghads]

For real, Nynja, GTFO and stop being a troll. You're whining about other people supposedly whining, and then trying to bolster your position with fucking retarded assumptions and stupid inferences on a topic you have proven to know nothing about. The only whiner I see in this thread is you. 'Nuff said.

Obviously people want to take every corner-case scenario and examine it under a microscope to see who's right: the crafters or the diggers. It's gotten to the point where people are saying "ZOMG you can get O.Ore anytime you want! STFU!" WRONG. As someone else pointed out, getting an O.Ore is very rare. It doesn't happen on a daily basis for fuck's sake. Where the hell did you come up with that? An O.Ore might be dropped in the loot table once every couple hours. Considering that everyone and their brother is out in Rolanberry trying to dig one up with their precious 100 items a day, the chances of someone getting it is slim at best.

I have dug ONE up since the change. Hell, even before that, I would dig up maybe one every 2 weeks. So in response to those saying digging gives you massive return on small investment, I say: no. It really doesn't. It was never incredibly profitable, and it's way less profitable at this point. It was steady gil, yes. If you really poured 4+ hours a day into it you could do alright. You wouldn't do any better than someone who was out farming, and you certainly couldn't do better than someone with a high level craft. It was just a different means of getting some medicore gil. Stop making it sound like it was some magical fountain of gil, because it wasn't.

Crafting gives you the opportunity to make gil when you want, and have a targetable item. Digging is completely random, and there's no control over what you dig. You can occasionally walk away with a decent item (O.Ore), or have a bad day where you dig up nothing but bone chips and pebbles.

[NynJa]

Crafting gives you the opportunity to make gil when you want, and have a targetable item. Digging is completely random, and there's no control over what you dig.

Spoken like the ignorant piece of shit you seem to be. You seem to think that you can make money however you want and whenever you want, RISK FREE.

SO FUCKING WRONG



First, you need to wait for the proper moon phase, which occurs once every 80ish hours. Durring that moon phase, you need to get the day you want, which gives you a window of one hour every 80 hours, to make what you want.


While you are waiting for this 1 hour window to roll around, you need to gather up materials. Depending on what you are opting to make, this can cost you varying amounts of gil per synth (as low as maybe 10k per synth, up to a couple million gil per synth...compared to the fixed rate of 68 gil per dig). These materials also can take up a lot of precious inventory, all depending what you are making. Lets assume you're aiming for 12 attempt at a synth that requires four items, two of which are non stackable. That is 27 inventory slots taken up. Very plesant.

Now, your window of opportunity has rolled around and its go time. TIME TO MAKE EASY MONEY !!!!!!

You synthesized a -NQ-.
You synthesized a -NQ-.
Synthesis Failed. You lost the mateirals you were using
some expensive item was lost.
You synthesized a -NQ-.
You synthesized a -NQ-.
You synthesized a -NQ-.
You synthesized a -NQ-.
You synthesized a -NQ-.
Synthesis Failed. You lost the mateirals you were using
some expensive item was lost.
You synthesized a -NQ-.
You synthesized a -NQ-.
You synthesized a -NQ-.



Oops...well atleast crafters dont have to worry about their market being flooded because getting a craft to 100 is such an accomplishment. (Fact: at this present time, there are
3 SH+1's on sale
5 Mahatama Slops on sale
2 Demon's Helm+1 on sale
I dunno what other illustrious HQ pieces to look for)

And, heres the kicker. If you happen to make that illustrous tier0 HQ happen, you will have to travel to hell and back JUST to find someone stupid enough to spend 50mil +++ (this is to compensate on the gil you lost, as well as making some profit on the rarity) to add .1% on the parser.


In case you forgot, with the exception of cooking, diggers dont exactly have to worry about the expensive items they dug up getting returned. HELLO CONSUMABLES. Once they are used, they are gone forever and will constantly need to be restocked. With all other crafts, when someone buys those Mahtama Slops, they are STILL there, and that person who bought them can resell them if they choose to.

[Daahan]

Unless you're JP, of course.

[Viq]

So in response to those saying digging gives you massive return on small investment, I say: no. It really doesn't. It was never incredibly profitable, and it's way less profitable at this point. It was steady gil, yes. If you really poured 4+ hours a day into it you could do alright. You wouldn't do any better than someone who was out farming, and you certainly couldn't do better than someone with a high level craft.

How on earth can you say digging was never incredibly profitable? If I spend 20 minutes of my time and 8k gil on greens and then walk away with 200k in items (pretty attainable, as in I've gotten it everyday since the patch) that's such a ridiculous profit margin. What's even better is that it's no-risk. You didn't do well today? Bummer, only wasted 20 minutes and 8k gil.

Also

The only whiner I see in this thread is you. 'Nuff said.

Chocobo digging is effectively worthless at this point. I really love all the time I spent for the past 6 months or so to get to A20 digging (we're talking anywhere from 2-8 hours a day for the last 3 months, every day) only to see it turn into complete shit

Even if they add a chocobo you can raise that does something miraculous like extend digging time to 5-6 hours, I won't be that happy about it.

If it's not fixed I'm thinking of taking up quitting the game.

[Dank]

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[FFXIFlux]

It took me even longer than that doing leathercraft. For the middle grind all I had was a level 60-70 WHM to kill 10,000 tigers for skill up hides

Um, idea, in 14 months you could have leveled RDM to 75 and killed 10,000 tigers, AND spent 12 months doing chocobo digging.

[aurik]

Farming for materials lol

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Farming for materials lol

Somebody told me that crafting is free if you farm the materials!

[Fhqwghads]

Spoken like the ignorant piece of shit you seem to be. You seem to think that you can make money however you want and whenever you want, RISK FREE.

Spoken like a dipshit who can't fucking read. Did I ever say anything about risk free? Please, read my post again and tell me where I typed that. Oh I didn't? Shut up.

How on earth can you say digging was never incredibly profitable? If I spend 20 minutes of my time and 8k gil on greens and then walk away with 200k in items (pretty attainable, as in I've gotten it everyday since the patch) that's such a ridiculous profit margin. What's even better is that it's no-risk. You didn't do well today? Bummer, only wasted 20 minutes and 8k gil.

Allow me to clarify: the profit margin is definitely large. Incredibly profitable? No. I have my sights set on expensive gear (and I'm sure I'm not the only one.) At 100K or so a day (you must be extremely lucky to consistently get 200K a day) that's not what I'd call "incredibly profitable" when the item you have your eyes on is 20M or more. I can just as easily markup distlled water at 250% and sell it on the AH for an insane profit margin. Does that mean I'm raking in the gil? Of course not.

When I mentioned Nynja being the only whiner, he is. He joined the thread to specifically bitch to the diggers who poured countless hours into their craft and were/are annoyed by the change. Nobody asked for his two-bit lopsided views on it. He's just here to stir shit up. The amusing thing is how he's subtly whining about his craft in a thread that has nothing to do with him or his craft.

People keep trying to place digging into a minimal investment/massive return activity. Yes, you can get lucky and get some ok items in a short time, but you can do the same thing with crafting, only crafting doesn't limit the number of synths you can do in a day (given enough gil, anyway.) Crafting and digging scale accordingly. More time to level digging, less investment, less return. Less time to level a craft, more investment, more return. At least that's how it used to be, before the change. Now digging is just something to kill 20-30 minutes, and not by choice, but because it's mandated by SE.

[Viq]

This just in: profit isn't what you make in relation to what you want. It's what you get back after covering the costs of what you did to make that money. Digging is incredibly profitable.

[Fhqwghads]

This just in: profit isn't what you make in relation to what you want. It's what you get back after covering the costs of what you did to make that money. Digging is incredibly profitable.

Fine, if you want to be anal retentive about it, it's unfuckingbelievably profitable. It's omg profitable. The heavens are rent asunder, thunder roars and lightning bolts shoot out of the sky every time I dig up a chunk of iron ore in exchange for my 64 gil green (or whatever it costs.) The earth stops and the mountains shake. Volcanoes erupt. The sea boils and hail the size of basketballs cascade from the sheer amount of profit I make from digging. Everyone go dig, and do it now, because of the insane profit you get from it!

[dietvanillapepsi]

Yes, high lvl choco digging is profitable to varying degrees. Some days the profit is 10k and sometimes it is in the 6 or 7 figures. Like all nerfs, I will admit that we can survive it just like I survived having to run back and forth just to do decent damage when I play rng now.

But I still feel sorry for anyone who is just starting digging. It takes 100's and 1000's of stacks of greens just to gain one lvl. They say it takes about 10,000 stacks to get to A10 digging. If you can only do 20 stacks per day, it would take a person 500 days. When people are thinking about starting to dig, I tell them don't bother unless you plan on playing this game for another 2+ years so that you can reap the benefits of all that time and gil you put in at the start digging up insect wings and pebbles.


For the record, because some have questioned my ability to relate to crafting woes, I am currently 82 in GS with all other crafts at 60 or higher (including fishing which is 71.) I owe a lot of my crafting levels to choco digging. It is a great resource for materials and often faster than farming. With the items I can dig up on a regular basis, I am sure I could have gotten 100 in another craft a lot earlier than my current GS path.

My bitching is not so much for myself but for those who are starting out in digging or those who use digging to help them craft. I like competition and I like new players having a fair shake in achieving their goals with a reasonable amount of effort. This change does not seem to allow this.

[NynJa]

Yes, high lvl choco digging is profitable to varying degrees. Some days the profit is 10k and sometimes it is in the 6 or 7 figures. Like all nerfs, I will admit that we can survive it just like I survived having to run back and forth just to do decent damage when I play rng now.

How often to diggers LOSE gil ?
Whens the last time a digger said "shit, I just lost 10 million gil in 30 minutes, fucking hell" ?? I think it was sometime between never and never.

quit bitching.

[Fhqwghads]

NynJa go break some more expensive mats. Post pics too, so I can laugh. Preferably a cam shot of you sobbing over your losses, tissue in hand.

(I have to give NynJa some credit, he makes my work day go faster with all his absurd posts.)

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

NynJa go break some more expensive mats. Post pics too, so I can laugh. Preferably a cam shot of you sobbing over your losses, tissue in hand.

(I have to give NynJa some credit, he makes my work day go faster with all his absurd posts.)

He has a point. You are complaining about a nearly 0 risk 'craft' not making a ton of money.

[NynJa]

MY posts are absurd ??

Youre the one talking about how I have no merit because I dont know anything about digging, while you're rambing on how SE totally fucked you in the ass because your great method of money just got nerfed...

[Fhqwghads]

You are complaining about a nearly 0 risk 'craft' not making a ton of money.

Uhm, no I'm not. I'm irritated that digging was changed dramatically to the point where newer diggers will be up against almost insurmountable odds to level, and others who enjoyed digging at their leisure no longer have that option. When have I ever said I made a ton of money from digging? Why must some people continuously put words in my mouth.

Nynja how does you knowing jack shit about digging have anything to do with my annoyance with the changes? And again with the words being put in my mouth. I never said digging was a great method of making gil. I said it has the ability to make decent gil, there's nothing "great" about it. Do some of you even bother to read what I type before you reply? If you don't read what I wrote, then don't quote me as saying things I've never said. If you do read it, then get some glasses because you're seeing things that aren't there, or take some self-help courses to enhance your memory retention, because by the time you reply your memory must have gotten fuzzed over.

For the record, let me clarify which adjectives and phrases I have used in the past to describe the gil made from digging:

Mediocre
Decent
Ok items

Adjectives & phrases I have never used to describe digging:

Ton of money
Great method of money

[NynJa]

So, according to you, digging is a shitty form of making money, and is beyond retardation when it comes to skilling it up, correct ??

I guess you did it for the sheer enjoyment if typing /dig every 16 seconds.



Its pretty hard to argue with a fucking hypocrite.

[Correction]

So, according to you, digging is a shitty form of making money, and is beyond retardation when it comes to skilling it up, correct ??

I guess you did it for the sheer enjoyment if typing /dig every 16 seconds.



Its pretty hard to argue with a fucking hypocrite.

Don't you fish?

[NynJa]

So, according to you, digging is a shitty form of making money, and is beyond retardation when it comes to skilling it up, correct ??

I guess you did it for the sheer enjoyment if typing /dig every 16 seconds.



Its pretty hard to argue with a fucking hypocrite.

Don't you fish?

Quote me when I was bitching and moaning like this tool about fishing being nerfed please.